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MJ should be talking comeback, not retirementBy Peter May Special to ESPN.com know what the schedule says. I know what Michael has said. You put the two together and -- voila -- you have Instant Story. Tonight is Michael Jordan's final game in Chicago, the city to which he brought six titles and then soon abandoned. Or, depending on your point of view, was unceremoniously and foolishly pushed out the door. Don't be so sure. I have it on tape that Michael has every intention to hang them up after this season. He said it, right to me, unequivocally and without hesitation. He wants to finish out the season and then go on to the next stage of his life, which, of course, would be the previous stage of his life. Why do I have trouble believing him? I have no inside source or mole telling me that Jordan has his fingers tied behind his back when he's speaking. I just go by what I see and what I see in Jordan is the same thing I saw in Karl Malone last fall when the Mailman floated his "retirement" trial balloon and it turned into the Hindenburg. He's still too good to leave. It's that simple. Have you happened to notice what he has done in the month of January? He's averaging over 20 points a game. He's averaging over seven rebounds and five assists a game. He's going to be 40 next month! There is no earthly reason why he shouldn't play next season unless he categorically does not want to or somehow comes down with a crushing injury over the second half of the season. He's been Jordanian durable as well. All those nicks from last season and bouts with tendinitis? They may still be there, but he has yet to miss a game. He even gave up on a chance at the Sixth Man Award by going back into the starting lineup. In a recent game in Boston, surrounded by twentysomethings who think they know how to play, Jordan was, at worst, the second-best player on the floor. You walked away from that game wondering why the guy should retire. We haven't held it against him before when he's done a flip-flop. Why would we do it now? "I'm focused with finishing this year off with no anticipation of playing next year," he said. That was before the Wizards' win in Boston later that night. "You really want to do a lot of things, but you really have to give the young kids a chance to do their thing. I've come to that understanding and I'm ready to walk away from it." In this case, I hope he reconsiders. This is sort of the reverse of what's happened before with him. In 1993, when he retired for the first time, it was pretty much of a shock. There were the Oliver Stone acolytes out there who suspected some sinister undertone and that Jordan, in fact, retired involuntarily at the "suggestion" of higher-ups. He was back in less than two years, even though he swore at the time he'd never play in the United Center. Retirement No. 2 was supposed to be the Perfect Ending. But even with that everlasting memory in his and everyone's mind, he decided to give it another shot after missing three seasons, even though he swore he'd never play in another uniform. People ripped him for being selfish, self-absorbed, needing a life and outright delusional, a sure-to-be-exploited wheezer in the X-Box generation. But he ignored that "advice" and scratched his itch -- or was it itched his scratch? -- and came back anyway. He had his team on the edge of the playoff race last season before going down with an injury. He has them in the playoff picture right now while having substantially improved the team in the offseason. He's 12th in the NBA in steals, even though the 10 of the 11 players ahead of him have played substantially more than he has. He is 16th in field goals made, even though the 15 players ahead of him average as much as six-plus minutes a game more than he does. He is providing invaluable lessons and leadership skills on a daily basis. How can that be a bad thing? I've heard the argument that by sticking around, and wanting to win now, he's retarding the growth of the youngsters and thereby delaying, if not destroying, any chance of rebuilding in Washington. What utter rubbish! For one thing, Kwame Brown -- the youngster who should be developing as Amare Stoudemire already has -- doesn't play the same position. Brown was given ample opportunity to play and play a lot. He simply hasn't earned the time, but it's not Jordan's fault that he hasn't. The object of the game in most places (Denver and Cleveland being the exceptions) is to win. What better lesson for all the kids on the Wizards than to see how that is done, whether the teacher is Jordan or the incorrigible Charles Oakley? Last month, the Wizards were making their final visit of the season to Orlando and there were the usual questions about it being MJ's last game in the city. I remember Shawn Kemp talking about the visit and I remember him being highly skeptical, reminding us that Jordan had retired once or twice before. "I'm still amazed he announced his plans so early." Kemp said. "You learn to never say never with that guy. I still thinks if he gets hot down the stretch and Washington makes a run in the playoffs, he might come back again." In other words, he did a 180 before. Who's to say it won't happen again? One thing is certain: David Stern will find a way to get Jordan on the Eastern Conference team during All-Star weekend. The obvious move would be to replace Vince Carter (if a strained right knee continues to bother him) with MJ -- whereupon Jordan could well end up starting the game. (He'd also be playing for old nemesis Isiah Thomas, which is a story for another day.) Assuming there are fans at the game -- in Atlanta, you can never be sure -- it will be a moving moment when Jordan is introduced. The assumption will be that this will be the All-Star finale for one of the game's greats. There will be standing ovations, video tributes, maybe even some incendiary devices as well. (Firecrackers are cheap down there.) But you know what they say about the word "assume." It makes an ass out of u and me. This is one time that Jordan should take a page out of the Bill Parcells playbook and say that, gee, he really did mean it when he said it. It's one thing to miss the action. It's another thing to be part of the action, a key part. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played efficiently until he was 42, with the Lakers watching his minutes and motions like a hawk. There's no reason Jordan couldn't do the same thing. Unless his game or health deteriorates dramatically, I say, bring him back. Then we could have another year of stories like the ones that we're having now. Peter May, who covers the NBA for the Boston Globe, is a regular contributor to ESPN.com.
