RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Hillary in 2008

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wannabuyamonkey said:
Since you believe tha base is unified (unlike the divided Republicans) Where exactly do Democrats stand on the war or even Impeachment for that matter? You wanna see Republican unity... just play teh impeachment / Cesure card.

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and the outdreak of civil war makes that a real longshot

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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and the outdreak of civil war makes that a real longshot

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What civil war is this? Or are you just prjecting wishfull thinking?

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I'm sorry WBAM. I didn't know you hadn't been told.

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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and the outdreak of civil war makes that a real longshot

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What civil war is this? Or are you just prjecting wishfull thinking?

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wannabuyamonkey said:
Sounds like someone got up on the bitchy side of the bed this morning...... n offense, dude*.






* When someone says "no offense" what they mean is that they are going to say something that will hopefully offend you.

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Animalman said:
No offense, dude, but you're really no good at sarcasm. I think you need to get a new schtick.

Whatever happened to Howard Dean? Is he done?

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while I was being critical, I was trying to do it in a friendly fashion. I just don't think you pull of sarcasm very well. For one, you overuse it. You also do it waaaay too over the top. Then, of course, there's your spelling.

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magicjay38 said:
Her opponents are assembling the circular firing squad to deal with this outrage. If you think the Iraq war has lost support now, think what it will be in 2008. The Dems are blameless in the whole affair. It was a Republican President and Congress that started it all. Barring a sudden victory on the ground, and the outdreak of civil war makes that a real longshot, the Repub nominee is going to be looking a lot like Hubert Humphrey in 1968.

I think Hillary's strategy is to sit back and let the right fuck itself. The Dems are blameless in the war.

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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and the outdreak of civil war makes that a real longshot

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What civil war is this? Or are you just prjecting wishfull thinking?

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After being surprised by her husband's role in the Dubai ports deal, Sen. Hillary Clinton has insisted that Bill Clinton give her 'final say' over what he says and does, well-placed sources said.

The former President agreed to give his wife a veto to avoid his habit of making controversial headlines that could hurt her chances of returning to the White House.

"He knows it's Hillary's time now," said an adviser close to both Clintons who expects to play a key role in her likely 2008 presidential campaign.

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Matter-eater Man said:
That read pretty much like a National Enquirer "news" article.

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the G-man HAD ALREADY said:
Perhaps this is more gossip than news

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the G-man said:

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Matter-eater Man said:
That read pretty much like a National Enquirer "news" article.

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the G-man HAD ALREADY said:
Perhaps this is more gossip than news

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And we agree. You did however go on as if it were true. While I'm sure our ex-President is supportive of his wife, I would guess he'll be less scripted than our current President (much less the First Lady) is now

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the G-man said:
I never said it was not true, only that the report seemed gossipy.

In fact, according to the most recent reports, Bill is now flip flopping on his support for the Dubai port deal, claiming, weeks after the fact, that the news reports were wrong.

This flip flop may be a mere coincidence, but the timing of it seems to confirm, at least superficially, that Hillary did get Veto power over his statements after all.

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Mr Clinton's spokesman said: "President Clinton is the former president of the US and as such receives many calls from world leaders and leading figures every week. About two weeks ago, the Dubai leaders called him and he suggested that they submit to the full and regular scrutiny process and that they should put maximum safeguards and security into any port proposal."

He added that Mr Clinton supported his wife's position on the deal and that "ideally" state-owned companies would not own US port operations.

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MSNBC

This was from March 2nd so the timing isn't superficial. Your sources may want to do some fact checking

A year ago Hillary Clinton said the electronic entertainment kids enjoy is "a kind of contagion," a "silent epidemic" threatening "long-term public health damage to many, many children and therefore to society." Now she wants to find out if it's a problem.

This month a Senate committee approved a bill sponsored by the junior senator from New York that authorizes government-funded research on "the effects of viewing and using electronic media, including television, computers, video games, and the Internet, on children's cognitive, social, physical, and psychological development." Fittingly, since Clinton likens these diversions to a plague, the research would be overseen by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Last year Clinton claimed "we have this data that demonstrates there is a clear public health connection between exposure to [depictions of] violence and increased aggression." This year, explaining why she wants to spend taxpayers' money on more studies, she sounds less confident, saying "we need to better understand the effect of the constant barrage of media on our children."

Before a single CDC grantee has begun research to confirm there's a problem, Clinton already has proposed a solution: the Family Entertainment Protection Act (FEPA), which would make it a federal crime to sell anyone under the age of 17 video games with "mature" or "adults only" ratings. FEPA also would instruct the Federal Trade Commission to evaluate the industry's rating system, conduct secret annual audits of retailers, investigate "hidden" game content, and collect consumer complaints about ratings and content descriptions.

Upon introducing FEPA in December, Clinton and her co-sponsors claimed "parents are struggling to keep up with being informed about [video game] content." Yet all they have to do is look at the box or check titles at the Web site of the Entertainment Software Ratings Board. Newer game systems even allow automatic blocking of titles with parent-specified ratings.

