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Sammitch: That's the kind of post we've been wanting to see out of you. Phil interacting with his teammates and not just being "UberPhil."  Good job.
 Awwww shucks. I figured it was about time I tied all this randomness into the big picture. 'Sides, I'm just about ready for a mission - I better get into the habit of writing good interactions sooner or later.
Euro: Nice picture. I just might crank out something new in the near future myself.
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Just, ah, one little thing: Grimm's not bald. 
But Priest is! Bald and has a beard. But really great stuff man. I likey.
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Grimm, Phil, Gooz, thanks.
Grimm: his head is a skull WITH hairs?
Gooz: I suspected he was bald, but I would never had guessed that he had a beard.
In any case, I will wait for other comments about the various characters, and then I will edited the picture. It's done on layers, it should be relative easy.
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Dirk doesn't have a hat!  Oh....... wait..............  N.... nevermind. 
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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Grimm: his head is a skull WITH hairs?
The way Grimm's always described it and the way I've always seen it was that Grimm's face was a skull. The rest of his head was normal with hair, ears, and such. Just dead skin gross, though.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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I don't wanna call a whole story but I've got big-ass happenings floating around my head (and no, they have nothing to do with BBW dance clubs). I'd like to collaborate with someone who does have a premise for a main story. 
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Grimm: his head is a skull WITH hairs?
The way Grimm's always described it and the way I've always seen it was that Grimm's face was a skull. The rest of his head was normal with hair, ears, and such. Just dead skin gross, though.
Basically, yeah. I've mentioned the short, black hair a few times, I believe. 
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I don't wanna call a whole story but I've got big-ass happenings floating around my head (and no, they have nothing to do with BBW dance clubs).
Whew! Thank Gob! We dodged a bullet here, gentlemen.  
In all seriousness, though, why don't you Jackie check in with each other and see if your ideas mesh.
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I'd check in with Ceej anytime. 
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Ahhh...I see I've made the Grimm-Sig-line.... ....it's on now..... 
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Okay. Euro makes a good point about #20 coming around two years from now, at current pace. CJ wants #21. All good, and the gang. But, in theory, that would compromise my original idea. Therefore, here's the proposal of my story idea. It is involving. It gives a bit of temporary freedom. And, it could come whenever you want. [Paraphrase] Quote:
-Let's say that Vanguard, through whatever reasons, is transported away. From La Perdita. From Earth. And, let's say, that it is not an easy solution to get back.
Now, let's say that we do a story like this.
Totally seperated from all the secondary stuff, involving only our main character. At no time would any "Meanwhile"'s, or, "Interlude on La Perdita"'s come into play, or, be seen. A story, told only about the main characters, in a completely foreign/alien environment, where at no point can any scenes take place back home/on Earth.
Now, let's say that they don't get home at the end of the story.
Let's say that this concept carries us through another story? Two more stories?
See there would be no over-arch by me, except the concept that they are "lost in the unknown". Everyone could do anything they want with the characters, the plot, and the events/fights surrounding, as long as the writers don't do any Earth-scenes, or, get them home.
In the next story, over-arched by whoever wants it, they are still "lost". How much time has passed? What has changed about the team, during their exile? The point is, it's a multi-faceted concept with YOU in mind.
So, maybe they get home in the second story, maybe it carries on. Doesn't matter. Either way, it would be a fun, imaginative change of scenery from the typically-Earth-bound stories.
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And, thus, my proposal.
If this is an accepted idea that people want to do, I can move it to Issue #16, or #17. This would also free-up #21 for CJ, if she wanted it.
If no one is interested, then, it's all moot, and I'll propose a single-story idea for #20.
I have spoken. Now, I ask for responses.
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No need to compromise...just tell me which story I can do. I just scanned and saw '20' as the last one books. My bad.
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I like your idea, Pro, with some reservations: If these are indeed "streamlined" stories, then let's not let them take very long. I don't want to have the team away from earth for a year (our time) because that would put a cramp in a lot of off-team character development I'd like to do. Also, I do plan on alternating between Mason Templar and Axel Magus once the boy comes into his own as a sorcerer, and I won't be able to switch between characters from story to story if it takes too long to write this story arc you propose. That's not a problem if it's done in a relatively shorter time than our usual slow-moving stories of the last two years, as I won't be using Axel as a Vanguard member until several stories from now, but I can foresee it getting excruciatingly boring if we find the team stranded out in space and everyone runs out of ideas to keep the team occupied. This idea could really go anywhere, though, so I'm more willing to bet that it could free up a lot of imaginary juices by getting the team away from the framework of their headquarters and their "posse" of supporting characters which continues to naturally grow story-by-story as we give "lives" to the team members.