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2003-01-25 11:57 AM
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I am so ssick of this egomaniac and the fucking idiots who give two shits about him!
This story monopolized NEWS stations throughout Chicago.
WHY?!?!?
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2003-01-25 2:01 PM
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they always cover people with mob connections!
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2003-01-25 2:25 PM
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
I am so ssick of this egomaniac and the fucking idiots who give two shits about him!
This story monopolized NEWS stations throughout Chicago.
WHY?!?!?
He's the Oprah of basketball.......he'll never go away.
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2003-01-25 2:40 PM
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lets not even mention the fact that hits have been taken on his family for gambling debts....
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2003-01-25 9:46 PM
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
I am so ssick of this egomaniac and the fucking idiots who give two shits about him!
This story monopolized NEWS stations throughout Chicago.
WHY?!?!?
Because fucking idiots like me like to know what's up with the greatest athlete of all-time?
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2003-01-25 9:59 PM
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
lets not even mention the fact that hits have been taken on his family for gambling debts....
Let's not, since you're actually talking about Pete Rose here.
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2003-01-25 10:02 PM
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So its SPORTS news...not HEADLINE news.
Much like the reporting of the "reality" shows on the news.
Besides the fact that this is what...his fifth retirement announcement?
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2003-01-25 10:19 PM
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It happens to be sports news that the average viewer(fucking idiots like me) would give a damn about, so it's reported as 'real' news. Especially in Chicago I'd imagine there's a whole bunch of fucking idiots like me. If the death of Henry Arft is worthy of being reported on CNN, surely MJ is worthy of being reported throughout Chicago?
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2003-01-25 10:30 PM
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Using that logic the top story of the news on Thursday should be Friends...coz "everyone" likes Friends.
Kristogar you aint a fucking idiot...well a least not in this case. You're an avid sports fan and follow Jordan. The dunnies Im talking about are the fat ass fans who sit on their couches and watch the Bulls play and when theyre winning say "We're doing pretty good this year" "we" as if theyre actually ON the team. I dont believe "sports" news has any business in headlines. Jordan retiring for the umpteenth time most especially. Like him or not you gotta admit the ego on this guy and his retirements is really annoying.
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2003-01-25 10:34 PM
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i agree that this shouldnt be headline news. but it should headline the SPORTS section.
like him or not, he IS the greatest basketball player of all-time, so discussions about him generate interest.
personally? i think it was retarded for him to state he was retiring this time at such an early point in the year. for someone who obviously has at least a little trouble making up his own mind, it seems silly that he would state something so conclusive, so early on.
further... like the article states... he's still pretty damn good! more than likely amongst the top 15 players in the entire league, even at this late point in his career. that should at least force him or those in charge of the soon-to-be-losing-everyone-wizards to think about bringing him back.
in his first run... i really just hated the guy. and, truthfully, i cant think of a justification for hating him, other than he was so frickin good and everyone else liked him. i just didnt like him, blindly.
and, thus, i liked when they found out possible mob connections, or his gambling "problems," or alcohol or golfing debts or whatever. it made my negative viewpoints have a reason.
but, after his father died, i felt bad for him. i thought it was horrible, and showed that he valued life's priorities rather than a game (taking a few years off to grieve and be with his family)
... yeah, that whole baseball thing didnt help, but....
when he came back for the second time, i was neutral, i guess.
now that he's back for the THIRD time... i think im kinda routing for him. cuz now, he's the underdog, and i tend to like the underdog out of mutual patheticness.
