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I would love to see a B-Team/C-Men one-shot!
...but that's just me...
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I would love to see a ... C-Men one-shot!
That's just gross.
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Yeah, Doc -- what I meant was that I enjoyed the interaction between the B-Team and the C-Men, something I don't think I could write as I don't have a good handle on the characterizations of the B-Teamers.
The whole jealousy angle with Otto and the C-Men which began in the first C-Men post is a kind of running joke due to their misunderstanding of what the B-Team is (which was itself a parody of Mxy's and my original misunderstanding of the B-Team back when you and Grimm first intro'd them). While I'd probably have liked to have seen that angle played up a bit more in the future, I think it was humourously resolved in your post.
Also, I don't anticipate the C-Men ever being part of Vanguard International proper, despite their being used in issue #14 like a wad of kleenex (ew!) and in your latest Christmas Special post. They're really meant to be a "C"-grade super-hero wannabe team with genuine metahumans as members who just happen to be very strange and sometimes incompetant. It's why I had them find an old tool shack in the alleyway out back from the Vanguard Complex rather than actually becoming residents or signing on as "reservists" or something. They really lived in a more skewed version of reality than Vanguard or even the B-Team would. And ultimately the C-Team is just something fun to write for Mxy and myself (and anyone else who wants to use 'em) whenever we find the time. The C-Team is my "humour fix" for the Hero Headquarters, really. And although I may use Dr. Huerta some time in the future in his role as Vanguard's psychologist, I probably won't try my hand at the B-Team for the reasons stated above.
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The whole jealousy angle with Otto and the C-Men which began in the first C-Men post is a kind of running joke due to their misunderstanding of what the B-Team is (which was itself a parody of Mxy's and my original misunderstanding of the B-Team back when you and Grimm first intro'd them). While I'd probably have liked to have seen that angle played up a bit more in the future, I think it was humourously resolved in your post.
Is it, TTT? Is it?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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I don't know, Doc. I don't know. And that scares me. 
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:..In my best Anthoney Ainley voice..:
"Ahhh, my dear Doctor....your boredom has barely BEGUN!! MUWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!" 
As for Ozzy and Adem, I misunderstood the intent of your post. However, thanks to that misunderstanding, it inspired me to write the bar scene with Baxter and Huerta (something I really enjoyed doing). And, as the narrative flows, I can see where this will only drive Ozzy and Adem's connection closer. Should be fun, actually. 
BTW, good stuff with the C-Men/B-Team! It's the classic JLA/JSA team-ups all over again....
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Excellent, Chewy! I'm glad you've come to understand The Order. And, quite frankly, please feel free at any point to write a Turkish scene anywhere you want to. I'd love to see your interpretation.
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EURO: Okay, I understand what you are saying better now. However, I guess I never made my intentions clear about The Order's connection to Vanguard. See, Issue #14 was special. Unique. Unless properly involved in the plot (which is something decided by you guys), The Order should never, ever appear with/team-up/help Vanguard. As I showed when Turkish was removed from the MBL, and, Turkish's regret in having to involve the MBL and TOMB (in H&L) in their affairs, The Order does not, generally, involve themselves in the normal affairs of humans, and Earth. Thus, it was always my intention that they wouldn't be available to use to "bail" Vanguard out of trouble (again, unless requested by other writers).
As for my constant comparison of Turkish to Lei-Mu Bai, well, that was the inspiration for the character in the first place. However, and I thought by also comparing him to a Jedi Knight from STAR WARS, that I was clear in that I am only basing the framework of Turkish off these other concepts. Not limit his power level strictly to these concepts.
And, don't forget, as Doc pointed out, nature CAN say "No", you know...
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I will interpret the lack of response to my post as meaning nobody has any objections to anything in there. The alternative explanation would be that nobody cares - an unacceptable outcome. 
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What? Oh, sorry. I was counting all the "Un" titles you use for Phil Smith: Unidentified...Unknown...Unimaginable...Unmortal... 
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Watch your spelling. 'Unknown' and 'Unimaginable' you just pulled out of your ass. But seriously, I hope that's not too irritating of a character aspect to reveal. Phil's not invincible - just not affected by time, that's all.
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Watch your writing....
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'Unknown' and 'Unimaginable' you just pulled out of your ass.
Did I, Milhouse....
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Quantos sighed. "There's no natural explanation for it, but however your genetic structure was altered, the result is completely unimaginable to known science.
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But seriously, I hope that's not too irritating of a character aspect to reveal. Phil's not invincible....
Don't you mean Unvincible? 
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...just not affected by time, that's all.
No, seriously, I'm totally following what you are doing with Phil Smith. And, I noticed where you strategically added that Phil would not die of "natural causes". So, I completely understood what kind of power level you are getting at with the character.
I just like yanking your chain....
And, gobdammit, rip that fucking band-aid off your mouth before it drives me completely mad!!
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Turkish could prolly kill him by telling his brain to stop functioning...  
