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erdmann
posted August 06, 2002 06:26 PM
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From "Amazing Heroes" 39 (the 1984 Preview issue):
"Tentatively planned for 1984 is a 'DC Comics Presents Annual" featuring the Teen Titans, written and drawn by regular Titans creative team of Marv Wolfman, George Perez and Romeo Tanghal." Did Wolfman rework this story into the Titans annual that featured the first and only appearance of the Vangaurd?
And:
"Metal Men" (four-issue mini-series)
"The Metal Men, DC's robotic heroes, will be returning in a mini-series in 1984, says their creator Robert Kanigher.
"The mini-series will actually be what Kanigher refers to as 'Metal Men — The Movie' and will involve a dual storyline in which the Metal Men try to attend the premiere of their own movie (the storyline of which will form part of the comic), but aren't allowed in.
"The series will be illustrated by Irv Novick and Kanigher will more or less ignore all the writers who have worked with the characters in the last decade, in favor of returning to his own interpretation."

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Xanadude
posted August 08, 2002 12:26 AM
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When The Daring New Adventures of Supergirl (commonly known as NONE OF TEH ABOVE) was cancelled, a series featuring the adventures of Supergirl and Superboy (in separate adventures, of course - this IS pre-Crisis) was promised (along the lines of teh classic Strange Tales, co-featuring two distince features).
However, we WERE left with several cliffhangers in the Supergirl series - like:

WHAT THE HELL WAS PHIL DECKER HIDING FROM SUPERGIRL THAT SHE COULDN'T FIND OUT?

Seriously -- she's freaking Supergirl. Her boyfriends is hiding a scret from her. Yet, she breaks up with him instead of trying to find out what the problem was....he could be debt to the mob, or Intergang, or whatever....and she never investigated... She just dumped him.

In the last issue of her series, Dick Malverne returned.....never to be referred to again. What up with that?

And did the pre-Crisis Kara ever get to meet with Power Girl, as promised? Nope.....or she did, but only in the Editor's mind....(or in Fanfic)......

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Mirthquake
posted August 08, 2002 01:55 AM
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Quote:

Originally posted by Xanadude:
Before Blue Devil was cancelled, there were plans to take him into a more mystical direction - kind of a non-adult version of Swamp Thing.



I'll confirm this one. Issue #31 of BLUE DEVIL was *supposed to be the start of a whole new direction for the title. It was to have been still FUNNY, but a little darker. The major villian of the piece was Lord Opal from Mishkin and Cohn's "Amethyst" title, tying it in with the big Order/ Chaos War, evidently. The new artist? Well, he went on to pencil "The Question" instead...

And somewhere there is an issue's worth of art just collecting in Barb Kesel's basement...

(heavy sigh.)

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Dr. Midnight 32
posted August 08, 2002 06:55 AM
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Sometimes I think I'm the keeper of the never made stories I'm about to list. Everytime there's a thread about stories like these, what I'm about to write are rarely mentioned by other fans. I'd like to think that each fan holds their knowledge of these untold tales so that they can be passed down to the new fans. They're the fanboy equivalent of verbal history.
- The unmade Wildcat/Captain Marvel team-up mini that had a one page preview in the DCU Heroes Secret Files and Origins. IIRC, it was to be written by Beau Smith, but I forget the artist at this time.

- When Resurrection Man was cancelled, there was a lot of talk about a RM/Forgotten Heroes mini that never materialized. And Mitch has been absent from the DCU ever since.

- In the back of Superman: The Complete History, there's a preview page of an unfinished graphic novel that was to be released soon after.

- Joe Casey in an old Wizard interview talked about his proposed Secret Society of Super Villains pitch to DC. It was going to portray a group of villains in the Elmore Leonard style.

- There's a thread over in the JSA board about what Len Wein would have done if the 90s JSA series had continued. Highlights: Jesse Quick and Kiku would have joined the JSA and the older members would have been phased out over time for the new heroes.

- DC's Tangent line was supposed to have had a summer crossover with the DCU if the event had been popular enough.

- Resurrection Man was supposed to have appeared occasionally in the current JSA series much like The Phantom Stranger did in the old JLofA book, but Goyer and Johns decided against it.

- The first arc of the new JSA series was to have linked Wesley Dodd's death to the Manhunter clones, but that was nixed.