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2003-01-25 10:35 PM
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(and franta, keep in mind when warren zevon was diagnosed, that was on the front page of the paper, too)
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
Using that logic the top story of the news on Thursday should be Friends...coz "everyone" likes Friends.
I know Friends is #1 in the ratings, but Jordan is far more universally liked. He's a bigger and longer lasting part of American pop culture. Something tells me that MJ will be talked about by casual observers several decades from now, and Friends will not. Kurt Cobain is still headline news--when they released that album and his journals last year, I saw it on headline news. Michael and Kurt are just simply part of our culture, and thus are newsworthy above and beyond their fields.
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Like him or not you gotta admit the ego on this guy and his retirements is really annoying.
I dunno...he seemed pretty humble standing in front of a 4-minute standing ovation in Chicago. His ego really could be a lot bigger than it is...I know if it were me with that talent it would be. As far as his retirements, I wish he'd make up his mind, but I don't find them to be annoying. I could see how somebody else might see it like that, but it's not me. He has trouble letting go of a sport that, the first two times he retired, refused to let him go. In ten years he won't be able to come back, I don't think it's annoying that he doesn't want to be 50 and wishing he just tried one more time when he could.
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2003-01-25 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
(and franta, keep in mind when warren zevon was diagnosed, that was on the front page of the paper, too)
Show me the FRONT page it was on.
The only place I saw it was in the entertainment news.
If it were on the front page it wouldnt belong there for one.
Two its not like this is the fifth or sixth time he was rumored to be dying...
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2003-01-25 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Kristogar Velo:
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
Using that logic the top story of the news on Thursday should be Friends...coz "everyone" likes Friends.
I know Friends is #1 in the ratings, but Jordan is far more universally liked. He's a bigger and longer lasting part of American pop culture. Something tells me that MJ will be talked about by casual observers several decades from now, and Friends will not. Kurt Cobain is still headline news--when they released that album and his journals last year, I saw it on headline news. Michael and Kurt are just simply part of our culture, and thus are newsworthy above and beyond their fields..
American RARELY care whats universally accepted....
I dont hear as much as Kurt Cobain as I do Jordan ever..
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Like him or not you gotta admit the ego on this guy and his retirements is really annoying.
I dunno...he seemed pretty humble standing in front of a 4-minute standing ovation in Chicago. His ego really could be a lot bigger than it is...I know if it were me with that talent it would be. As far as his retirements, I wish he'd make up his mind, but I don't find them to be annoying. I could see how somebody else might see it like that, but it's not me. He has trouble letting go of a sport that, the first two times he retired, refused to let him go. In ten years he won't be able to come back, I don't think it's annoying that he doesn't want to be 50 and wishing he just tried one more time when he could.
Granted he is probably the greatest player alive but dont give me the game wouldnt let him stay away thats just bullshit. If he really wanted to retire he would. If he wanted to stay out of the limelight he could. Prime example Johnny Carson, retired from late TV as king despite everyone wanting him to stay. Hes faded into the background without difficulty.
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Originally posted by Kristogar Velo:
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
lets not even mention the fact that hits have been taken on his family for gambling debts....
Let's not, since you're actually talking about Pete Rose here.
I had no idea Jordans dad was killed because of Pete Rose betting.......i missed that story...
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2003-01-26 12:50 AM
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(and franta, keep in mind when warren zevon was diagnosed, that was on the front page of the paper, too)
Show me the FRONT page it was on.
The only place I saw it was in the entertainment news.
If it were on the front page it wouldnt belong there for one.
Two its not like this is the fifth or sixth time he was rumored to be dying...
that story gets the same front page treatment the jordan story gets... its like a lil teaser, then a "turn to page 50 for full story"
same thing with both concepts on the news -- they'll open with the lil teaser about whats going on during the news for the night, and jordan's story or zevon's will be one of the "headline" blurbs (fitting right in with iraq and actual important stuff).
still, i dont think he should retire (x3). i mean, why would he?
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2003-01-26 12:51 AM
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lets not even mention the fact that hits have been taken on his family for gambling debts....
Let's not, since you're actually talking about Pete Rose here.
Jordan is also a well known gambler but his PR folks cover it up better.
