RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Hillary in 2008

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the G-man said:
Welcome back, MEM. I see the email notification you get whenever someone posts to this thread still works.

Is signing up for notifications your own idea, or the Clinton staff's BTW?

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Says the guy who ends each post with a campaign sign for Rudy.

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the G-man said:
When Chelsea Clinton was six years old, her parents used to make her cry in hopes that they could make her tough.

Dad was in the middle of an especially ugly re-election fight, his enemies were drawing blood, and so they all tried a game at the dinner table: Chelsea would pretend that she was her father, making speeches about why people should vote for her, and then he would attack her, say really mean things, so she would learn to protect herself.

At first the exercises reduced the little girl to tears: "Why would anybody say things like that?" But after a while, Hillary later wrote, "she gradually gained mastery over her emotions"; she came to understand people's dark motives; and, finally, she would come back fighting, fully prepared to handle the wicked lies that enemies might tell.

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Matter-eater Man said:
There really isn't a good excuse for talking to [a] girl like that IMHO.

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the G-man said:
...MEM keeps telling us on the Rudy thread that being a bad parent disqualifies a presidential candidate...[so] tell us how intentionally making a six year old cry is somehow better than going through a divorce or having a disagreement with your ADULT children (you know, all the things you say make Rudy an unfit parent)....you really want to stick with the premise that a democrat intentionally making a six year old cry is somehow better than a republican going through a divorce or having a disagreement with his ADULT children?

That's kind of...well...pathetic.

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Matter-eater Man said:
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Chelsea has said her folks were firm but fair. She actually gets to see them. Rudy's kids say "Where's daddy? "

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By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY
FORT DRUM, N.Y. — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says the pain and turmoil of her White House years don't discourage her in the least as she wages a campaign she hopes will bring her back to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

"I've decided this country is worth fighting for," she said, adding she is "distraught" about the last six years under President Bush.

In a half-hour interview this week at the home of the Army's 10th Mountain Division, Clinton discussed her revised approach to health care reform and her daughter's view of her presidential aspirations. She also talked of why, after eight tumultuous years as first lady, she wants to return to the White House.


Contemplating possible slings and arrows on the campaign trail, she said, "So what, people are going to say something bad about me?" She burst out laughing. "I mean really. I mean look. I understand how contentious American politics is. And why? Because there are big things at stake."

Clinton said she doesn't take attacks personally or lie awake fretting. "I'm sorry to tell you this, I do not … Maybe because I've been at it for so long. And because I understand it's a perverse form of flattery. If people didn't take you seriously, they wouldn't be attacking you."

Clinton dismissed the idea that decades of alternating Bush and Clinton presidencies is unhealthy. "What's healthy for the country is to have a candidate who brings experience and qualifications that could really be put to work for the country, and that's what I'm offering," she said. "It's a free country. People can vote for me or vote for somebody else."
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Matter-eater Man said:
8 years as First Lady

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the G-man said:

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Matter-eater Man said:
8 years as First Lady

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So, by that argument, Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan and Betty Ford are all at least nominally qualifed to be President in your eyes?

I will grant you that Hillary also has Senatorial experience that they don't have. However, your post seems to imply that the Senatorial experience is actually less dispositive in your mind than her time as the wife of a president.

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I'm not sure how I implied all that. All I did was a quick list of her experience.

First Lady certainly does count as experience, even the Republicans

In fact I think a good arguement could be made that Nancy Reagan probably was unofficially the President towards the end of Reagan's term as her husband's mental capabilities diminished.

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Matter-eater Man said:
I should add not all First Lady experience is equal. The ones who played the role as America's mom & didn't draw fire or criticism for not knowing their "place" may have more trouble capitalizing on their past experience.

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Karl Hungus said:...I remember the end of West Wing....

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the G-man said:

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Karl Hungus said:...I remember the end of West Wing....

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Um, Ray, you do realize that 'the West Wing' was a fictional TV show, right?

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you took that one bit and cut it up to make a point?
jeez
you do realize i was using that scene as an example of the two types of first ladies because it makes sense from the types of first ladies we've had. you would have a point in admonishing me had i said "the west wing said this is how laws are passed" or "the west wing showed the exact manner in which a president acts from day to day" then you might have had a point. but once again you decided to pick a few words (not even a whole sentence) and then spin a rebuttal from that since the main bulk of the post was something you'd rather not acknowledge.
had you read the rest of my post i make a good case for hillary having some pretty damn good credentials that show some good experience. of course i bet you had to delete the rest of my post from your quote due to my clever "g-man is gay" joke at the end, huh?

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the G-man said:

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Karl Hungus said:...I remember the end of West Wing....