- Originally, Hawkman's return was to have been a central point of a JLA/JSA crossover.

- Obscure Golden Age hero The King was to appear in the second year of JSA, as was Dr. Occult.

- In JSA, Goyer had some unnamed plans for Liberty Belle, but they were obviously never done.

- Also in JSA, there was supposed to be a current day story featuring the Ma Hunkle Red Tornado in a murder mystery in a nursing home before she was killed off-panel in Young Justice.

Here's a few bits I've heard mentioned, but didn't trust the sources too much.

- Frank Miller doing a Year Two Batman story with the intro of his version of Robin, whatever that meant.

- The Wildcat story in the 90s Showcase that was condensed into the only chapter that appeared.

- A JLA/Titans graphic novel by Perez that never showed up.

- A proposed Question mini that was nixed after The Question Returns one-shot didn't do too well.

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bwboy
posted August 08, 2002 07:22 AM
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Quote:

Originally posted by Xanadude:
When The Daring New Adventures of Supergirl (commonly known as NONE OF TEH ABOVE) was cancelled, a series featuring the adventures of Supergirl and Superboy (in separate adventures, of course - this IS pre-Crisis) was promised (along the lines of teh classic Strange Tales, co-featuring two distince features).
However, we WERE left with several cliffhangers in the Supergirl series - like:

WHAT THE HELL WAS PHIL DECKER HIDING FROM SUPERGIRL THAT SHE COULDN'T FIND OUT?

Seriously -- she's freaking Supergirl. Her boyfriends is hiding a scret from her. Yet, she breaks up with him instead of trying to find out what the problem was....he could be debt to the mob, or Intergang, or whatever....and she never investigated... She just dumped him.

In the last issue of her series, Dick Malverne returned.....never to be referred to again. What up with that?

And did the pre-Crisis Kara ever get to meet with Power Girl, as promised? Nope.....or she did, but only in the Editor's mind....(or in Fanfic)......



Dude, I had posted something very similar to your post over at the Other DC Universe Topics- I, too, have always been curious about these questions. Does anyone know if Paul Kupperburg reads this message board? As the writer of that Supergirl series, he'd be the one with the answers!

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erdmann
posted August 08, 2002 11:17 AM
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Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Midnight 32:
- The unmade Wildcat/Captain Marvel team-up mini that had a one page preview in the DCU Heroes Secret Files and Origins. IIRC, it was to be written by Beau Smith, but I forget the artist at this time.
- In the back of Superman: The Complete History, there's a preview page of an unfinished graphic novel that was to be released soon after.



I don't remember the Wildcat/Cap story. Sounds like I need to dig out that copy of Secret Files.
I do remember, however, that page from the Superman graphic novel. I believe it was supposed to focus on the early stages of Clark's romance with Lois and was to feature art by Barry Windsor- Smith! I wonder if we'll ever see it.

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Alaska_Vext
posted August 08, 2002 02:38 PM
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CRISIS ON CAPTIVE EARTH and CRISIS OF THE SOUL....
I knew someone else read the MEANWHILE.. soon after Crisis was pbulished... I am not crazy!! Well maybe a touch

I wish I knew on these follow-ups to the Crisis. I remember CRISIS ON CAPTIVE EARTh was retooled to make LEGENDS, but what of the CRISIS OF THE SOUL? Any info on either of these minis?

I remember waiting and waiting for them to be released when i was a kid...

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The Mirrorball Man
posted August 08, 2002 03:36 PM
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And what about Transmetropolitan's spinoffs, Transoceanic and Transcontinental? Ellis mentioned them once or twice and has apparently abandoned these projects.

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fbalkin
posted August 08, 2002 05:39 PM
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...another late 80s/early 90s "announced" project that never 'happened' was a reunion of Len Wein and Berni Wrightson on SWAMP THING, a two-book prestige format series(allegedly) called SWAMP THING: DEJA VU.
I saw Bernie at San Diego Comic Con and asked him about it, and he said he and Len never quite got together on things.

Wonder why one of the DC editors or publishers started hawkin' this on a text page, then?

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Dr. Midnight 32
posted August 11, 2002 06:09 AM
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Just thought I'd bump this and re-ask about Crisis of the Soul and for other folks to talk about the untold tales they know of.

