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Reminder people:
The issue of Superman wherein it was stated that Kryptonian lenses in Clark's glasses had "super hypnotism" effect, causing people to see Superman and Clark as two different people.
I remember this one. I was a plot device designed to sort out why people didn't think Clark Kent and Superman were the same person - a pair of glasses not being an effective disguise. With the glasses on, Kent looked a lot older and frailer.
Another one: Green Lantern endeavours to move a planet with a giant set of tweezers, in GL#130 or therabouts. Tidal waves, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and climatic disasters that would be a consequence of this do not seem to occur to him. (The task, however, does prove too big for him, and he gets zapped by previously unseen feedback.)
In an issue of World's Finest, Metallo has replaced his Kryptonian heart with a black hole. He is in the middle of torturing Superman with his newfound powers, when Batman, who is tied to a chair (instead of being kiled by Metallo's minions), leaps backwards jamming the chair into the computer which regulates the blackhole. Fortunately, instead of the black hole instantly expanding and consuming the Earth, it only consumes Metallo. Not too clever, Bruce.
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Ah, NOW we're getting somewhere.
Anyone else remember the issue of "Brave and Bold" written by Bob Haney and drawn by Jim Aparo, in which terrorists deduce the best way to kill Batman and Sgt. Rock is to kidnap Haney and Aparo and force them to write and draw our heroes being killed?
Or the issue of Batman from the 1970s (reprented in the recent "Neal Adams Batman" hardcover) in which Bruce Wayne had a cleaning woman...??!?
WTF was Alfred for then?
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Indeed!
I have mentioned before the issue of World's Finest where Plastic Man is begging on the street, dressed as Santa, and Batman throws him a dime into his pot. "Poor Plas" thinks Batman, as he drives home to his billion dollar mansion.
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A coin? that Bruce is one cheap fucking bastard!
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Precisely. Even as a kid, I thought, "WTF? How about dropping the man a g-note, you cheap bastard?"
In Wolverine #51 or 52, Wolverine picks up the shape-changing Mystique in a bar, has sex with her, and then tells her that he knew it was her from her scent. WTF? Where did Wolverine bury his nose? Was the writer having a little joke?
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I thought I saw her in the background in that panel where Prince Ra-men gets killed!
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Precisely. Even as a kid, I thought, "WTF? How about dropping the man a g-note, you cheap bastard?"
Heh. You must've been a fun kid to hang out with...
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My biggest WTF was when ShazamGrrl1 was revealed as a closet JSA fan in Crisis!
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Personally, I think the current version of the JSA is a gigantic WTF and Geoff Johns is a pompous, condescending bunghole. 
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Personally, I think the current version of the JSA is a gigantic WTF
Sorry, no.
PLease refer to my earlier post. This is not a thread to bitch about in continuity storylines you don't like. It's a thread to discuss the wacky, retconned (hopefully) stuff.
Another, big, WTF:
"The Super Sons" run in World's Finest in the 1970s. Teenaged sons of Superman and Batman who, according to the editors, were not a dream, not a hoax, not an imaginary story, but simply an heretounexplored aspect of our heroes' multi-faceted lives.
WTF?
Eventually, realizing that this facet should REMAIN unexplored, the writers and editor concocted ANOTHER WTF, explaining the sons away by stating they were a Fortress of Solitude computer simulation that Superman and Batman would sit around and watch for hours on end (yeah, that's MY idea of entertainment).
WTF?
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Another, big, WTF:
"The Super Sons" run in World's Finest in the 1970s. Teenaged sons of Superman and Batman who, according to the editors, were not a dream, not a hoax, not an imaginary story, but simply an heretounexplored aspect of our heroes' multi-faceted lives.
WTF?
Eventually, realizing that this facet should REMAIN unexplored, the writers and editor concocted ANOTHER WTF, explaining the sons away by stating they were a Fortress of Solitude computer simulation that Superman and Batman would sit around and watch for hours on end (yeah, that's MY idea of entertainment).
WTF?
Yep. I remember that one. Still have the issue of the latter. The sons found out they were creating all the disasters on Earth and simply jumped in a core of burning energy and that was that. Batman was crying at the end of the story...WTF? Indeed!!!
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In Wolverine #51 or 52, Wolverine picks up the shape-changing Mystique in a bar, has sex with her, and then tells her that he knew it was her from her scent. WTF? Where did Wolverine bury his nose? Was the writer having a little joke?