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2003-01-26 1:33 AM
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To all haters... Michael Jordan is the reason basketball still has a wide fan base, both nationally and internationally, and has not sunk to the status hockey is in right now. Fucking Period. I don;t care how much you like, dislike him, whatever. A one-man economic boom like that does NOT get ignored. Now on the flipside, I think he's going to leave this season. Yes, he may still have it in him for one more, but I don't think he would stay in it unless he had a realistic shot at another title, and the Wizards just have too many steps to take. So in the meantime, Fuck Jerry Krause for robbing the best all-round player of the game of three years of his prime career. ![[you sunnuva...]](images/icons/mad.gif)
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2003-01-26 1:40 AM
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lets not even mention the fact that hits have been taken on his family for gambling debts....
Let's not, since you're actually talking about Pete Rose here.
Jordan is also a well known gambler but his PR folks cover it up better.
Franta, guess what? If I had fifty billion dollars and my kids were already guaranteed CAREERS much less educations, I'd gamble the shit outta that too. What does that make him any less of a basketball player or something?
Yeah his PR people cover up lots. You know what else? He's cheated on his wife like three hundred times. He dealt sponsorship to a Republican faction that openly promoted segregation in certain universities because quote "Republicans buy sneakers too." and he may have a love child as well...
But none of that takes away from what he's done for the game of B-Ball. Egomaniac? Fuck yes. What would you be?
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2003-01-26 1:42 AM
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the mob got to you didnt they?
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
Granted he is probably the greatest player alive but dont give me the game wouldnt let him stay away thats just bullshit. If he really wanted to retire he would. If he wanted to stay out of the limelight he could. Prime example Johnny Carson, retired from late TV as king despite everyone wanting him to stay. Hes faded into the background without difficulty.
When Michael first retired, he kept getting asked when he'd return. When he retired the second time, he kept getting asked when he'd return. The three years following his second retirement, there was this specter hanging above the game, where no player could be great without a mention of Michael Jordan, where no team could win without a mention of his Chicago Bulls. My words were "the game refused to let him go." I meant that his presence was never even gone, and don't try to tell me otherwise, I'm too sick of the term 'heir apparent' to listen.
I don't believe Michael could've faded away if he wanted to. After this season, he could try(but I agree that he probably won't want to), but before, I don't think so. John Elway did because football chews up and spits it's stars out anyway, and Mark McGwire did because his game had faded, his record was broken and there were others(Sammy, Barry) to keep the fans' interest. But in basketball, he was still the consensus best when he retired, and the game turned into a huge mess afterwards with the lockout and, in the eyes of the public, spoiled stars that couldn't live up to the past. Michael's latest return has actually helped the league begin to climb out of these holes, but that's another conversation altogether.
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American RARELY care whats universally accepted....
Maybe true, but in Jordan's case they do.
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I dont hear as much as Kurt Cobain as I do Jordan ever..
Well, yeah. I wasn't saying Kurt was/is AS big as Michael, I don't know if anybody is. I was just saying that 8+ years after his death anything relating to Nirvana is still newsworthy.
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I had no idea Jordans dad was killed because of Pete Rose betting.......i missed that story...
![[yuh huh]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif) You miss a lot of things.
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Jordan is also a well known gambler but his PR folks cover it up better.
I know that. Nobody could miss that with all the press it got. What I was saying is that bsams's god is Pete Rose, and he turns around and rips Jordan for gambling. Double standards and hypocrisy and stuff.
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lets not even mention the fact that hits have been taken on his family for gambling debts....
Let's not, since you're actually talking about Pete Rose here.
Jordan is also a well known gambler but his PR folks cover it up better.
Franta, guess what? If I had fifty billion dollars and my kids were already guaranteed CAREERS much less educations, I'd gamble the shit outta that too. What does that make him any less of a basketball player or something?
Yeah his PR people cover up lots. You know what else? He's cheated on his wife like three hundred times. He dealt sponsorship to a Republican faction that openly promoted segregation in certain universities because quote "Republicans buy sneakers too." and he may have a love child as well...
But none of that takes away from what he's done for the game of B-Ball. Egomaniac? Fuck yes. What would you be?
Oooooooh OK.... so he can play basketball so ALL sins can be forgiven!!!
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Michael Jordan is the reason basketball still has a wide fan base, both nationally and internationally, and has not sunk to the status hockey is in right now.
Fucking Period.
I don;t care how much you like, dislike him, whatever. A one-man economic boom like that does NOT get ignored.
Now on the flipside, I think he's going to leave this season. Yes, he may still have it in him for one more, but I don't think he would stay in it unless he had a realistic shot at another title, and the Wizards just have too many steps to take. So in the meantime,
Fuck Jerry Krause for robbing the best all-round player of the game of three years of his prime career.