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Spangles
posted August 11, 2002 09:33 AM
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Quote:

Originally posted by erdmann:
From "Amazing Heroes" 39 (the 1984 Preview issue):
"The mini-series will actually be what Kanigher refers to as 'Metal Men — The Movie' and will involve a dual storyline in which the Metal Men try to attend the premiere of their own movie (the storyline of which will form part of the comic), but aren't allowed in.
"The series will be illustrated by Irv Novick and Kanigher will more or less ignore all the writers who have worked with the characters in the last decade, in favor of returning to his own interpretation."



sigh

THIS they reject, but we got that lump-a-coal mini-series that screwed them up entirely!??!

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Xanadude
posted August 12, 2002 10:42 PM
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Read this weeks' Lying in the Gutters column at comicbookresources.com for some interesting DC titles that never happened - apparently before going to form Image, the Tragic 7 went to DC with proposals for several of their books - and Rob's take on Teen Titans ultimately became Youngblood - check out the early Youngblood and you'll see direct analogues to the then-current Titans. This is kinda ironic because, as we know, when Alan Moore took over Youngblood, he based it on (tuh-duh) Marv and George's Titans, with several direct analogues to the Titans of that time.

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Food Eater Lad
posted August 13, 2002 02:44 AM
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In Fantastic Four, didnt they hint at A GAlactus Returns story? One that shows the universe needs him, and now that he is dead, we are all in great peril?

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datalore
posted August 13, 2002 08:49 AM
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I think Jerry Ordway had planned a Huntress mini (pre-Crisis), that was to guest Nightshade? (But, that got nixed as Huntress didn't survive Crisis...and, if memory serves, Jerry found out by getting the pages to ink, or was called by George when he got the pages to pencil...)
Sigh...


Or what of the weekly comics we were to get after Crisis, with Peacemaker (by Giffen), Captain Atom (pre-all silver look?)...

Not to mention some Secret Origins (Judomaster springs to mind...)

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erdmann
posted August 13, 2002 10:27 AM
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For a little more on the Ordway Huntress mini, check out this JSA thread (which was inspired by this one): http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum18/HTML/009665.html
I forget which (Nighshade, perhaps?), but I seem to remember one of the Charlton strips was to be drawn by Paul Chadwick.

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Xanadude
posted August 13, 2002 10:56 PM
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Secret Origins was supposed to feature, in one of it's first three "modern age" stories (the issues alternated between golden age and modern age origins before going to a larger format that features both)Jericho was supposed to be featured right after Firestorm. It never appeared.
Amethyst was supposed to go down a much darker path under Giffen...instead it got cancelled.... until Keith brought her back in Fate. And, although I like some of Keith's ideas, darkening Amethyst was NOT a good idea.

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Xanadude
posted August 14, 2002 03:23 PM
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Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew actually started as SuperSquirrel and the Justa Lotta Animals, but, because the characters would not be able to marketed or shopped to Saturday animation (since they were, in essence, spin-off or subsidiary characters of Superman, etc), they were scrapped and the Zoo Crew was created.
Originally, the Zoo Crew were to be called either the Critter Commandos (until someone pointed out that DC was currently publishing the Creature Commandos) or Critters, Incorporated (years before Roy's Infinity, Inc. -- he does like to recycle ideas, doesn't he?).

Also the Crew would not have PigIron in it (he was slated to be a villain), but have two other members: Big Cheese, the Enor-Mouse, and Whirli-Bird.

Big Cheese eventually became Little Cheese and joined in the last few issues, while Whirli-Bird never appeared at all.

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outpost2
posted August 15, 2002 12:46 AM
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Bump.

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VaughnN
posted August 15, 2002 04:57 AM
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How about The Kingdom, the ongoing series by Mark Waid and Gene Ha? It sounded so promising but it just faded away. I think the 5th week event took its place, or were they both supposed to be published?
I remember talk of Steve Englehart returning to Batman in the mid 80's. IIRC, he and Denny O'Neil didn't agree over the direction and so it never got off the ground.

Back to the early 80's now. There was a proposed crossover between Brave & Bold, DC Comics Presents and World's Finest, all featuring the Titans. I think it was all going to be by Wolfman and Perez and it was going to introduce a new, female Wildcat (which has been discussed on another thread, but I can't remember where, sorry). It was abandoned because TPTB didn't want to overexpose the Titans. Ah, what scruples they had back then.