I don't get the wtf? about this. Are you saying Wolverine didn't have this ability at that time? I thought he always had an exceptionally strong sense of smell. I thought he is a feral mutant (claws, agility, speed, scent, etc.) with the added bonus of his healing ability (necessary because his claws extend from beneath his skin). Am I wrong?
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Precisely. Even as a kid, I thought, "WTF? How about dropping the man a g-note, you cheap bastard?"
In Wolverine #51 or 52, Wolverine picks up the shape-changing Mystique in a bar, has sex with her, and then tells her that he knew it was her from her scent. WTF? Where did Wolverine bury his nose? Was the writer having a little joke? I should think it's fairly obvious where Wolverine buried his nose !
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(Reposting this here, because the version I posted on the DCMBs got turned into a certain someone's own little vendetta thread.)
What are the lines, plot devices, situations put in a comic, or fan posts, that just made you think "WTF?!?"?
For me, it was reading so-called "spoilers" for JSA arcs where the poster leaked that Captain Marvel was either tricked or forced into yelling "SHAZAM!" in the middle of a battle. 
Next!
The initial post...
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The Spider-man arc where Doc Ock tried to marry Aunt May because she had inherited an island full of plutonium and a nuclear reactor.
WTF?
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Regarding the HOBGOBLIN LIVES 1-3 miniseries I mentioned above: Even in lame form, It would be interesting to see how Stern himself (who created Hobgoblin, and built up the initial suspense and clues to his HG's identity) finally concluded the storyline. I'd heard that Stern initially planned to conclude the storyline in AMAZING SPIDERMAN # 250, but was influenced to not reveal Hobgoblin's identity, and allow it to be further stretched for the sake of sales. The buildup from issue 238 (introducing the Hobgoblin) till 250 was one of the most engaging storylines in comics history.        It would be nice to see who Stern originally planned the Hobgoblin to be revealed as, but I'll bet that the new series didn't follow his original plans either. Like how Kirby originally planned to end the New Gods in the early 70's, as compared to his god-awful later effort with HUNGER DOGS in 1985. It's impossible to re-create what was originally planned years ago, and do it the same way. HUNGER DOGS was a big "WTF ?!?" disappointment as well.  
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The Spider-man arc where Doc Ock tried to marry Aunt May because she had inherited an island full of plutonium and a nuclear reactor.
WTF?
Heh. Yeah, that's kinda ludicrous, I agree, but I guess that was partly a carry-over from the whole naive attitude Aunt May had towards Doctor Octopus from the time they first met. He was such a "well-mannered gentleman," don't you know?  Doc Ock seemed to appreciate May's attitude towards him as well.
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Knutreturns said: Spoken like the true Greatest RDCW Champ!
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ShazamGrrl1 said:ShazamGrrl1 said:
(Reposting this here, because the version I posted on the DCMBs got turned into a certain someone's own little vendetta thread.)
What are the lines, plot devices, situations put in a comic, or fan posts, that just made you think "WTF?!?"?
For me, it was reading so-called "spoilers" for JSA arcs where the poster leaked that Captain Marvel was either tricked or forced into yelling "SHAZAM!" in the middle of a battle.
Next! The initial post... Consistent with Shazamgrrl's original post, I think that while ret-conned embarrassments are certainly interesting to discuss here, that Shazamgrrl's opening thesis for the topic is broad enough to include any comic book story that has blown your mind and made you say: WOAH !!! That can be WTF in a bad way, WTF in a good way, WTF in a continuity way, or WTF in an embarassing ret-conned way. Regarding WTF in a good way, I love JLI, and I know I'm not alone in that. Giffen/DeMatteis' JUSTICE LEAGUE/JLI 1-60, ANNUALS 1-6, JUSTICE LEAGUE EUROPE 1-36, JUSTICE LEAGUE QUARTERLY 1-6, and various other specials and tie-ins, were consistently great WTF material, in a very good and fun way, from 1987-1992, or so. One of my favorites is JLE # 6, where the JLE takes a french class and winds up in the same room with the Injustice Gang, leading to an inevitable showdown of bufoonery. Illustrated by Bart Sears.  And even more so in the wildly funny JLI ANNUAL 4, "Justice League Antarctica", where the JLI hires the Injustice Gang into the JLI, in an attempt to help them go straight, and stations them to "guard Antarctica" where their stupidity supposedly can't hurt anyone, which backfires miserably, with hilarious results. Illustrated by Mike McKone.  Or JLI 33-35, where Booster Gold and Blue Beetle set up a casino on the tropical island of Kooey Kooey Kooey, using JLI funds, with predictably disastrous results. Beautifully illustrated by Adam Hughes.    And JUSTICE LEAGUE 43 and 44 (1990), where a reporter named Tortellini plays poker with a bunch of supervillains and wins all their weapons in a poker game, then takes on the JLI, with predictably funny results. And again, more great Adam Hughes art.  