Thierer argues the threat of fines or criminal charges for failing to keep M-rated games away from minors could lead game developers to stop rating their products, in which case Congress would respond by establishing a mandatory government-run labeling system. Such content regulation would go even further than state laws restricting video games, all of which have been overturned on First Amendment grounds, largely because courts rejected Clinton's assertion of "a clear...connection" between video games and anti-social behavior.

Clinton complains that "young people are able to purchase [violent and sexually explicit] games with relative ease." While it's true retailers usually sell M-rated games to the FTC's 13-to-16-year-old "mystery shoppers," Thierer cites survey data indicating that "92 percent of the time parents are present when games are purchased or rented." Present or not, parents have the power of the purse strings, especially with products that cost $40 to $60 each.

As with sex and violence on television, which the mandatory but rarely used "V chip" was supposed to block, Clinton's real complaint is not that parents don't have the power they need. It's that they're not using it the way she thinks they should.

Anti-war protesters interrupted Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's speech at Brown University last night by heckling her for four minutes before police escorted them out of the auditorium.

Clinton was about eight minutes into her speech, "Women Leaders," when an unidentified man stood and shouted: "Is it leadership to support the war?"

He was quickly joined by two other hecklers as he stood on his seat and continued to criticize Clinton for her vote to authorize the U.S. invasion of Iraq and her subsequent votes to fund the war.

Before the speech, about 70 protesters rallied outside the auditorium and said they targeted Clinton because her votes on the war mirror the Bush administration's policies despite her being considered the front-runner among Democratic presidential hopefuls in 2008.

A donation to Sen. Hillary Clinton can be the gift that keeps on giving.

That's because New York's celebrity senator uses one of the least-known but most common political fund-raising ploys that helps squeeze every last cent from her prolific hat-passing: She sells the names of donors.

Since Clinton won office, her election committee, Friends of Hillary, and her political action committee, HILLPAC, have earned at least $340,000 renting donor lists, according to a review of federal election records.

The idea that Clinton is selling donor information could raise eyebrows, and few people in the industry were willing to talk about the practice on the record, even generally, apparently concerned it appears unsavory to a public unaware of the practice.

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Matter-eater Man said:
G-man perhaps you would like to comment how this is different than other candidates. Do you feel it's worse than say Bush having his campaigners get the names of entire church congregations?

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least-known but most common political fund-raising ploys

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...In fact, list brokerage is traditionally a right-wing stronghold, originating in evangelical Christian marketing of conservative causes.
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the G-man said:
Hillary tries to shield "our children" from the video game plague

A year ago Hillary Clinton said the electronic entertainment kids enjoy is "a kind of contagion," a "silent epidemic" threatening "long-term public health damage to many, many children and therefore to society." Now she wants to find out if it's a problem.

This month a Senate committee approved a bill sponsored by the junior senator from New York that authorizes government-funded research on "the effects of viewing and using electronic media, including television, computers, video games, and the Internet, on children's cognitive, social, physical, and psychological development." Fittingly, since Clinton likens these diversions to a plague, the research would be overseen by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Last year Clinton claimed "we have this data that demonstrates there is a clear public health connection between exposure to [depictions of] violence and increased aggression." This year, explaining why she wants to spend taxpayers' money on more studies, she sounds less confident, saying "we need to better understand the effect of the constant barrage of media on our children."

Before a single CDC grantee has begun research to confirm there's a problem, Clinton already has proposed a solution: the Family Entertainment Protection Act (FEPA), which would make it a federal crime to sell anyone under the age of 17 video games with "mature" or "adults only" ratings. FEPA also would instruct the Federal Trade Commission to evaluate the industry's rating system, conduct secret annual audits of retailers, investigate "hidden" game content, and collect consumer complaints about ratings and content descriptions.

Upon introducing FEPA in December, Clinton and her co-sponsors claimed "parents are struggling to keep up with being informed about [video game] content." Yet all they have to do is look at the box or check titles at the Web site of the Entertainment Software Ratings Board. Newer game systems even allow automatic blocking of titles with parent-specified ratings.

Thierer argues the threat of fines or criminal charges for failing to keep M-rated games away from minors could lead game developers to stop rating their products, in which case Congress would respond by establishing a mandatory government-run labeling system. Such content regulation would go even further than state laws restricting video games, all of which have been overturned on First Amendment grounds, largely because courts rejected Clinton's assertion of "a clear...connection" between video games and anti-social behavior.

Clinton complains that "young people are able to purchase [violent and sexually explicit] games with relative ease." While it's true retailers usually sell M-rated games to the FTC's 13-to-16-year-old "mystery shoppers," Thierer cites survey data indicating that "92 percent of the time parents are present when games are purchased or rented." Present or not, parents have the power of the purse strings, especially with products that cost $40 to $60 each.

