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I really hate them, i dont even like to touch em. What do you guys think about them? do u own one? do you think that everybody should own one? When do you think is proper to use one?
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I own a few...basically for recreational purposes.
Do I believe guns are evil? No...but some people are.
Ask yourself this: If it came to protecting yourself and/or your family, would you use a gun to do so? It wouldn't be my first resort...but if pressed by a situation so severe, that the use of deadly force by my hands was warranted...I would. Because believe me...if the shoe is on the other foot, and this person feels the same way about harming me or my loved ones (the use of deadly force), do you think they'd have second thoughts about using a gun? Probably not.
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....i own a gun a 9mm semi-auto, i like guns, and like shooting them, do i like what some people do with them, nope.
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I own a few...basically for recreational purposes.
Do I believe guns are evil? No...but some people are.
Ask yourself this: If it came to protecting yourself and/or your family, would you use a gun to do so? It wouldn't be my first resort...but if pressed by a situation so severe, that the use of deadly force by my hands was warranted...I would. Because believe me...if the shoe is on the other foot, and this person feels the same way about harming me or my loved ones (the use of deadly force), do you think they'd have second thoughts about using a gun? Probably not.
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I have to say I completely disagree with you.
I'm a firm believer in the death penalty, which is odd because I'm a liberal (or the closest thing to one). I believe that if a person commits a crime that is an offense in the eyes of man (basically, it's a question of cruelty), then yeah...this sick piece of work should get what's coming to him.
The reason for my holding onto this structure of ideas is simple: I hold justice , which is a primal instinct, higher in regards than the concept of law , which is a charade created by man to make himself feel more civilized than he actually may be.
An eye for an eye...tooth for a tooth.
When people confront me about how politically incorrect my views are on the subject, how uncivilized I am in my thoughts on it, I ask them one simple question:
"Say...for instance, oh... Hitler had somehow escaped during WW2...but he was finally caught and brought to trial. Do you think he deserved a comfy, Club Fed style federal penitentary (which in this day and age probably would have happened...seeing as how he would have been a political prisoner)....or, death? Are the deaths of millions of people worth one more?"
Wow...I'm starting to sound like Malcolm X, what with all the questions I'm asking people to ask of themselves.
Kill whitey! Kill whitey!
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I dont believe I have ever heard of guns actually saving someone live in a home...more often than not an accident occurs and kills an innocent.
That said, if you really want to have a gun to reassure yourself of safety, go ahead..I dont want one in my house but if you want one fine.
What I dont believe in are the likes of armor piercing bullets and other powerful weapons of that sort. You can protect your home with much lower caliber of guns just as easy with an M16. And why handguns? hand guns are just easy to hide for crimes.
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I love guns. I grew up around 'em. I never killed anyone with a gun nor have I ever threatened anyone with a gun. Guns can be destructive in the wrong hands. Guns should be kept away from criminals,crazy people,childern and morons. Responsible adults should allways be allowed to own a gun if they chose.
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I had a long argument on a messge board last year about this, against a bunch of soldiers and conservatives. I told them that they had no constitutional right to self-defence, only a constitutional right to bear arms against a tyrannous government. Therefore, they should give up their handguns (which would prove ineffective against a tyrannous government) and buy smart bombs, helicopter gunships, and tanks.
Half the guys were incredulous, and the other half academically agreed with me, but said they'd keep their handguns anyway.
I was causing trouble, of course, but I was trying to make a point.
I grew up in a country where no one has guns, and although there crime, obviously, it was a safe place.
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I don't need a gun to kill someone, and I don't need a gun to protect myself, so I don't need a gun.
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now everybody, is on the run.....
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i dont have a gun. i dont wanna gun.
but i dont think people should be kept from having them. y'want'em? go for it, i dont care.
i do think that it should be fuckin rediculously hard to get them tho. in most cases, its 10x easier to get a gun than it is to get a drivers' license.
things should be more enforced and more regulated.
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if we outlaw silly string only outlaws will have silly string......
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I dont believe I have ever heard of guns actually saving someone live in a home...more often than not an accident occurs and kills an innocent.
That said, if you really want to have a gun to reassure yourself of safety, go ahead..I dont want one in my house but if you want one fine.
What I dont believe in are the likes of armor piercing bullets and other powerful weapons of that sort. You can protect your home with much lower caliber of guns just as easy with an M16. And why handguns? hand guns are just easy to hide for crimes.
thats exacly what i think...and there are less lethal ways to defend urselves and ur family like self defense clases, pepper spray among other things. and i believe those who want a gun should be thoroughly investigated
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In Australia, total ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Rabbit hunters where pissed, but everyone else was happy.