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The Power of SHAZAM! had several major WTF moments for me, not just in characterization, but some of the plot devices used in that series. Here's a list:
The "four year gap" between the GN and the series.
Shazam, rape victim? (remember, Shazam's supposed to be the father Superman's foes Blaze and Satannus)
The "Billy Batson - SuperTeen" (thanks, Marvelozzo) Adult-hero-kid's-brain version of Captain Marvel
Mary Batson spending half her time acting like a spoiled little rich-b!tch with a massive case of reverse PMS and the other half as a wimpy whiner. (In fact, the whole series had a lot of whiny characters, especially Billy and Freddy. Yeesh)
Freddy Freeman... cocky jock
Cap, Mary and Junior sharing the powers of Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles and Mercury.
Adult "Lady" Cap instead of young Mary Marvel, which switched the "family" dynamic from big brother - little "brother" - little sister to Father - Mother - Son. This was caused by an implied "mystical incest" between Cap and Mary that "give birth" to a Junior that flailed and squirmed like a newborn when the lightning first struck him.
Dudley the drunk traitor (he "unintentionally" offered up Mary to be killed by a minor demon)
Tawky Tawny, Pooka. (according to Irish myth, Pookas are the most dangerous critters in the Faerie realm. I don't care how many times someone says "Pookas are playful and mischievious like Harvey", the fact remains that they ain't)
CM3 (the less said about this bit of "modernization", the better)
"CM3" punching Mary in the face... twice.
The Invasion of the New Gods (Cap and Mary using Mother Boxes to summon the magic lightning when, a few issues previous, Shazam told Cap that he didn't have to be at the Rock of Eternity for the World's "Mightiest" Mortal to change back into Billy)
The Starman and GirlFrenzy crossovers: "But - but I'm a hero!" (Cap) "Don - don't kill him!" (Mary)
Mary's "little girl" costume on a buxom, grown-up body that somehow turns from Marvel red to Vestal virgin white (flegh)
Billy, Mary, Freddy and the Bromfields all moving into Ebenezer Batson's house.
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See, this is why I said we should stay away from "in continuity" stuff that a particular poster just doesn't like.
We might as well now start bitching about Hall into Parallax, Clark marrying Lois, the death of Jason Todd, the Spider-clone, etc.
The thread is now a gripe session.
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See, this is why I said we should stay away from "in continuity" stuff that a particular poster just doesn't like.
We might as well now start bitching about Hall into Parallax, Clark marrying Lois, the death of Jason Todd, the Spider-clone, etc.
The thread is now a gripe session.
But ShazamGrrl1 set the rules for what should be included in her initial post. What gives you the right to take it over and change the rules? The fact that you're a Republican?
Plus, it's not like threads on these boards never go off-topic or anything.
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But ShazamGrrl1 set the rules for what should be included in her initial post. What gives you the right to take it over and change the rules?
I wouldn't say I'm changing the rules, more noting what will happen under ShazamGrrl's rules.
However, it should be noted that SG's original post was a reference to an earlier thread on the DCMBs which, as Dave the WB noted (#289002 - Wed Jun 23 2004 05:00 AM), was full of the kind of stuff I would prefer to discuss. So would I be changing the rules or returning to the original rules? (We conservatives do love "Rolling back the clock," or so liberals tell us)
However, if you guys want a thread that makes you all sound like the Comic Book Guy ("worst...storyline...ever")  .... carry on...
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Ah, but Power of SHAZAM! is no longer in DC "continuity", G-Man. Jeff Smith's upcoming Monster Society of Evil is.
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Again, I vote for all-inclusiveness. Funny ret-conned-out embarassments, as well as in-continuity mind-blowers, and stuff that just makes you laugh at its goofiness, like the JLI/JLE stuff. Narrowing the WTF nominees will take some of the fun out of it, and make for less posting here, and a much shorter topic. More Stooges covers:   Some nice covers by Gulacy, that'll bring a smile to your face.
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Nope I hear that is out of continuity as well...much like Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier. I think DC is liking Geoff John's Captain Marvel so I believe that is sticking.
