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Las Vegas firm charges men up to $10,000 to stalk ‘prey’ with paintball guns

By Mike Brunker
MSNBC
July 16 — A paintball manufacturer and advocates for women are expressing outrage that a Las Vegas company claims to be charging men up to $10,000 to use the non-lethal but dangerous weapons to shoot naked women racing through the sagebrush. But a creator of the “Hunting for Bambi” game on Wednesday defended the enterprise as good, clean fun for “guys who thought they had done everything.”

WORD OF THE company’s activities first surfaced last week, when a Las Vegas television station aired a report featuring footage from what it identified as one of the hunts and interviewed both a hunter and his prey, who admitted that she cried after being hit in the posterior by one of the paint-loaded pellets.

The KLAS-TV report attracted little attention until Tuesday, when paintball equipment manufacturer Brass Eagle Inc. issued a press release denouncing the concept and calling on local officials to investigate whether the hunts endanger the women’s health and welfare.
“We condemn this irresponsible activity and do not endorse or condone the use of paintball products for such activities,” said Lynn Scott, president of the Bentonville, Ark., firm.

Questions were being raised about the veracity of the company’s claims. Snopes.com, which researches so-called urban legends, noted that the huntingforbambi.com Web site lacks proper contact information and stated that some readers who sent e-mail expressing interest in booking a hunt received no reply to their inquiries.

But David Krekelberg, who responded to an e-mail inquiry from MSNBC.com early Wednesday and said he was a spokesman for the company, insisted the enterprise is real. He also said that he and the company’s “master hunter,” Michael Burdick, have taken steps to address safety concerns.

“At first we just told our hunters ‘Don’t shoot them in the head,’” he said. “Now the hunters are prohibited from raising the gun barrel above the waist level and if he does, it’s game over and there are no refunds.” ekelberg also said that the guns were modified to reduce the velocity of the paint-pellet guns, which can have a muzzle velocity of up to 200 mph, and that the women are now given the option of wearing goggles and helmets in addition to shoes. Krekelberg said the year-old company, which originally was formed to market a hunting spoof videotape, has so far conducted about 20 of the “hunts,” most of them in the desert outside Las Vegas.

“It’s basically like a game show,” he said. “There’s a whistle, and maybe 20 minutes to an hour later, we have a girl with a big red welt on her butt, or maybe none.”

In addition to the thrill of the chase and the “kill,” the hunter gets a videotape of the hunt captured by a three-camera team, he said.
Krekelberg said the women — most of whom are showgirls — are paid inversely to the pain they experience — $1,000 if they get shot and $2,500 if they don’t — to give them added incentive to elude their armed pursuers.

But the deck is clearly stacked in favor of the hunter — only two of the 20 or so have gone home without hitting a target, Krekelberg said. “They weren’t unhappy,” he said. “They still had a great time and met some beautiful women.”

The KLAS piece on the hunts that aired last week included criticism from clinical psychologist Marv Glovinsky, who told the station that the game could be dangerous for men who can not distinguish fantasy from reality and could lead them to act out violence against women.

“If you’re blurring reality and fantasy and you can’t make the distinction, and your emotions overpower your intellect or your higher mental function, you’re going to get into trouble,” he told the station. “And if you have control problems to boot, that’s really going to cause problems.”

Krekelberg said the company goes to great lengths to ensure that participants don’t have psychological problems by subjecting them to lengthy interviews.

“These are just fun guys who thought they had done everything, ridden everything and hunted everything,” he said of the company’s customers. “They come to Vegas to play golf and hang out in the nightclubs and suddenly they find out there is this other option out there.” Krekelberg said that the TV piece also unleashed a torrent of criticism that he and his colleagues are degrading women, a charge he vigorously denied despite the inclusion on the company’s Web site of photos of nude women “mounted” on walls much as a deer would be after being killed.

“The women who think this is abusivend degrading need to put their attention where it should be, and I think that’s Afghanistan,” said Krekelberg. “We love our girls. Why do you think we pay them so much? There are desperate people in this town who could be taken advantage of. We choose not to do that.”

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Originally posted by Batwoman:

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“The women who think this is abusivend degrading need to put their attention where it should be, and I think that’s Afghanistan,” said Krekelberg. “We love our girls. Why do you think we pay them so much? There are desperate people in this town who could be taken advantage of. We choose not to do that.”

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Originally posted by Batwoman:
So what you're saying is, because their getting paid to run around nakid and get shot at it's ok. It's not degrading to women or anything like that. Just like porn and crap like playboy isn't degrading to women. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

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Originally posted by Batwoman:
So what you're saying is, because their getting paid to run around nakid and get shot at it's ok. It's not degrading to women or anything like that. Just like porn and crap like playboy isn't degrading to women. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

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Originally posted by Jack Mehoff:
I certainly don't think that it's degrading to women. The ones the aren't willing to do it don't have to and the ones who do want to make any easy grand can. And how is porn and other things only degrading to women? You do know their not the only ones doing it right? Men are in porn and men pose for those kinds of magazines too. And I don't find that offensive or degrading in the least because I'm not the one doing it. It's their choice to do what they want.

Although I also don't agree with it. I think it is stupid, pointless, and a waste of all that money. Like Franta said I wouldn't waste any of my cash on something as stupid as that.

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Originally posted by MisterJLA:
Going with THE Franta's thoughts...

I've been to a few strip clubs on a few occasions (before someone chimes in, they were clubs with women dancing, not men :) ) and *believe me*, those girls were not being degraded...every single girl working there, had more common sense then any of the men attending the club. They had the hustle down to a science, and played just about every guy there like a fiddle. Whether the strippers were talking some chump into buying eight dollars shots, $20.00 T-Shirts, air dances, etc, the girls were more or less degrading the guys, by treating them like absolute morons. Personally, I always went to have some girl dry hump me for a few songs, but that's neither here nor there...