So anyway, I'm for doing it sooner than later IF it's written in a more streamlined way and done much more quickly than our usual lazy, half-assed pace.
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I'd check in with Ceej anytime.
Bit small for your tastes, isn't she?
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Ahhh...I see I've made the Grimm-Sig-line....
....it's on now.....
Answer my question!
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Chewy: Re: Meredith Brooks. You're starting to worry me.
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I couldn't agree more...
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http://www.bbcamerica.com/genre/comedy_games/father_ted/dictionary.jspFor those of you that never saw 'Father Ted', this is best Irish slang dictionary out there. I've been looking for it every blue moon since I made Brianna, and it would be nice to include the words, if only for laughs. I mean, it's soooooo funny to hear 'Feck!' really loudly...;)
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If that's the case, Pro, then I've got important stuff I want to work in in the near future, as part of like #16 or #17.
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I'd check in with Ceej anytime.
Bit small for your tastes, isn't she?
She's friggin' Ceej. Definitely worth making the exception.
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Pro, check with yourself (Gooz, I mean).
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OK, based on Euro's last post, I have something to write with Templar at the Complex that takes place afterwards on the same day of December 25th, so don't advance the time until at least 24 hours from now.
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Hope to have not screwed up anything, TTT. I based what I wrote on things we talked some times ago, maybe I could have mistaken something... By the way, what about the post we talked about two days ago?
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I'm cool with myself (and a little full of myself)
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My thoughs on Pro's idea:
1)It's an interesting idea. My circus idea at the beginning of the HR Universe was just to tell stories like that, travellling from one point to the other of the world, finding new faces, new friends and new foes every time. Nobody outside me seemed thrilled about that, everybody wanted to have the heroes settled down, estabilishing a pro-active role and such.
2) it bears a big resemblance with TTT's Krononauts idea, where a team of five scientist experiments the first time machine, and jumps from one point to another in history, without any ties with the world of today. If TTT would start that story, it could became as succesful as TOMB. Maybe he just should allow more than five members. That would be the place for character oriented, self contained stories not at all butdened by continuity.
In any case, I have no reservations about doing that, if I Euro can brings Eddie along. If not, I'll have to use a different character.
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No need to compromise...just tell me which story I can do. I just scanned and saw '20' as the last one books. My bad.
You could do 16, CJ.
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Euro, great picture. I agree that it's the best one so far.
I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really like Pro's idea, and I'd like to do it as soon as possible and for as many time as the story itself dictates. It's one of those status quo shaking ideas. We don't really know how the characters interact until they're put in a situation like that. When they come back to earth maybe the normal status quo would be restored, but the characters would have changed.
But then again, I don't plan to have any secondary characters, so not making interludes would not affect me in the least. As for those that need the interludes, what about solo threads? And TTT, if Axel developes his powers, maybe while trying to do something to find the team and bring it back home he could end up accidentally switching places with Mason. Just an idea.
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Hope to have not screwed up anything, TTT. I based what I wrote on things we talked some times ago, maybe I could have mistaken something...
By the way, what about the post we talked about two days ago?
Don't worry, Euro -- your post and all the "Caliburnus" stuff worked out just fine with what I'm doing with the character, and though it was a bit of a surprise to see that show up right now, it was a pleasant surprise nonetheless.
As far as the other idea we talked about? That's what I need to write before we move the time forward. I just wish I had a bit more time during the week to do some non-college writing... 
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I'm all for Pro's story. I like the idea of not wrapping everything up in one issue. It's partially what I tried to do with #12. I wanted there to be a feeling that the problem wasn't not only solved, but also that the team had done something that benifited the kind of people they were fighting against. I think a story like this could be very interesting.
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In fact, now that I think of it, the idea for issue #15 as I understand it could directly lead into Pro's idea, since the team will already be on another planet. What's the sense of bringing them home only to have them get lost again? It seems a good way to gel both ideas together.