This from Jones & Jacob's The Comic Book Heroes. After the Fouth World titles got canned, Jack Kirby was interested in Captain Marvel. I think DC had the rights then, but had not done anything with him yet. Jack just wanted to edit it, but wouldn't an all Kirby Shazam have been pretty cool?

Not strictly a comic series, but an old Meanwhile column mentioned Terry Gilliam doing a film version of Watchmen. A dubious prospect perhaps. But if anyone has seen Brazil, Gilliam does skewed realities pretty well. It would have at least looked good.

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TyphoidDave
posted August 15, 2002 05:06 AM
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Everyone knows the story of how Nightcrawler was slated for Legionairres, I think.
I understand that the pages to the originally planned JLA v Avengers, drawn by Perez, are now owned by Rob Liefeld. Anyone know the plot?

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BlackCondorRK
posted August 15, 2002 10:36 AM
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I read the 'Blasters Special' few days ago. It was a spin off oneshot from the Invasion! crossover.
In the editorial column they mentioned the release of a DCU Guide to extraterristals.

Am I right in thinking this never came out?

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FreedomFighter
posted August 15, 2002 11:52 AM
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Quote:

Only one issue of "Mob" was published. For more information on the book, check out: http://twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/16mob.html



I was just going through (organizing the mess that is) my old comics and found that I have this magazine. My brother must've bought it before I started collecting. Very cool

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datalore
posted August 15, 2002 12:16 PM
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Remember when DC put a few pages of the Who's Who in the backs of Annuals?

We were suppose to get a Checkmate! annual ALL Who's Who pages (And, as hard as it was to figure these folks out sometimes, THAT would have been GREAT!)

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mmkk
posted August 15, 2002 07:13 PM
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I remember reading in the Amazing World of DC Comics #14 (I believe it was in there) that Steve Englehart was supposed to write a full lengthed 80 page story featuring every member of the Batman Family. Since this was announced in 1977, I would believe that the story would have featured Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Man-Bat, Batwoman, Bat-Girl, the earth-2 Batman, Robin and possibly the Huntress. Those were the active members of the Batman Family in 1977.
Remeber FiveStar Super Hero Spectacular, the one shot that came out in 1977? I remember reading that a follow up was supposed to happen but never did. I also remember reading somewhere that there was supposed to be a new Dollar comic back then called "DC Super Hero SPectacular" (something along those lines) that was supposed to have been an anthology book. It never happened though.

Remember when Jim Starlin wrote Batman and Jason TOdd was killed. I read an interview with him and he said that he had started to write a Two-Face story that was supposed to be very grisly but since he got fired from Batman it was never completed.

Ever wonder how many stories are sitting in the file cabinets in DC's (or Marvel's) offices that are very good but have not been drawn or fully written. When the Thing/SheHulk one shot came out a few months ago I thought "This was a nice story." It was nothing award winning but a nice entertaining tale. How many other stories like that are sitting around waiting to be published.

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peattied
posted August 15, 2002 11:25 PM
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Boy, if that isn't a topic to think about...how many stories there are in the vaults that never got finished for one reason or another. In fact, let me add a few more for y'all to contend with.
1.) In a recent issue of his ALTER EGO magazine, Roy Thomas discusses his find (and subsequent purchase) of a Golden Age Wonder Woman story featuring WW's first battle with a villain called Nuclear, who later made what would have been his second appearance in WONDER WOMAN (1st series) # 42. In fact, that story is even called "Nuclear Returns!" and alludes to the earlier story that was never actually published! (And for the record, Roy used Nuclear himself in a two-part ALL STAR SQUADRON years later.)

2.) Back when Will Payton was the reigning STARMAN, a 46th issue of his title was solicited but never came out. Presumably, this could still be published at some time, since it must have been near completion or it couldn't have been solicited.

3.) A late 1977 issue of THE COMIC READER reported that Len Wein, who was writing the BATMAN book at the time, had stories in the works that would have featured the Terrible Trio and Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Neither story ever saw the light of day. Wein himself told me later at a con that he still has the plots in his files for them both, and numerous other long-gone villain comebacks besides.

4.) Another issue of THE COMIC READER reported a Wein-authored story in the works that would team Superman with Brother Power, the Geek in DC COMICS PRESENTS, while Robert Loren Fleming was supposed to be working on an issue of DCCP that would team Superman with his Thriller characters. Neither of those ever came to pass.