As far Playmates and porn stars go, I imagine it is the same thing. Just look at Hefner's "harem" of golddiggers. The instant that guy drops dead, they'll be collecting for services rendered...trust me.

Same thing with this story. The male customers may think that they are getting the best of the women, but the women will be laughing all the way to the bank...$10,000?!? Who is really degrading who here?

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Originally posted by Batwoman:
That's because men have never had to prove themselves in insert profession of choice.

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Originally posted by THE Franta:
So these women are FORCED to do this?
I mean they have a choice don't they?
Hell I'd take a welt on my ass for $1000 dollars.

And I do see the torture inflicted onto women in other cultures under the pretense of religion to be worse. Hell I think the fact that women are forced to cover their faces under the P.C. pretense of freedom of religion to be alot worse than a few chicks running around naked and getting shot with paint guns of THEIR OWN FREE WILL! Not as a result of an abusive father, brother or spouse forcing them into subjigation under the fallacy of doing it for Allah.

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Originally posted by I'm Not Mister Mxypltk:
I, for one, would like to see the bright side of things: at least these women aren't in the sex market for money! Getting shot by paint rifle is an honest way of making a living. As far as I know, you can't get STDs from getting shot with a paintball.

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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
Part of the reason there is a glass ceiling is because of many reasons..some of which I'll list.
1) Men are pigs and sexist..blah, blah, blah..sometimes true.

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2) Women usually never dress professionally..I've worked in 3 different fields where I had to wear a shirt and tie, and/or suit everyday, and the women who worked at higher, equal and lower positions mostly wore glorified t-shirts and all sorts of inappropriate clothing.

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3) A large portion of women at said companies/workplaces were always whining and complaining about the most mundane things.And spend way more time making personal phone calls on worktime.

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4) Women are always taking time off work to stay at home with their kids. Sad fact, but true. women miss waaaaaaaaayyyy more work than men.

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5) Women have the disadvantage of becoming pregnant possibly. If you are in an important position becoming pregnant is a severe hardship to the work environment where you are needed. This is why in most cases middle-aged and older women are the ones to get promotions, even if a younger woman is more qualified.

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6) Men are usually more willing and more capable of putting in extra hours at work.

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Granted many of the traditional roles are changing nowadays..more women are making more money. Many Men are now staying home. There are more options out there. There are more Companies willing to work with family medical leave , etc. But mostly because they have to. As the typical nuclear family has changed to meet the goals and needs of Feminism women have found new options and more available choices. But as women got more freedom they also became a bigger liability. With the destruction of the typical nuclear family also came.......more single Mothers. Companies will hire single Mothers, but they are a pain in the rear from an employers POV. More missed days, more flexibility needed, more out of work problems that carry over into work. It's a fact. It's hard to promote someone with those possible circumstances as baggage.

Women with degrees are more likely to postpone motherhood, more likely to to view their job as important as their family life, etc. But those stigmas attached to female workers are real to an employer.

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Originally posted by Pig Iron:

Feminism is an ideal. It's unrealistic. Because Women are women and men are men. Thank evolution and/or god.

And there is no difference between women having sex freely and women getting paid to hav esex freely. There is no difference in women wearing next to nothing in public and women getting paid to wear next to nothing. Except that some women get paid for it. respect their ingenuity, because perception is the only thing that make sit different..because the intent is still there.

Perception..woman wearing a small 2 piece bikini on the beach...Ok....
Woman wearing a bra and panties..only for private.

That's strictly perception, as only the see through kind allow you any more view of the same body parts.

From a religious standpoint most women do degrading things on a daily basis. Atleast some women are clever enough to get paid for it....

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Originally posted by Batwoman:

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[QUOTE] 2) Women usually never dress professionally..I've worked in 3 different fields where I had to wear a shirt and tie, and/or suit everyday, and the women who worked at higher, equal and lower positions mostly wore glorified t-shirts and all sorts of inappropriate clothing.

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Don't even go there. The only women I have seen that don't dress professionally are teenagers and college students. Because they don't know you're suposed to dress professionally for work. Believe me, I've been working for 15 years now and spent 6 years in retail, 8 in coporate america and 1 in a bakery. All in all, the only time I didn't dress biz casual or corporate, was when I worked at a dotcom, and the bakery. Every job I've had required me to dress a certain way and my sister drilled into me that you dress up for an interview. Even when you go apply for a retail job.

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Originally posted by Batwoman:

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4) Women are always taking time off work to stay at home with their kids. Sad fact, but true. women miss waaaaaaaaayyyy more work than men.

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That's because men are too selfish and think their job is more important than their own children. I've seen this with my own eyes. If men were to take responsibility, then women would look 'more reliable' then they do now. But then agin, I don't know any working woman who has children miss work as much as your insinuating Pig Iron. You make it seem like all women do is take off work, when that's not true.

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Originally posted by Batwoman:
Of course you and all the other guys that think this will say it's not degrading. After all, your men and any chance you have of watching a woman undress, or spread 'em, or run around nakid you wont complain. You call it "entertainment".

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Originally posted by Batwoman:
STOP FLAMING ME BECAUSE YOURE A BUNCH OF PIGS THAT CAN'T ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE REASON I STARTED THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WOMEN WHO RUN AROUND NAKID AND ARE HUNTED LIKE ANIMALS BY MEN. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE GETTING PAID FOR IT, THAT IS NOT RIGHT!!!

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Originally posted by Batwoman:
THERE ARE MEN ON THAT HAVE POSTED ON HERE THAT AGREE WITH ME. GO FLAME THEM.

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