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The Time Trust said:Don't worry, Euro -- your post and all the "Caliburnus" stuff worked out just fine with what I'm doing with the character, and though it was a bit of a surprise to see that show up right now, it was a pleasant surprise nonetheless.
I did it mainly to show that the "Eternal champion" aspect of Euro is not gone, as (like I explained in my solo thread) it was not Ladnikia's fault the visions from ancient heroes perspective, as they are caused by the Sundial amulet.
It was a lot of time that I had not written one of those vision... (from issue 13, when Euro had his last fight) so I wanted to reintroduce it. It's a thing that ties the Raptor to the contemporary version of Hawkman, and is a nice wink, I think, to one of the aspect of TOMB's Nemo.
By the way, I would like to see how the heroes react to the presence of Euro. He has been a real asshole before leaving, how the felt with him back? and what about the two years old Eddie (that the team had the time of just a few days, after issue 13, to get accustomed to?)
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In fact, now that I think of it, the idea for issue #15 as I understand it could directly lead into Pro's idea, since the team will already be on another planet. What's the sense of bringing them home only to have them get lost again? It seems a good way to gel both ideas together.
That's why I asked Pro to check with Gooz.
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Euro, great picture. I agree that it's the best one so far.
Thank you, Mxy.
...so not making interludes would not affect me in the least. As for those that need the interludes, what about solo threads?
Sure, but there is also the Strikeforce thread to be used. Merlin surely is spying over Vanguard, and we can use that gimmick to show what happens at La Perdita.
We could also go "biweekly" and have two parallel stories, in two different threads, to show the adventures of the stranded heroes in one, and the efforts of the Vanguard "staff" to find them (or to replace them for the benefit of the company, in the case they would be though dead - if the story dictates so).
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Holy shiznick! That was quick.
Okay....one at a time....
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Answer my question!
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I don't want to have the team away from earth for a year (our time) because that would put a cramp in a lot of off-team character development I'd like to do.
I don't see the stories as taking that long. Or do you mean within the story? As in the fictional timeframe, or the real one?
And, as for "off-team character development" that you want to do, might I suggest a Solo Thread?
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Also, I do plan on alternating between Mason Templar and Axel Magus once the boy comes into his own as a sorcerer, and I won't be able to switch between characters from story to story if it takes too long to write this story arc you propose.
Well, if the stories are supposed to follow "real-time", then, how on Earth can Axel age from twelve-to-eighteen so soon? I mean, that's about the age-limit a business like Vanguard would have to impose, if nothing else, due mainly to insurance laws, and the like. Just curious.
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I can foresee it getting excruciatingly boring if we find the team stranded out in space and everyone runs out of ideas to keep the team occupied.
No. They are only gone as long as we (as a group) want them gone. No more, no less.
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So anyway, I'm for doing it sooner than later IF it's written in a more streamlined way and done much more quickly than our usual lazy, half-assed pace.
I'm for doing it naturally, and letting whatever juices the writers here have, flow as needed. I don't think a time limit should be enforced, just because you have ideas that you want to do for your character. If it happens fast, fine. If it happens slow, fine. It's all in how the group, as a whole, progresses it.
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If that's the case, Pro, then I've got important stuff I want to work in in the near future, as part of like #16 or #17.
Sigh.
No, no, no. Phil....
This is exactly what I'm trying to get away from.
This "Legion Lost"-type set-up is designed so that only the main characters (that means either Phil, or, Leslie) are focused on. There should be pretty much NO personal subplots brought along on this journey.
I don't want this to be about Phil's secrets, Raptor's son, Ozzy's past, Axel's parents, or anything ELSE extraneous to the main idea of exploration, survival, and interaction between the main characters themselves.
Now, if you are talking about doing this "important" stuff before or after the "Lost" concept, then, fine. Other than that, I stand by my two cents.
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In any case, I have no reservations about doing that, if I Euro can brings Eddie along. If not, I'll have to use a different character.
No offense, Euro. I really, really like the character of Raptor. But, I couldn't care less about his "son". And, just due to the very nature of the type of story I would love seen done, I wouldn't want Eddie along for the ride. Same thing with any of the supporting cast.
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We could also go "biweekly" and have two parallel stories, in two different threads, to show the adventures of the stranded heroes in one, and the efforts of the Vanguard "staff" to find them (or to replace them for the benefit of the company, in the case they would be though dead - if the story dictates so).