5.) During the time in the 1970's when the Wonder Woman book, and her companion series in WORLD'S FINEST, were set in World War II like the Lynda Carter tv show, Gerry Conway had a plotline in the works where Golden Age villainess Dr. Poison was to have returned. There is even reference to it in WONDER WOMAN (1st) #'s 237-38. Sometime later, Conway's replacement, Jack C. Harris, made mention of a pending story where Wonder Woman would meet the Blackhawks.

Later still, when the tv show and the comics had gone back to present-day setting, Harris promised that a story where Wonder Woman met Isis was in the works. (DC had the rights to do ISIS comics in those days.) Again, none of these ever showed up.

6.) In the mid-1970's, when the Joker had his own book, Marty Pasko was supposed to have done a three-part story for #'s 10-12 where the Joker took on the entire JLA. The book was cancelled with #9, and apparently, the story was never finished or drawn.

And those are just ones where word of them has leaked out in the fan press. Imagine how much more there has to be that we've never even heard about!

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Xanadude
posted August 16, 2002 02:19 PM
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Not really a squelched story, but in the DC Preview #2, the JL Detroit were featured for the first time, and Vixen has wearing a mask, which, when the stories were published, was gone.
And Conway has stated that Vixen was to be added to the JLA in the satellite days, but the team eventually morphed in to JL Detroit.

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rufusTfirefly
posted August 16, 2002 10:19 PM
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To see Jack Kirby's version of Captain Marvel, check out the Shazam Archives Vol 2...Very young Jack Kirby...
I think Rob Liefeld either recently sold the JLA/Avengers art, or was shopping it around...Maybe the guy's got money problems...I remember Steve Englehart also being slated to take over Daredevil in the mid-eighties, right after Frank Miller's second run. He was gonna move Matt Murdock out to San Francisco and have him join Englehart's West Coast Avengers line-up (WTF??!?!?!?!?!?!?)...

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Kamandi2
posted August 16, 2002 10:19 PM
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After the DC Implosion, Kamandi was supposed to be the back up feature in Warlord. It was announced as coming soon on the letters page of issue 46 or 47 as coming soon. It was shelved for some unknown reason.

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Kindred
posted August 17, 2002 01:01 AM
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Quote:

Originally posted by mmkk:
I remember reading in the Amazing World of DC Comics #14 (I believe it was in there) that Steve Englehart was supposed to write a full lengthed 80 page story featuring every member of the Batman Family. Since this was announced in 1977, I would believe that the story would have featured Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Man-Bat, Batwoman, Bat-Girl, the earth-2 Batman, Robin and possibly the Huntress. Those were the active members of the Batman Family in 1977.
Remeber FiveStar Super Hero Spectacular, the one shot that came out in 1977? I remember reading that a follow up was supposed to happen but never did. I also remember reading somewhere that there was supposed to be a new Dollar comic back then called "DC Super Hero SPectacular" (something along those lines) that was supposed to have been an anthology book. It never happened though.

Remember when Jim Starlin wrote Batman and Jason TOdd was killed. I read an interview with him and he said that he had started to write a Two-Face story that was supposed to be very grisly but since he got fired from Batman it was never completed.

Ever wonder how many stories are sitting in the file cabinets in DC's (or Marvel's) offices that are very good but have not been drawn or fully written. When the Thing/SheHulk one shot came out a few months ago I thought "This was a nice story." It was nothing award winning but a nice entertaining tale. How many other stories like that are sitting around waiting to be published.



There was a book called Four Star Spectacular. I have a couple of issues it was an anthology and Featured Wonder Woman and Superman among others.

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casselmm47
posted August 18, 2002 04:24 PM
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Quote:

Originally posted by Kindred:
There was a book called Four Star Spectacular. I have a couple of issues it was an anthology and Featured Wonder Woman and Superman among others.



That series predated the 'Five Star' one shot from '77. F*S ran from March/April 1976 to January/ February 1977, 6 issues total.

The 'Five Star' revival I think they were alluding to was from a centerspread ad that ran in mid- 1979 that also advertised the Jonah Hex digest, Time Warp, the World of Krypton mini, the Secret Origins digest, and All-Out War.