This really is a cultural issue. Americans think of the War of Independence, which birthed their nation, as a struggle against tyranny. It was a seminal moment. The right to bear arms was there at the beginning. Its somethig non-Americans have a lot of trouble getting to grips with. If you own a gun in Australia (or Europe of Japan) you're either a farmer dealing with vermin, or you're a nut.
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what of silly string?
I guess the idea is to take the silly string from everyone. Which is a bit tricky when there is silly string saturation.
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i just like to shoot old refrigerators and cans.....
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I'm buying a cattle prod for home defence when I go back to Australia. That way I have to be in arms length of someone (as opposed to quite far away) when I zap them so I can work out if its just a drunk friend or an intruder: and it also means I won't kill the person (problematic if its a friend)
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....friends get really upset at that.....
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I dont believe I have ever heard of guns actually saving someone live in a home...more often than not an accident occurs and kills an innocent.
Bear in mind, Franta, that the only reason you've never heard of such a story is because the media is only interested in gun-related deaths of innocents. Being raised a suburban Hoosier, I've turned on a local news program to see a few stories of people protecting their homes with guns, but many more of children who were too stupid or uneducated by their neglectful parents to know that guns aren't toys. And that's all the media wants you to know. Forget the positives and focus on the negatives. Like Don Henley said: "People love it when you lose. They love dirty laundry..."
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And why handguns? hand guns are just easy to hide for crimes.
That's why I have a hand cannon, a Desert Eagle .357 automatic. Most people piss themselves when they just see the sight of it.
And trust me...I'd need a fucking duffel bag almost to conceal the damn thing.
I also have a Chinese model AK-47, purchased by my father (don't ask), which I figured out the "file down the firing pin= fully automatic" trick with...but I realize this is a weapon with only one purpose in it's design...to kill people.
That's why I keep it field stripped at my mother's house...I only break it out and assemble it at firing ranges, just for kicks.
Like I said, recreational purposes...although I could knock off a bank, probably.
But (like I said...my thoughts on these subjects are goofy)....I don't hunt with a gun. My father and step-father are both one of those "hunting and fishing" guys, and it irks them to no end that I won't hunt with them, because I bow hunt.
I tell them that any idiot can go out into the woods with a rifle and pick of woodland creatures from a distance...me, I find it more challenging and satisfying to actually hunt and stalk whatever I plan on bringing back home to eat (I don't believe in trophy hunting). Plus, ya don't see any deer out there running around with high powered rifles so's they can shoot back. With a bow (I have 2 Bear Whitetail II compounds) and/or crossbow (I have a Foxfire), it evens the odds a little. Plus...I read way too many Green Arrow comic books as a kid, and saw "The Adventures of Robin Hood" with Errol Flynn once too much...
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I actually like the idea of bow hunting, not for anything really to do with gun safety although that is also an issue, but because it seems not quite as destructive as firearms hunting and as you say more skilful.
HK, isn't your Desert Eagle .357 also designed for killing people, like the AK-47?
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HK, isn't your Desert Eagle .357 also designed for killing people, like the AK-47?
Yeah...ain't it great.
Note the sarcasm in my tone...I'm a natural born smart-ass, I tells ya.
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I guess what you're saying is that an AK is for killing a lot of people at the same time, whereas a handgun is for killing one person at a time.
Its good you have the AK field-stripped though.
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Both guns are for recreational use (target shooting) only, but if it came down to home defense, god forbid...yeah. I'd use it.
Like I said in another post...justice. I have probably the biggest contempt for the law and it's designated officers of any person I know.
There's two things I think should be a requirement to join any police academy these days:
Integrity and Decency.
Two traits sorely lacking from the majority of the law enforcement I've ever had to deal with.
My opinion may be biased, though...I've been on the bad end of the stick before...nothing serious, just county time unlawfully imprisoned, but still a black mark on my record that shouldn't even be there, if not for the carelessness of certain officials. Do they have the power to give me that time back? No. did I even get an apology? No. I didn't even get an arrainment, after 10 days in the pokey. the jailer just came up one morning, said, "Get yer shit. Yer leaving.", and tossed out on the street.
I won't even begin ranting on that...e-mail me for details about the sorid affair if yer interested. Rob doesn't have the webspace here for my hate. Hell...most servers don't, because my disdain run cold and deep.