I like this idea okay, if everyone is dying to keep an eye on the "Status Quo"-ensemble. Though, and I must say, I would really be against having any connection whatsoever to whatever's happening in this "La Perdita/Secondary Characters Thread". Odds are, I won't even read it, therefore, I don't want to have to research it to have it match up with the "Lost" story, or, to understand certain plot points.
Personally, I don't think there should be a parallel thread. That would take away from the focus on the main story. I think the point of this story is so that we CAN get away from the norm, and not care about it at all for an entire story.
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It seems like it would be interwsting for me in particular, given Drake's recent news. I wouldn't expect him to never mention it, it just wouldn't make sense if he didn't. Primarily, though, I think he'd just end up determined to get home, even more than the other characters are.
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This "Legion Lost"-type set-up is designed so that only the main characters (that means either Phil, or, Leslie) are focused on. There should be pretty much NO personal subplots brought along on this journey.
I don't want this to be about Phil's secrets, Raptor's son, Ozzy's past, Axel's parents, or anything ELSE extraneous to the main idea of exploration, survival, and interaction between the main characters themselves.
Fair enough. Given the level of creativity we have, that ought to be enough to keep us all quite occupied for a while. I actually wasn't talking about doing other stuff as part of your idea... sucka' foo'.
So damn picky about his rules...
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Now, if you are talking about doing this "important" stuff before or after the "Lost" concept, then, fine. Other than that, I stand by my two cents.
Hang onto that - that's about sixty-eight Russian rubles! I'm game. Let's see what you do with your idea... just please give me at least half this next story (chronologically speaking) to uncover some stuff, otherwise I'll have to reveal Phil's origins in a solo thread, which would totally kill the suspense. 
But anyway, I got a band show this weekend, and I've been running on four hours' sleep a night. Tonight I get some extra sleepy-time, so for now, I'm down like the toilet seat at a feminists' convention...
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No offense, Euro. I really, really like the character of Raptor. But, I couldn't care less about his "son". And, just due to the very nature of the type of story I would love seen done, I wouldn't want Eddie along for the ride. Same thing with any of the supporting cast.
You may not care, because probably "your" Raptor is not a father. But for me it's different.
Since when I started the HR Universe, my revamped version of Euro was done with the "Lone Wolf and cub" manga character in mind. Then, it happens that Eddie was kept away from Euro, by events, for more than two years, but finally, NOW, I am able to write him like I would have done since the start.
Simply put, there is not something like Euro without the son, now. Him being a father is the most important thing I want to explore with his character. Eddie cannot be considered a secondary character. He is just two years old: he doesn't speak, barely walks. It's just something to care about, to feed, to help.
But I have no problem to leave them on Earth, as I have both the solo and the Strikeforce threads to play with my characters. After all, I wasn't even sure of having Euro back in the team as a full member, as "credibility wise", with the responsability over the kid he wouldn't jump in the mid of very risky adventures.
I think it's the time, for him, to open that restaurant on the seaside of Puerta Mibela.
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On the nature of secondary character:
After having posted the reply above, I have though for some time (not much) about what makes a secondary character and not.
We have estabilished that people with split personality, and people that exchange place with another, are to be considered a single character. That's obvious, I think, altough it force us to know and understand two or more different people. But they are not present at the same time, so that would never broke the rule #1.
Other cases.
Tobias Christopher, at the beginning, was written, by his poster, as being ALWAYS followed by the cat Lil' Jo. If TC would be in the lost in space story, and written right, would the cat be allowed to come? I guess so, being it something that doesn't talk or even think, a mere presence, like a walking piece of equipment.
Chance
Chance, altough the thing was used very sparingly by TTT, had the ghost of Pete as a companion (or a nuisance), following him closely. He talked, though, and was able to make decisions, altough it was bonded to the Swedish chemist. Would he be allowed in the story or not?
Sir Justin (from the old Universe)
Sir Justin, a TTT character form the original MBL, was a medieval warrior from a fairy land, that traveled the country riding a talking hawk-pigeon.
Would that animal be considered a secondary character and not be allowed in the story, if Sir Justin would be the actual TTT hero? It talks, it is able to do things on his own. But, I guess, not allowing it in the story, it would "alter" the nature of the character.
My question is: how the rule #1 can condition the kind of character we can create?
