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The Indestructible Man, posted January 30, 2002 11:56 PM
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Related to that last item, on an episode of M*A*S*H*, which took place during the Korean War, Radar O'Reilly is shown reading a copy of Marvel's Avengers comic 10 years before it was published.



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C'mon, you KNOW Radar had to be a time-traveller or something, which is why he could always predict when choppers would show up!



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The Anti-Life Equation, posted January 31, 2002 12:07 AM
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Emerald Twilight.
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Steve Chung, posted January 31, 2002 12:09 AM
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Electric Superman
Genesis
Worlds At War
Last Laugh (Though I did enjoy the Gotham Knights and JSA issues)
Doomsday
Knightfall
Knight's End (Touchy-feely healing?)
Zero Hour
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Old Dude, posted January 31, 2002 12:18 AM
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the master of WTF: Mort Weisinger!
I didn't use the phrase when I was young, but just about every Weisinger comic contained one glorious WTF moment.




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Steven Utley, posted January 31, 2002 12:48 AM
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... and then there are the Mort Weisinger comics that consist entirely of W.T.F. moments.
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"The Irresistible Lois Lane," please note, was one of three, count 'em, stories in issue # 29, each only eight pages long.




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PhroG, posted January 31, 2002 01:14 AM
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Ok... the one story that was such a WTF that it drove me from comics...
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The unimaginably complex and yet completely stupid and ridiculous CLONE SAGA over at Marvel...
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I can't say enough bad things about that...
It frustrated me so much that I left comics for 3 years, as I determined if this was the best they could do, I wasn't wasting my money
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=Ian=




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OPMaster, posted January 31, 2002 01:57 AM
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How about the whole Avengers:Timeslide mess where it was revealed that with Kang pulling the strings Tony Stark had went p p crazy and wound up being killed and replaced by a teenage version of himself that was worried about getting laid instead of being Iron Man.
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W T F???????


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Rockscissorspaper, posted January 31, 2002 02:13 AM
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Those bone claws of Wolverine's. They make no sense in the context of earlier stories.




True, true...in a related topic, I also thought WTF when Claremont decided that Wolverine's claws rip through his skin each time he pops them. (this was in a story where his healing factor was removed and he bled when his claws came out)
...so scientists go through the trouble of building "housings" for the claws but decide not to make a way for them to pop out? WTF??





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CakeDaddy, posted January 31, 2002 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by Steven Utley:
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I take it back -- it is possible to summarize the aforementioned story, "The Irresistible Lois Lane," as Old Dude demonstrates below. I swear by all I hold holy that his is a straightforward and unembellished description.



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Have mercy, that's horrible. We have a winnah!
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And the runner up...
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OP Master
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How about the whole Avengers:Timeslide mess where it was revealed that with Kang pulling the strings Tony Stark had went p p crazy and wound up being killed and replaced by a teenage version of himself that was worried about getting laid instead of being Iron Man.




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Shazamgrrl, posted January 31, 2002 03:37 AM
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Waitaminute, this isn't a contest! It was something inspired by extreme exhaustion!
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Black Zero.1, posted January 31, 2002 03:44 AM
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For me, it's pretty much every time-travel story. Just can't accept it.
I can accept Batman never getting shot in the head, Superman's flying, and Wonder Woman not falling out of her golden bra everytime she runs... but I just don't buy characters being able to travel through time. Too many variables, too many... ugh. I just don't like it.




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Ducklord, posted January 31, 2002 03:46 AM
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I know the story isn't over yet, but is it too early to nominate DK2?
Hoping Miller's got something clever up his sleeve for the final issue,
Mike.



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Steven Utley, posted January 31, 2002 07:48 AM
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As Shazamgrrl says, this isn't a contest --imagine, instead, that you have been asked to make suggestions for a forthcoming trade-paperback anthology to be called The Most W.T.F. Stories Ever Told.
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Candidates for (dis)honorable mentions can be the most bloated story arcs of all time, e.g., The Trial of the Flash, The Spidey-Clone, etc., but candidates for inclusion must be stand-alone (or, more accurately, fall-down-alone) stories.
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"The Irresistible Lois Lane" definitely ought to make the cut. It's my favorite artifact from the Mort Weisinger era because it includes virtually everybody who was anybody in the Superman family (plus The Justice League of America), and because it demonstrates, in eight giddy pages, Weisinger's predilection for Rube Goldberg-ish contrivance.
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Robert Kanigher's "My Buddy, the Dinosaur" (or whatever the title is) also deserves a place on the short list. Some Kanigher story or other does, anyway. Kanigher claims never to have thought ahead when he started writing a story. He seemed not to think back, either, with the result that his stories often not only flatly contradicted one another but contradicted themselves.
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So: we have representative works by the master of Needless Complication and the master of Seat-of-the-Pants Plotting. Surely there's a(n un)worthy story by Roy Thomas, the master of Mind-Numbing Minutiae. And Gerry Conway. And -- well, while you're coming up with your own nominees, I need to go refresh my memory so that I can present the case for Hank Fletcher, aka Fletcher Hanks, the mad genius (or something) responsible for Stardust, the Immortal Wizard.




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Bud Mack, posted January 31, 2002 07:55 AM
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Lois Lane, Black like me!
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Steven Utley, posted January 31, 2002 07:58 AM
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Bud, that's low.