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I wouldn't repeat that tidbit on the DCMB Cap boards, PI. They're all convinced that MSoE will not only be in continuity, but that it will replace Ordway's. Not trying to be snarky, just letting you what they think over there.
I think it's going to be an outside continuity project, too, but you can't convince the "true believers" of that.
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At this point is ANYTHING at DC REALLY in continuity? It seems like they reboot one book or another every six months.
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Ah, NOW we're getting somewhere.
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Anyone else remember the issue of "Brave and Bold" written by Bob Haney and drawn by Jim Aparo, in which terrorists deduce the best way to kill Batman and Sgt. Rock is to kidnap Haney and Aparo and force them to write and draw our heroes being killed?
Yeah, that was a WTF all right, G-man. From BRAVE & THE BOLD 124:  It was fun seeing Aparo's rendition of himself, writer Bob Haney, and B & B editor Murray Boltinoff. This story was Bob Haney's own attempt in the same vein as other oddball stories where DC writers, artists and editors included themselves in stories. The first that I'm aware of was in BATMAN 237, "Night of the Reaper", by Dennis, O'Neil, Neal Adams and Dick Giordano (which will hopefully soon be out in a few months in a BATMAN ILLUSTRATED BY NEAL ADAMS, Vol 3 hardcover).  "Night of the Reaper" featured a whole bunch of DC creators from 1971 (Dennis O'Neil, Al Weiss, Gerry Conway and Berni Wrightson) at an annual Halloween parade hosted by then-big-time fan convention host Tom Fagan in Rutland, Vermont. Fagan also had a cameo in the story. My favorite part is where O'Neil is shown talking to a thuggish-looking big guy in a Thor costume, and Thor is saying to him: "So you're a comic book writer, huh? That's a stupid way to make a living." To which O'Neil responds: "Mind getting off my foot?"There was a follow-up appearance of Berni Wrightson, Al Weiss and Gerry Conway in a Robin back-up feature in BATMAN 239. I found the idea in this story of writers and artists getting involved in a fist-fight rather unlikely. (story by Mike Friedrich, art by Rich Buckler. )  There was a reprise of this festival the following year in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA 103 (in late 1972) , which I think included Gerry Conway and a few other creators. (by Len Wein, Dick Dillin and Dick Giordano)  Then there was a JLA/JSA crossover in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA 123 and 124, that also included DC creators in the story, this time writers Elliot Maggin and Cary Bates, along with editor Julius Schwartz. To my knowledge, this was the first time our Earth was actually named as part of the DC Universe, which they dubbed "Earth Prime". (story by Bates and Maggin, art by Dillin and McLaughlin)   ( This was within a few issues of when the JLA had visited the Quality Comics heroes on their world, where Doll Man, Black Condor, Phantom Lady, Uncle Sam and others were fighting on a parallel Earth where the Nazis won WW II, dubbed "Earth X". And in another story of the same period, the Shazam heroes had been established to live in the parallel universe of "Earth S". So the parallel DC worlds were growing by leaps and bounds. )
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There was also an hilarious New Teen Titans back-up story where Marv Wolfman and George Perez get kidnapped by a mad scientist as part of a plan to defeat the Titans, not to mention JLI #50.
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And Animalman #26. I guess some people saw that as a big WTF.
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Oh...yeah...JLA 123 and 124 were great:  As I recall, Bates was teleported to Earth 1 and became a supervillain so Maggin went after him or something. My favorite moment was where Green Arrow got all pissed off because he said Maggin was imitating him/mocking the psuedo hipster way he spoke, and Maggin said "no, no, you're imitating ME...I write your lingo based on my own speech pattern!" WTF?
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My favorite part of JLA 123/124 is the scenes with Julius Schwartz complaining to Cary Bates and Elliot Maggin that they haven't got any original ideas, and to come up with something story-worthy.
Then Bates becomes this super-villain on Earth 2 (under mind control from the Wizard) and defeats the JSA, etc., etc.
And then when Bates came back from this wonderfully imaginative adventure, he didn't have the wits to remember it to write it down, and re-tell the story that he lived !!
For which editor Schwartz (in the story) chastises Bates as an unimaginative nit-wit or somesuch.
It's very funny self-deprecating humor on the part of writers Bates and Maggin. 
I always thought Julius Schwartz was a hard-nosed grouch after reading this story, and was very pleasantly surprised when I met him at the 1987 San Diego Comic Con, to see what a pleasant and soft-spoken guy he is.
Or was, until he recently passed away a month or two ago. 
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And Animalman #26. I guess some people saw that as a big WTF.
But a fun one!
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