As with sex and violence on television, which the mandatory but rarely used "V chip" was supposed to block, Clinton's real complaint is not that parents don't have the power they need. It's that they're not using it the way she thinks they should.

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r3x29yz4a said:

Well, maybe parents shouldn't bitch about the stuff their kids are seeing. No politician pulls an issue out of their ass, they hear from voters.
All this shit is due to whiny soccer moms who can't tell their kid not to get GTA, so they want the government to make it illegal for them to buy it.

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magicjay38 said:

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r3x29yz4a said:

Well, maybe parents shouldn't bitch about the stuff their kids are seeing. No politician pulls an issue out of their ass, they hear from voters.
All this shit is due to whiny soccer moms who can't tell their kid not to get GTA, so they want the government to make it illegal for them to buy it.

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This has been going on since the dawn of mass entertainment. People feel they're losing control of their kids and seek someway to prevent the corrupting influences of mass culture.

Video games are the latest threat to America's youth. It wasn't that long ago that they wanted ban comic books! This fear has given us the Hayes Code, MPAA ratings, V-chips, warning labels on music and on and on. Has any of these attempts been succesful?

Kids rebel against their parents. They declare their independence by doing thing their elders don't like (Rock & Roll).


Tony Soprano to Carmella, "If these kids ever find out how powerless we are, we're fucked!".

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Sen. Clinton Says Bush Has Charm, Charisma

WASHINGTON - Asked to say one nice thing about President Bush, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton went one better: She named two things.

"He is someone who has a lot of charm and charisma, and I think in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I was very grateful to him for his support for New York," Clinton said Tuesday night during a talk at the National Archives about her life in politics.

Clinton, a potential presidential candidate in 2008, said that despite their "many disagreements about many, many issues," she has always had a good personal relationship with the president.

"He's been very willing to talk. He's been affable. He's been good company," said Clinton, D-N.Y.

The junior senator from New York, who is up for re-election this year, said she is still thankful for Bush's personal commitment to helping rebuild lower Manhattan after Sept. 11, 2001.

She recalled how the president, in the grim days that followed the terror attacks, pledged in a private meeting with New York lawmakers to help rebuild the shattered city.

"It was a very personal, very emotional discussion and when we asked him for the help that New York needed he immediately said yes," said Clinton.

At that meeting, Bush pledged more than $20 billion in aid and tax incentives. Some New York Democrats have since charged the Bush administration has fallen billions of dollars short of that goal because some of the programs were underused, but Clinton said the president kept his promise.

"He always kept it on track," she said. "He made sure we got the resources that we needed and I'm very grateful to him for that. ... I am very appreciative in the time when the people I represented needed his help, he was there for us."

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STATEMENT OF SENATOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ON NET NEUTRALITY

Washington, DC – “I support net neutrality. The open architecture of the Internet has been the critical element that has made it the most revolutionary communications medium since the advent of the television.

Each day on the Internet views are discussed and debated in an open forum without fear of censorship or reprisal. The Internet as we know it does not discriminate among its users. It does not decide who can enter its marketplace and it does not pick which views can be heard and which ones silenced. It is the embodiment of the fundamental democratic principles upon which our nation has thrived for hundreds of years.

I have always, and will continue to strongly and unequivocally support these principles. As I have worked throughout my Senate career to make broadband access readily available throughout New York State and our nation, I believe that maintaining an open Internet coupled with more broadband access is necessary if we are to meet the promise and the potential of the Internet to disseminate ideas and information, enhance learning, education and business opportunities for all Americans and improve and uplift our citizenry.

We must embrace an open and non-discriminatory framework for the Internet of the 21st century. Therefore, it is my intention to be an original cosponsor of the Dorgan and Snowe net neutrality legislation to ensure that open, unimpaired and unencumbered Internet access for both its users and content providers is preserved as Congress debates the overhaul of our nation’s telecommunications laws. Any effort to fundamentally alter the inherently democratic structure of the Internet must be rejected.

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Hailing Gore a 'committed visionary,' Clinton unveils plan to reduce oil imports by 50%

In an appearance before the National Press Club today, Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) called for a reduction of U.S. oil imports of 50% by 2025, RAW STORY has learned.

The remarks include Clinton's strongest language yet on the topics of oil dependence and climate change. As inspiration, Clinton even inserted a plug for Al Gore's new documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," proclaiming the former Vice President as a "committed visionary" on the subject of global warming.

To back this push, Clinton called for the creation of a "Strategic Energy Fund," which would place a two year fee on major oil company profits that exceed a 2000-2004 profit baseline. Companies could offset their fee by investing in refinery capacity, ethanol production, or alternative energy such as wind-generated electricity. The proposal also eliminates oil company tax breaks and calls on companies to pay what Clinton calls their "fair share" of royalties for drilling on public lands.

Clinton's office believes the fund could would raise more than $50 billion for research, development and deployment of new energy technologies. Targeted technologies include hybrid and alternative vehicles, renewable energy, biofuels, and supporting infrastructure.
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