A guy with his own pet giant robot, is one character, two characters, or one main and one secondary character? And what is the main, and what the secondary one?
A man and a woman that mistically merge to create an androgynous uber-mage, what are? Two characters or just one? Or three? How mains, and how secondaries?
Secondary characters, for me, are people that are totally separated and can stand a full separate life from the main character to which they are relate. Quantos is a secondary character. Miss X is. Charley is. Kit is.
But Eddie could be really considered a secondary character? Do you really think he could be exist separated from Euro?
Why Drake talking mentally to Drax, or Danny and Hal, should be less problematic for that story than Euro talking to his son, KNOWING that the kid would not talk back?
And even if he would not come, do you think that Euro wouldn't think to him constantly? Or Phil not thinking about Leslie? The presence of Eddie wouldn't be felt less if he was phisically present, of that I am sure.
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Ah, by the way, I am bickering just for the case that the "lost in space" story will start soon. If it really will be around issue 20, I am sure I will be tired of writing Eddie, probably Ed will have a wife by then and another son, and he will be more than glad to have a space holiday away from the little monsters.
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The Eurostar said:
On the nature of secondary character:.........
Tobias Christopher, at the beginning, was written, by his poster, as being ALWAYS followed by the cat Lil' Jo. If TC would be in the lost in space story, and written right, would the cat be allowed to come? I guess so, being it something that doesn't talk or even think, a mere presence, like a walking piece of equipment.
You mean the same cat Tobias left behind on the island for several months that one time? 
No. The cat is a pet for character development only. It cannot, does not, and has not ever helped the team on missions. It's TC's Shirley. The cat stays behind.
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The Eurostar said:
Chance
Chance, altough the thing was used very sparingly by TTT, had the ghost of Pete as a companion (or a nuisance), following him closely. He talked, though, and was able to make decisions, altough it was bonded to the Swedish chemist. Would he be allowed in the story or not?
If Pete is also used to do things like walk through walls and tell Chance what's on the other side or posses Chance's body, then yes. If Pete's just there to take up space and not progress the story, then his use makes him a secondary character only being used for character development. See Tobias and lil' Jo example.
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The Eurostar said:
Sir Justin (from the old Universe)
Sir Justin, a TTT character form the original MBL, was a medieval warrior from a fairy land, that traveled the country riding a talking hawk-pigeon.
Would that animal be considered a secondary character and not be allowed in the story, if Sir Justin would be the actual TTT hero? It talks, it is able to do things on his own. But, I guess, not allowing it in the story, it would "alter" the nature of the character......
A guy with his own pet giant robot, is one character, two characters, or one main and one secondary character? And what is the main, and what the secondary one?
These are both examples of something that is part of the gimmick of the character. It's like the Lone Ranger and Silver. Characters that are inherent and affixed to another's abilities can be used if they aren't simply there to be for character development. The new rules don't say that we can't do character development, they just say that we shouldn't make that the primary focus of stories. You can pepper posts with bits of character development as long as you also help progress the story along too.
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The Eurostar said:
A man and a woman that mistically merge to create an androgynous uber-mage, what are? Two characters or just one? Or three? How mains, and how secondaries?
Something like this would fit under the one character/two personalities header like Danny, Drax, and our previous concept of Mxy. This is kinda weird, man. If this is one of your fetishes, please don't let me know. I'm still trying to wash my brain out from Sammitch's. 
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But Eddie could be really considered a secondary character? Do you really think he could be exist separated from Euro?
Does Raptor need little Eddie to access his powers? No. Then he is a secondary character used by you for character development. Besides, what kind of father would Ed be taking his son on dangerous missions? Don't make me call Child Services on your ass. 
Also, from what you've written so far, it doesn't seem as though little Eddie is very needing of his father. And I'm sure that the support staff left behind on the Vanguard Lost story would take care of the little bugger. Plus, wouldn't that be a good character motivator for Ed to get back home? To get back to the son he rescued, killed, and was reunited with after the kid's resurrection?.................... My head hurts after that. I think I might have to lay down in a minute.
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And even if he would not come, do you think that Euro wouldn't think to him constantly? Or Phil not thinking about Leslie? The presence of Eddie wouldn't be felt less if he was phisically present, of that I am sure.
This is allowed. You just can't make ever fucking post in the story about it. You have to interweave it with something, action or simple occurence, that will also move the story past the point where it was before you made your post.
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