If by "telling his brain to stop functioning" you mean "increasing the atmospheric pressure in his cranial arteries, therebye sealing off the blood flow to his brain", or, "redirecting the neurological flow of his synaptic patterns, causing the bio-signature channels to backfire upon themselves"....then....yes, he could.
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And, gobdammit, rip that fucking band-aid off your mouth before it drives me completely mad!!
You too, eh?
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What? Oh, sorry. I was counting all the "Un" titles you use for Phil Smith: Unidentified...Unknown...Unimaginable...Unmortal...
Unbreakable?
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Now you have me hooked!
Nature can also ask something in return, as in #8, was it? Supposing nature asked something in return that Turkish and co. weren't willing to give. . .
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Wars have been started over land, women, and which side to butter toast. It’s true. I read it in a book.
I love the Butter Battle Book!
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No, seriously, I'm totally following what you are doing with Phil Smith. And, I noticed where you strategically added that Phil would not die of "natural causes". So, I completely understood what kind of power level you are getting at with the character.
I figured most of you would understand it. We're dealing with professionals in here, after all.
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For the creation of the new Strikeforce 2, I would like to have help from everyone. I would create a fake of the original JLA, so we would need seven Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green lantern, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman kind of characters.
They have to be from different countries (three MUST be from USA, Russia and China), and be wicked and devious. They could be totally new or be characters seen before.
I would really have Amock in the role of Flash, but obviously that's up to Grimm.
They will be based in the old Task-force base in the Sahara, because, with the destruction of the Nibiru, I guess there are no available spaceships in orbit around Earth, and the space-lab would be too uncomfortable for them.
You can propose just one character or a whole list, and then we will choose the best ones.
But, remember, they should be ALL expendable.
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I'd let you use Amuck, but I wanna keep him around a little bit longer. I'm not ready for him to be expendable just yet. I do like the idea of a JLA-esque team for Strikeforce 2, though. Should be interesting.
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Euro, I did like your post, the way you tied in so much stuff that the team had gone through in their short history and even working in the evil MBL bits (though, in my opinion, it would have worked better as an epilogue, but hey. . .), I have a small question. How did the citizens of Puerta Mibela that were at the parade see the news report? 
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No, the ones in the parade didn't see the news. It was the ones in their home to see it, and "a few of them", like I wrote, more or less, began to throw the rotten vegetable. In fact, I guess, the ones that were not going to the parade were the "meta-haters" and so they were more than ready to bash the parade.
I have though a lot about making it an epilogue of the story, but I would like to see the "aftermath" played not just by myself, but by all. I think a lot of La Perdita will have to say something, contrary or in favour of Vanguard. After all, they, alone in the world, can tell that the facts, as presented by Merlin, are at the least cronologically inaccurate.
I expect Maddox doing something bad, Kit helping a lot in the situation, and the people that were helped by the Vanguardians in the Hurricane showing their support. Plus the metas that saved the ass of Earth I think will have something to say, even if only in the small Universe of the lsland.
I can cover it all by myself, if no one is interested, but I think there is good material to add to a Christmast story.
About the Strikeforce, I said they are to be expendable, but that's not a dictat. If the characters we can come up are good, as Amock is, there would be no reason to kill them off.
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What? Oh, sorry. I was counting all the "Un" titles you use for Phil Smith: Unidentified...Unknown...Unimaginable...Unmortal...
Unbreakable?
Heh! All this time I thought Phil was the Un-Cola.
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I might be interested in creating a character or two for this new Strikeforce. What's the deadline for working these characters up? And, is there a particular reason they are being based off the original JLA, or, is this just more of a guideline? Can we base them off something besides the 'Big 7' as well? Just questions.
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EURO: Excellent post, my good man! Expertly executed, and a nice collective 'flashback' for the stories. Great job! GRIMM: Laker tickets.... Good stuff. And, like how you "paused" the relationship between Rowena and Grimm. Of course, you know that the relationships between Life and Death, while always there, are different for each individual set of avatars. Grimm and Rowena will always be connected, but, it doesn't have to be romantically. I really thought of their connection being more of a brother/sister bond, anyway.
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"Naturally caffeine-free? Who knew?"
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But, remember, they should be ALL expendable.
So there'll be a body count in the near future? >:)
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Just caught up with the story. Very good work.
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I can make the WW-ish Strikeforce 2 member. I'll even draw a picture and scan it as soon as I order a new power cord for the scanner.
"You're either lying or stupid."
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No, the ones in the parade didn't see the news. It was the ones in their home to see it, and "a few of them", like I wrote, more or less, began to throw the rotten vegetable. In fact, I guess, the ones that were not going to the parade were the "meta-haters" and so they were more than ready to bash the parade.
I have though a lot about making it an epilogue of the story, but I would like to see the "aftermath" played not just by myself, but by all. I think a lot of La Perdita will have to say something, contrary or in favour of Vanguard. After all, they, alone in the world, can tell that the facts, as presented by Merlin, are at the least cronologically inaccurate.