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Different topic different thread, but isn't the fact you had a problem with the authorities enough to convince you that capital punishment is a bad thing?
And are you saying one of the reasons you have a gun is because you don't trust cops to do their job properly?
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Nice topic.
Someone somewhere said "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." I do know a lady who killed an intruder who intended to beat her ass good. I also know a cop who, when pulling over a speeding driver with tinted windows, was shot at from behind the tinted glass. The guy was high and drunk.
I agree with Rob in that in should be CRAZY to get one. Hell, easier to get a gun than a driver's permit? It's easier to get a gun than to go to the pound and adopt a dog, and less expensive depending on who you know.
I'm very liberal and I don't like anyone telling me I can't do or have anything. I have a fork, should that have a permit? I can kill you with it. But I can't get you with it from behind tinted glass, either.
I'm not sure I understand the system now. They do a background check, right? What difference does that make? Because I don't have a record NOW doesn't mean I won't go in and buy a gun to point at that wife that cheated on me or something...
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And are you saying one of the reasons you have a gun is because you don't trust cops to do their job properly?
Exact-amundo!
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This really is a cultural issue. Americans think of the War of Independence, which birthed their nation, as a struggle against tyranny. It was a seminal moment. The right to bear arms was there at the beginning. Its somethig non-Americans have a lot of trouble getting to grips with. If you own a gun in Australia (or Europe of Japan) you're either a farmer dealing with vermin, or you're a nut.
Actually its really the NRA "claiming" that to be the rationale. Actually its the gun manufacturers who perpetuate that belief. As you said Dave if you really wanna fight the tyranical government you'll need more than a handgun!
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I actually like the idea of bow hunting, not for anything really to do with gun safety although that is also an issue, but because it seems not quite as destructive as firearms hunting and as you say more skilful.
I agree, while I see no real reason fo hunting when I can just go to the grocery store for my meals. But hey if you feel a need to get in touch with your primal side be my guest. But to use a gun to shot an unarmed animal....seems kinda like ovekill to me.... bows seem a bit more sportsman like.
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I dont believe I have ever heard of guns actually saving someone live in a home...more often than not an accident occurs and kills an innocent.
Bear in mind, Franta, that the only reason you've never heard of such a story is because the media is only interested in gun-related deaths of innocents. Being raised a suburban Hoosier, I've turned on a local news program to see a few stories of people protecting their homes with guns, but many more of children who were too stupid or uneducated by their neglectful parents to know that guns aren't toys. And that's all the media wants you to know. Forget the positives and focus on the negatives. Like Don Henley said: "People love it when you lose. They love dirty laundry..."
Granted the media are biased but I also base this on friends I know in law enforcement and the calls they've had to respond to!
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HKC email the details....Ive heard some but I dont think all.
Ive had a nasty run in with the law think Ive shared here...and will again if you want....
See the thing is alot of cops do come in with the Integrity and whatnot....but the job is a frustrating one...for many reasons....but like Dave says thats another topic.....
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I'm beginning to sound like I'm starting a militia here in Ohio, but really...it all boils down to this:
I own guns. Not to kill people, but for recreational purposes, i.e., target shooting.
Think of the reason for my owning guns as something similiar to the reasons people enjoy playing the classic Nintendo game "Duckhunt"...only my media for expression of said enjoyment is live-action.
If it came down to protecting my family or myself by using a firearm...I'd do it.
I enjoy hunting...but only for purposes of consumpsion. I don't hunt what I won't eat, and I don't do it for trophies. I use a bow because it makes it seem more sportsmanlike in my eyes...plus it takes a level of skill, preparation, and stealth to pull it off. If that's how I get my jollies, then so be it. at least I'm not on a clock tower somewhere takin' potshots at passersby.
My intentions may not be noble in some eyes, but I believe I'm in the right, and as long as I'm not harming anyone (including myself), then that should be the end of the story.
There...I've said my piece.
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HKC hopefully I havent offended you...
I believe you to be a {semi) rational guy and can actually be responsible for guns.
I just alot of other folks who have it and just cant deal with it!
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HKC hopefully I havent offended you...
I believe you to be a {semi) rational guy and can actually be responsible for guns.
I just alot of other folks who have it and just cant deal with it!
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Oh...no offense taken. I never implied that I had been offended, hopefully. I just felt the need to close my views on the subject, because I could rant in circles about this topic.
Just wanted to have my final word and walk away.
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Back away! I have a gun...and I know how to use it!
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