Big fucking deal...he generated interest in a sport.....
when he cures cancer develops a plan for world peace or hell donates half of his fortune to charity...then Ill be impressed.
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Pete Rose isnt my god I don't even know him....I do know that Jordan plays the media and the Jordan Zombies for all their worth.....
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To all haters...
Michael Jordan is the reason basketball still has a wide fan base, both nationally and internationally, and has not sunk to the status hockey is in right now.
Fucking Period.
I don;t care how much you like, dislike him, whatever. A one-man economic boom like that does NOT get ignored.
Now on the flipside, I think he's going to leave this season. Yes, he may still have it in him for one more, but I don't think he would stay in it unless he had a realistic shot at another title, and the Wizards just have too many steps to take. So in the meantime,
Fuck Jerry Krause for robbing the best all-round player of the game of three years of his prime career.
Big fucking deal...he generated interest in a sport.....
when he cures cancer develops a plan for world peace or hell donates half of his fortune to charity...then Ill be impressed.
lets not forget too he takes takes a multi million dollar endorsement deal from a company that works children 100's of hours a week for pennies a day......dispicable!
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When Michael first retired, he kept getting asked when he'd return.
As I said same with Johnny Carson. But somehow Johnny is able to avoid the lime light, because he doesnt and didnt repeatedly put himself IN the limelight. And yeah I would say that at the height of his popularity he did have the same following of Jordan. He just managed to hide himself instead of returning for specials and retiring time and again.
Jesus, I like the Who but Ive seen like five of their farewell tours enough is enough already...
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
Pete Rose isnt my god I don't even know him....I do know that Jordan plays the media and the Jordan Zombies for all their worth.....
Zactly....seem to be alot of them here!!!
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For the record I would like to state Major League Baseball signed an agreement stating that after a lengthy investigation they had no finding that Pete Rose bet on Baseball.
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2003-01-26 2:10 AM
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
lets not forget too he takes takes a multi million dollar endorsement deal from a company that works children 100's of hours a week for pennies a day......dispicable!
BUT HE SAVED THE GAME!!!!
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2003-01-26 2:13 AM
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
lets not forget too he takes takes a multi million dollar endorsement deal from a company that works children 100's of hours a week for pennies a day......dispicable!
BUT HE SAVED THE GAME!!!!
A true Role Model, he saved an rich countries leisure activity, whilst supporting forced labor on children!
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2003-01-26 2:14 AM
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
For the record I would like to state Major League Baseball signed an agreement stating that after a lengthy investigation they had no finding that Pete Rose bet on Baseball.
Which brings to mind the fact that Jordan had to hide out playing Baseball when he got in trouble for gambling in Basketball...oh wait that was his first "retirement" wasnt it. So big a cover up he got the Looney Toon gang to help (ala Space Jam, whose theme song coincidentally happened to be written by a pedophile).
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2003-01-26 2:15 AM
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
lets not forget too he takes takes a multi million dollar endorsement deal from a company that works children 100's of hours a week for pennies a day......dispicable!
BUT HE SAVED THE GAME!!!!
A true Role Model, he saved an rich countries leisure activity, whilst supporting forced labor on children!
Universally accepted or Universal SNOW JOB!
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2003-01-26 2:17 AM
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
For the record I would like to state Major League Baseball signed an agreement stating that after a lengthy investigation they had no finding that Pete Rose bet on Baseball.
Which brings to mind the fact that Jordan had to hide out playing Baseball when he got in trouble for gambling in Basketball...oh wait that was his first "retirement" wasnt it. So big a cover up he got the Looney Toon gang to help (ala Space Jam, whose theme song coincidentally happened to be written by a pedophile).
I dont care how much money In was offered, I would not endorse a product that abuses children! and i sure wouldnt star in a video by a known pedophile! at least i could sleep at night knowing i saved basketball though!
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2003-01-26 2:21 AM
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Yeah who cares what little respect Jordan has for kids, publiclly he feigns interest but the proof here shows otherwise doesnt it....
But it OK he SAVED BASKETBALL!
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2003-01-26 2:29 AM
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
Big fucking deal...he generated interest in a sport.....
when he cures cancer develops a plan for world peace or hell donates half of his fortune to charity...then Ill be impressed.
...seeing as how NOBODY has done any of that, you're saying that nobody has ever impressed you?