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Lady Obie 33, posted January 31, 2002 08:00 AM
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My biggest WTF is that DC actually used Obsidian as a villain AGAIN in JSA's Darkness Falls (ok, I'm sure at least 2 more of us out there read the GL/Sentinel: Heart of Darkness mini from '98, yep, that was a monumentally bad story too :-P ).
That is just such a DUMB idea.
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I mean look at Obsidian & let's fill in the why he would make a good villian checklist:
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a. He has dark powers (dark = evil) CHECK
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b. He had an abusive childhood CHECK
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c. He has a pessimistic personality CHECK
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But what David Goyer doesn't realize is all those things make the idea of Obsidian being a villian both extremely unsurprising & uninteresting.
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Why couldn't Obie instead have been used as a hero fighting off a shadow-powered villian like Ian Karkull? There are plenty of ways suspense could've been built up in a story like that.
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But I guess that would've been a tad too original.
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Now I'm just sitting around twiddling my thumbs wondering when or if the JSA team will ever strut their stuff & make an interesting HERO out of Obie.
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Stay tuned. In the meantime here's a pillow.





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StuRat, posted January 31, 2002 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Old Dude:
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1. As Fuzzy says, it was a stereotype SO Chinky-Chinaman, that I don't think it was born in the '60s.



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Was it really necessary to use this phrase, even as an ostensibly neutral way of describing how ridiculously stereotyped Egg Fu was? Frankly, the mere description of Egg Fu -- what he looked like, and his goals -- would have been more than sufficient to make your point.
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I'm just surprised that the word wasn't censored -- the DC boards seem to be pretty good about using asterisks when racial and other epithets are used (the "N word" and the "F word," for example). Hell, you can't even type "fus.sy" without having the last five letters bleeped out, because the boards think you're trying to type "pus.sy"...





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Justin League America, posted January 31, 2002 01:43 PM
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Hello,
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Originally posted by Bud Mack:
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Lois Lane, Black like me!



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For those not in the know, this was an issue of Lois Lane, where Superman's girlfriend "Must... [Be] Black for 24 Hours!" Plus, it's title is taken from the name of a pornographic film...





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Steven Utley, posted January 31, 2002 01:52 PM
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No, no, JLA: Black Like Me is the title of a book by John Howard Griffin; I Am Curious (Yellow) is the title of a soft-core porn flick; and the Lois Lane story which Bud Mack cites and which you'll find reprinted in Superman in the Seventies, is called "I Am Curious (Black)."




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Tom Curry, posted January 31, 2002 04:58 PM
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Sometime in the late 70s, there was a Superman issue in which we find out that the real reason no one suspects Supeerman is actually Clark Kent is because Clark is perpetually and unconsciously using super-hypnotism on everyone in the world to make himself seem more thin, frail and nebbishy.
Apparently his glasses -- relics of the window of the rocket that brought him to earth -- magnify his unconscious desire to look different when he's Clark and blah blah blah fishcakes..
I remember reading that as a kid and thinking ... just .... why?
Why bother trying to explain something like that? Has that question really been keeping anyone up nights?
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But I didn't come out and say WTF until the end of the issue, when he got an artist friend to draw a portrait of Clark. We see that:
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1. the super-"I'm a wimp" hypnotism somehow works even on tv and in photography, and
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2. the Clark that everyone in the DC Universe sees when they look at Clark is a cross between David Brinkley and the Love Boat's own Gavin McLeod.





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Steven Utley, posted January 31, 2002 05:21 PM
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Welcome to the DC message boards, Tom.

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When I was a kid, I may have wondered why no one saw the clear physical resemblance between Superman and Clark Kent, but I didn't obsess over it... unlike some other kid who evidently couldn't wait until he grew up and became a real actual funny-book writer and could answer just that burning question.




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heffalump, posted January 31, 2002 05:47 PM
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Someone may be able to confirm this.
But wasn't there a Superman comic that put forward the idea that no one recognises Supes as Clark because when he is in his Superman garb, he carefully vibrates his head at high speed so as to oh-so-slightly blur his features? I really can't think where I read this one and it would take me months to find the offending issue even if I still own it, so I may need to rely on someone else confirming this one.
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The Rob, posted January 31, 2002 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by Steve Chung:
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Electric Superman
Genesis
Worlds At War
Last Laugh (Though I did enjoy the Gotham Knights and JSA issues)
Doomsday
Knightfall
Knight's End (Touchy-feely healing?)
Zero Hour
Millenium Giants



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Look at me, I hate DC





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BearPaws, posted January 31, 2002 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by heffalump
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Someone may be able to confirm this. but wasn't there a Superman comic that put forward the idea that no one recognises Supes as Clark because when he is in his Superman garb, he carefully vibrates his head at high speeds so as to oh-so-slightly blur his features?...



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I think this was proposed in one of the early Byrne issues, for the purpose of no one getting a clear photograph of Superman and doing comparisons later.
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jimmy olsen, posted January 31, 2002 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by heffalump
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Someone may be able to confirm this. but wasn't there a Superman comic that put forward the idea that no one recognises Supes as Clark because when he is in his Superman garb, he carefully vibrates his head at high speeds so as to oh-so-slightly blur his features? I really can't think where I read this one and it would take me months to find the offending issue even if I still own it, so I may need to rely on someone else confirming this one.



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Yay! Yay! A Superman question! lol....actually that idea, although it might have been put forth before this, was given in John Byrne's revamp of Superman. If you check out those early issues, like possibly the Clark Kent is Superman issue, I believe that is the reason given.
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