Cass

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Dr. Midnight 32
posted August 28, 2002 03:56 AM
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Does anyone else remember hearing something about a continuation of the Tangent line?
Alter Ego occasionally spotlights a never told Golden Age JSA tale, The Will of William Wilson.

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datalore
posted August 28, 2002 09:09 AM
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Quote:

Originally posted by Xanadude:
Not really a squelched story, but in the DC Preview #2, the JL Detroit were featured for the first time, and Vixen has wearing a mask, which, when the stories were published, was gone.
And Conway has stated that Vixen was to be added to the JLA in the satellite days, but the team eventually morphed in to JL Detroit.



Vixen was also originally slated to join the JLA in 217 or thereabouts, WITHOUT the dissolution of the original team (right after the "Atom microverse" story...) Never happened...

As for that Joker 10-12, rumor had it that 10 was either completed or at least in rough stages, and featured the Joker vs. the Justice League (And that at least that first issue COULD have been finished and put in the Joker's greatest stories, but instead, we got the Creeper tale...)


I also remember hearing that, at one time, Firestorm was suppose to go on past 100...sort of following the adventures of BOTH Ronnie and the Professor (we get HINTS of a slight bit in War of the Gods...but NOT much...)

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mdm2995
posted August 28, 2002 09:22 AM
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Four-Star Spectacular was a reprint giant that ran from 1976 to 1977 and featured Superboy and Wonder Woman. Five-Star Super-Hero Spectacular was a one-shot, all-new anthology in the summer of 1977. In mid-1979, DC was planning to switch World's Finest from dollar-sized to regular-sized, and was moving its jettisoned features to a new Five-Star Super-Hero Spectacular dollar comic(later called DC Super-Hero Spectacular.) At the last minute, they checked WF's sales figures and changed their minds, leaving it as it was and cancelling DCSHS.

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mdm2995
posted August 28, 2002 10:37 AM
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*bump*

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Michael Bise
posted August 28, 2002 11:21 AM
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I LOVED the Dollar Comic-era of WORLD'S FINEST! Especially the Rich Buckler Superman/Batman stories.
Wasn't the NEW GODS tale from the cancelled series? Gotta love that Don Newton art!!!!

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casselmm47
posted August 28, 2002 02:40 PM
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Quote:

Originally posted by Michael Bise:
I LOVED the Dollar Comic-era of WORLD'S FINEST! Especially the Rich Buckler Superman/Batman stories.
Wasn't the NEW GODS tale from the cancelled series? Gotta love that Don Newton art!!!!



What would have been Return of the New Gods #20 was cut into two and ran in Adventure Comics # 459 and 460, the first Dollar issues of that title.

I'd totally forgotten how they were going to 'down-size' WFC back in '79 to make way for the Five- Star title. IIRC, that occured the month that the ads started to creep back into the Dollar Comics (after a year of no ads, wraparound covers and lettercolumns on the inside back/front cover). Good jog to the memory!

Cass

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Xanadude
posted August 30, 2002 09:12 PM
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Art Theibert has a Nighwing mini-series that was supposed to come out at the time of the expansion of the "Titans Universe" (Titans West, Hybrid, and a bunch of minis - the only thing that came out was Team Titans).
Anyways, Starfire would be getting a new costume, and, its a good thing too, since she was supposed to spend most the mini in a coma - Nightwing would be tracking down her attempted murderer.

Again, seriously glad this one didn't - I for one am so friggin sick of stories that motivate the hero by crippling the heroine. I reached the breaking point after the Longbow Hunters....

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mmkk
posted August 31, 2002 08:51 PM
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There was supposed to be a Secret Origins Annual that was supposed to have both the post Crisis origins of the JLA and the JSA. Well, those stories did appear in Secret ORigins #31 and 32.
However, there was also supposed to be a short story that would have revealed what JLA/JSA team ups were still a part of post Crisis Continuity. I always waned to know what ones "made the cut" and what ones did not. Perhaps this falls JLA/JSA secret Files will reveal that.

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Kindred
posted September 01, 2002 01:34 AM
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Wasn't there supposed to be a third WildCat/Bat Family team up mini??

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Dr. Midnight 32
posted September 01, 2002 09:55 AM
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Kindred, as far as I know, that third Wildcat mini was to team him up with Captain Marvel. I remeber that from the one page preview in the DCU Heroes SF&O, where'd you get your info?