RKMBs Forums .::Robegories::. Comic Books I think MOTA should read this.

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I'm Not Mister Mxypltk said:
This about you being an intollerant fuck who wants comics to be his way and his way only.

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ManofTheAtom said:No, that's you.

I'm the one that offered a compromise in which EVERYONE wins.

Ongoing series for continuity fans, one shots and minis for casual readers.

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rexstardust said:
You really have no clue what compromise means. You want everything your way. You're the same as Hitler.

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I'm Not Mister Mxypltk said:
You're oversimplifying things. You call readers like me "casual readers" but it's more complicated than that. If I buy few comics it's because there's few good comics to buy. What I really am is a selective reader.
If the one shots and the minis, wether they are within or outside continuity, are the only quality comics, then I'll buy those. But I'd rather have an ongoing series of quality comics.
Now, this is where it becomes a problem for you. I think that for a comic to be good the writer must have no limitations (besides the obvious moral ones... and even for those there's Vertigo). I think continuity CAN be a limitation so, sometimes, it should be forgotten. You think it can NEVER be forgotten within an ongoing title, because ongoing titles are for you and only for you. THAT is why you're an egomaniac.

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ManofTheAtom said:And you're still an ignorant ass.

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You can keep using "good" and "bad" as a standard as long as you want, it still won't make them one.

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They are PREFERENCES, not standards that everyone has to follow.

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Just because for your continuity stories aren't good doesn't make it so.

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When a writer works in an IN CONTINUITY story, then he should respect it.

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If he doesn't want to do that, then he shouldn't work with continuity, no one is forcing him.

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Of course, the problem isn't that writers don't want to work with continuity. The problem is that writers only want to work with the continuity they like.

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In Waid's case, it's the Silver Age, which is why when given the chance to revive it, he took it.

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ManofTheAtom said:

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britneyspearsatemyshorts said:
i thinks maybe the man is obsessed with superpets!

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No I'm not.

People like Mxy who think that comics can't go beyond super pets, who think that ideas like that are an absolute necessity of the medium (which he made clear), are the ones that are obssesed with it.

I use them to make fun of morons like him who can't understand comics beyond the most simple and idiotic of concepts.

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OK, enough already. You love super pets. We get the message.

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In Waid's case, it's the Silver Age, which is why when given the chance to revive it, he took it.

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King Krypton said:
Oh, and one more thing, MOTA: How can you, in your infinite egomania and wannabe dictatorship, claim that people who respect or even prefer pre-1986 comics "need to catch up and stop wanting comics to sink to your level" when you yourself have baldly stated that you want comics to stay rigidly entrenched in a 1986-1999 quagmire without any deviation? You're just as hell-bent on wanting comics to sink to your level as those you're trying to lynch. Do us all a favor and shut up. You and your intolerant dicates aren't welcome here or anywhere else.

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Reputable folks like Whomod

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britneyspearsatemyshorts said:
SUPER PET LOVER!!!!!!!!

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Im Not Mister Mxypltk said:
Thanks for not joining in this time, MOTA, I have my hands full with Pariah. When I saw your name in this thread I thought "Oh man, there goes my afternoon..."

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PJP said:
Hold Me.

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Animalman said:
I'll have to update my Pariah encyclopedia now.

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PJP said:
Just in case anyone is keeping score, this should go down as one of the greatest threads ever.

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Im Not Mister Mxypltk said:
Thanks for not joining in this time, MOTA, I have my hands full with Pariah. When I saw your name in this thread I thought "Oh man, there goes my afternoon..."

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Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk said:
http://www.newsarama.com/pages/DC/Dan_Bob_2004.htm

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CB: Some have said that DC really need something like the Ultimate line, offering a new continuity-starting-over approach to the DCU for newcomers-and some have even described Supreme Power at Marvel as "Ultimate JLA." Have you considered a DC Silver line, or some similar DCU approach?

Dan DiDio: It's such a double-edged sword... We've considered it, and we've talked it about, but I have books now that haven't reached their full potential, and I want to focus our energies there. Until the characters that we're doing maximize their sales, we need to focus on that, not on creating a new alternative universe for those same characters, or some derivation of those characters. Continuity can be used as a plus or a minus, and that's one of the things that we've all become acutely aware of. The reality is, we're trying to tell the best stories rather than focusing on a given universe's continuity. We're experiencing, in some cases, what we call "selective continuity"-building upon the stories that people remember most and pushing aside-maybe even ignoring entirely- the stories that have less influence on current events, or those that can actually bog down characters.

People who remember the Silver Age sometimes overlook the fact that the Silver Age had a lot of stories that violated continuity; in the years since, creators have picked up the elements that worked best for them and ignored those that interfered. To a degree, we have to be willing to do that now. Books like JLA: Liberty & Justice sort of select and build their own continuity, and they do it so effectively that readers aren't at all confused or disappointed. I think that success breeds continuity. The more successful the story is, the more excited people are about reading a story and building continuity from it. We're being a little looser around the edges in paying attention to the continuity of the past.

What people remember most about the characters is what's important. JLA: Liberty & Justice and DC-The New Frontier are fine examples of that: we could have forced them into continuity or put them in an Elseworlds niche, but we didn't want to diminish the attention that the books would get by doing that. Ultimately, we have to realize that DC continuity is a moving target. We tell generational sagas, but our prime characters don't age, so we have to build a continuity around that. In some cases, such as Flash and Green Lantern, continuity moves forward and dramatic changes take place-but Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman don't change, and we have to work around that.

Bob Wayne: No one should expect that the characters are now in their late eighties because the books have been around for sixty years or so. I don't think it would make for very exciting comics.

Dan DiDio: Change for the sake of change isn't necessarily a good thing-and neither is continuity for the sake of continuity. I don't think it's the best answer. You can talk to any writer with a long run on a book and he'll tell you about stories he did that regretted-or even ignored-later on, because those stories interfered with better stories later on. And too much attention to continuity can really hold a book back. The last thing I want is to produce a new series that has to be footnoted to death in order for people to understand it.

Bob Wayne: ...And footnoted with references to comics that the average reader doesn't have a copy of or doesn't have any access to, so it's an exercise in frustration.

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I'm starting to like this DiDio guy.

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PJP said:
Joe Mama agrees with you

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You hurted my feewings, Peter. I don't drink Budweiser. Not even Nowhereman would go so low...