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Um, Ray, you do realize that 'the West Wing' was a fictional TV show, right?

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PJP said:
So instead of being America's Mom she was America's gaping wide vagina that could be bought for 4 bucks and some loose change. Yeah, that's some good experience.

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PJP said:
I'd say it in person too, if it makes you feel better.

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What does it mean to me that you would say garbage that you know is untrue to somebody? Talk is cheap & for some it's even cheaper. I think you sunk pass the 4 buck rate a ways back. I still love ya though because I like bargains

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the G-man said:
You're taking an insult to Hillary awfully personally. Afraid to lose your meal ticket?

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While she is known to millions simply as "Hillary," New York's junior senator is having something of an identity crisis in her official life.

When it comes to running for president, she is "Hillary Clinton," according to her campaign Web site. But when it comes to her official Senate releases, she is still "Hillary Rodham Clinton."

The Clinton camp appeared to be at a loss to come up with an explanation when the Albany Times Union newspaper asked about it.

The name game has been going on for some time in Clinton's world.

When Hillary Rodham married Bill Clinton in 1975, she kept using her maiden name as he pursued his political career in Arkansas and she built her reputation as a lawyer in Little Rock. But, in the wake of his loss in a re-election race for governor, she began using "Hillary Clinton." He won back the governorship.

"Hillary Rodham Clinton" became the standard in 1993 as the Clintons moved into the White House. She continued to use that when she ran for Senate from New York in 2000.

Hillary continued her tour of the four corners of Iowa and met with the nurses of Finley Hospital...

Hillary spoke about the amazing example set by the Rutgers University women's basketball team at the school's Center for American Women and Politics...

On Sunday, Hillary joined nurses from Finley Hospital in Dubuque who have been without a contract since last summer...

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Clinton +/- Giuliani
Tied!

Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani's nominal lead over Senator Hillary Clinton is now a dead heat, with a Rasmussen poll showing a 45-45 tie between the two. Giuliani had led Clinton 48-47 a month ago, so a virtual tie has become a literal tie.

The poll also shows Clinton widening the gap between herself and another Republican, Arizona Senator John McCain. She now enjoys a 48-44 lead over McCain, up from 47-46 last month.

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Poll: Clinton rebounds over Obama
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has rebounded to a 15 percentage-point lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken after the candidates' first debate.

Among Republicans, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani maintained a 14-point lead over Arizona Sen. John McCain.

Clinton is the only contender in either party to show movement outside the poll's margin of error. She is the choice of 38% of the Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters surveyed, up 7 points from a survey taken three weeks earlier. Obama is at 23%, 3 points lower than before.

Giuliani is supported by 34% of the Republicans and Republican-leaning voters surveyed, compared with 20% for McCain.

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“When I was growing up, the neighborhoods I lived in were surrounded by farm fields, and every harvest season we had a lot of the migrants who come up from Mexico, through Texas, following the harvest, all the way up through Illinois and Michigan,” Mrs. Rodham Clinton has told the spellbound.

Of course millions of people across the country have no idea where Park Ridge is located. They don’t realize it is, was and forever will be an appendage of O’Hare International Airport, attached to Chicago like your nose is to your face.

Mrs. Rodham Clinton has been telling the Big Woods of Park Ridge story since 1996 when she told an audience: “Those of you who did not grow up around Chicago in the 1950s and can only imagine flying into O’Hare where everything looks developed, might find it hard to believe how many farm workers we would have.” ...

According to the Encyclopedia of Chicago, Hillary’s recollections of her Park Ridge neighborhood being “surrounded by farm fields” are as fictional as Uncle Jed’s black gold and Texas tea.

“Many of the farms on Chicago’s Far Northwest and Southwest Sides disappeared in the face of the speculative building boom of the 1920s. Industrial and residential developers began to work on suburban farmland convenient to bus, truck, and automobile traffic.”

Even Park Ridge’s official history states “The agrarian society was changed by the Industrial Revolution, and by the time of our incorporation in 1873, Park Ridge had been transformed from an agricultural community to an affluent business town.”

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When I graduated into Methodist Youth Fellowship, I was fortunate to have a youth minister who arranged for us living in our very comfortable, middle-class, all-white suburb of Chicago, opportunities to go into the inner city, to have exchanges with church groups of black and Hispanic youngsters, to baby- sit for the children of migrant workers who, for those of you who did not grow up around Chicago in the 1950's and can only imagine flying into O'Hare where everything looks developed, might find it hard to believe how many farm workers we would have, and our church took some responsibility for helping. We visited the residents of nursing homes; we would go to public events that would feature speeches by people we'd barely heard of like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. We discussed what our faith meant in the world, and I am so grateful for those lessons and those opportunities.

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