I expect Maddox doing something bad, Kit helping a lot in the situation, and the people that were helped by the Vanguardians in the Hurricane showing their support. Plus the metas that saved the ass of Earth I think will have something to say, even if only in the small Universe of the lsland.
I can cover it all by myself, if no one is interested, but I think there is good material to add to a Christmast story.
About the Strikeforce, I said they are to be expendable, but that's not a dictat. If the characters we can come up are good, as Amock is, there would be no reason to kill them off.
Ah, okay, gotcha. Yeah, it could be an interesting subtext to the main story.
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EURO: Excellent post, my good man! Expertly executed, and a nice collective 'flashback' for the stories. Great job!
GRIMM: Laker tickets.... Good stuff. And, like how you "paused" the relationship between Rowena and Grimm. Of course, you know that the relationships between Life and Death, while always there, are different for each individual set of avatars. Grimm and Rowena will always be connected, but, it doesn't have to be romantically. I really thought of their connection being more of a brother/sister bond, anyway.
Yeah, "on hold" while I deal with stuff I set up. . .damn near a year ago. After I finish that stuff, though, I see the avatar relationship capable of going anywhere, really.
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I have two German characters modeled after both Superman and Punisher, respectively, but I'm not sure I wanna use the Punisher one (as I'd like to maybe use him in a FRINGE story) and the Superman character is a bit under-developed. Still, I'd like to help contribute to Strikeforce 2 in some small way, at least...
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If we wanna do the JLA homage Strikeforce thing, I got dibs on Green Lantern. Biznotches.
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I'm developing the German Superman idea a bit more, so I think I'll proceed with that, if it's alright with everyone else...
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I am very happy that everybody seems interested in the Strikeforce 2.
Yes to the ones that called dibs on characters.
Sammitch, yes, there will be a carnage, but, Pro, the one to know when it will happen is Grimm, not me. So, I can't really tell when the Strikeforce 2 will have to be ready for the use. Merlin said one month in his speech, so the beginning of February could be a rough date for when the Strikeforce should be ready. In fact, time wise, at that date maybe just a few of those characters could be there, as others could be still "in training" and not ready to enter action.
As for why the JLA, yes, it's just a guideline. Next time could be the Avengers or X-Men or Teen Titans.
In any case, that doesn't mean they will be killed all, some could be just badly injured, but recoverable for much later use.
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Euro: Sammitch, yes, there will be a carnage, but, Pro, the one to know when it will happen is Grimm, not me. So, I can't really tell when the Strikeforce 2 will have to be ready for the use.
Ok, now are you referring to the thing we discussed not long ago? If so, there's no set date for that, it'll just be an upcoming story whenever there's a free issue. Hopefully not too long though.
Re: Danny's posts in the Christmas issue. How bout we say they happened before Grimm left the island?
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Ahh, Danny. Good to see you again. Laughed out loud at some of the lines in your posts (i.e. solo-story comment, and, really, the 'They both laughed. And then they stopped, and there was silence.'{paraphrased} I'm not sure if you meant that to be funny, but, it came off like an Adam's line. Hilarious! ). As for the leadership-thing that you brought up in your post, I don't see why Danny can't be leader, retaining Grimm as field leader, and Phil as field intelligence-op. And, while I'm thinking about it, why is it that Vanguard always goes into a mission as a whole unit? Why not send Grissom (back in the day, of course), or Phil out first for intelligence gathering and recon? I think of all the characters presented in the team so far, Phil remains a key specimen of potential when it comes to having an undercover-op. The whole 'unknown' factor of him, plus his telepathy, means that Phil can look like anyone he wanted to, and, thus, go undercover so much easier. Adem, with his nanites, could also be used for intelligence gathering, or, detective work. Just some random thoughts, mind you.
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I think Danny should be the team leader, really, since the leadership thing involves being a good representative of the team for the public, and Grimm -- while I love the character and think he's a great leader on the battlefield -- is just too 'camera-shy' and lacks the diplomacy skills necessary to get Vanguard "out of the doghouse" in the public's eye. What Vanguard International really needs right now is to clean up its public image, and I think Danny is now the only man on the team capable of doing that. I do think that he needs to eventually resolve his differences with Miss X, though, if things are ever going to work... This story could be a good time to do that.
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And, while I'm thinking about it, why is it that Vanguard always goes into a mission as a whole unit?
In issue 11 a smaller team was sent to Florence to gather informations BEFORE jumping into mission, and then they split into three different subteams.
In issue 12 the team split into three subteams to accomplish the mission, and a fourth team was doing intelligence work to find if the main mission was a trap, more or less.
In issue 13 most of the team was "emplyoed" by the EPS, but a smaller subteam went on a secondary mission.
I think that the problem is that the stories last so long that we have not time to "play" many "job" missions.
In fact, since the creation of the MBL in La Perdita, the mission were few: the rescue of Rose Biggle (#6), the mission in Uruguay (#7), the recovering of the lost book (#11), the virus mission (#12), the EPS mission and the cauldron mission (#13). I don't know if issue 14 could be counted, being the help to D'Goon not really an employement.
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