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As I said same with Johnny Carson. But somehow Johnny is able to avoid the lime light, because he doesnt and didnt repeatedly put himself IN the limelight. And yeah I would say that at the height of his popularity he did have the same following of Jordan. He just managed to hide himself instead of returning for specials and retiring time and again.
I totally don't agree that Johnny ever had the same following, but especially not when he quit. He quit when he was old and gave some-40 years to television, naturally making it easier for people to accept. And Jay Leno continued to win the time slot following Carson's departure, so the dropoff in interest wasn't nearly as severe as it was in the NBA(which, unlike The Tonight Show, you no longer see on NBC for this reason). I agree that Jordan has never shied from the spotlight like Carson(who has returned for specials and guest spots, btw), probably never will, but I've yet to be convinced if he could.
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Originally posted by peteroseatemyshorts:
Pete Rose isnt my god I don't even know him....I do know that Jordan plays the media and the Jordan Zombies for all their worth.....
Oh, yeah, and Pete Rose HASN'T DONE THAT AT ALL...nope, he's not taking advantage of being barred from baseball by setting up a merchandise shop just down the road from the Hall of Fame, no sirree...
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Originally posted by prams:
For the record I would like to state Major League Baseball signed an agreement stating that after a lengthy investigation they had no finding that Pete Rose bet on Baseball.
For the record I would like to state that a grand jury found O.J. Simpson not guilty.
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2003-01-26 2:29 AM
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a round inanimate object is FAR more important than children!
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2003-01-26 2:33 AM
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
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Originally posted by La Machine:
To all haters...
Michael Jordan is the reason basketball still has a wide fan base, both nationally and internationally, and has not sunk to the status hockey is in right now.
Fucking Period.
I don;t care how much you like, dislike him, whatever. A one-man economic boom like that does NOT get ignored.
Now on the flipside, I think he's going to leave this season. Yes, he may still have it in him for one more, but I don't think he would stay in it unless he had a realistic shot at another title, and the Wizards just have too many steps to take. So in the meantime,
Fuck Jerry Krause for robbing the best all-round player of the game of three years of his prime career.
Big fucking deal...he generated interest in a sport.....
when he cures cancer develops a plan for world peace or hell donates half of his fortune to charity...then Ill be impressed.
Excuse me.....???
Uhh....what have YOU done in your life? Cure cancer? What the hell kind of standard are you holding for people?
What Jordan did was monumental. He saved MANY MANY people's careers and etched a place for the modern black man in the multi-million dollar world. Without him there wouldn't be Magic's success as an entrepeneur, hence there wouldn't be Arsenio, hence no Hammer, hence no Puff Daddy, hence no BET, hence no .....whatever the name is of the guy who just bought the Charlotte franchise.....on and on. If you don't think that's impressive, or worth anything, you have incredibly incorrect values.
And just so you know, Jordan donated all of his salary these past two seasons to the WTC fund. He has NO source of income from basketball right now, so he's playing the game out of his own pocket, which I think is respectful at least.
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2003-01-26 2:34 AM
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Originally posted by Kristogar Velo:
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
Big fucking deal...he generated interest in a sport.....
when he cures cancer develops a plan for world peace or hell donates half of his fortune to charity...then Ill be impressed.
...seeing as how NOBODY has done any of that, you're saying that nobody has ever impressed you?.
I am not saying NOONE ever impressed me, bsams' wit impresses me almost daily for one example. Its just the way you Jordan Zombies go on and on about him you would think he had done all that stuff.
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2003-01-26 2:36 AM
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
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Originally posted by THE Franta:
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
For the record I would like to state Major League Baseball signed an agreement stating that after a lengthy investigation they had no finding that Pete Rose bet on Baseball.
Which brings to mind the fact that Jordan had to hide out playing Baseball when he got in trouble for gambling in Basketball...oh wait that was his first "retirement" wasnt it. So big a cover up he got the Looney Toon gang to help (ala Space Jam, whose theme song coincidentally happened to be written by a pedophile).
I dont care how much money In was offered, I would not endorse a product that abuses children! and i sure wouldnt star in a video by a known pedophile! at least i could sleep at night knowing i saved basketball though!
That was BEFORE the allegations were ever taken seriously, Captain Research.
EVERYONE has done something very very bad in the entertainment industry. I'm not defending Jordan the person, I'm defending Jordan the basketball player. Again I ask: what does ANY of this have to do with the game of basketball?
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