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SHE NEVER DATED CLARK YOU BITCH!!!!!!! SHE HAD A CRUSH BUT NOTHING HAPPENED!!!!!!!! AAAHHHHH!!!!!!! AAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHH THE CHARACTER'S BEEN RUINED FOR ME I'M QUITTING COMICS!!!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! AAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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No. Pre-Crisis he had a crush, nothing happened. Post-Crisis SHE had a crush, nothing happened. Unless Mark Waid rectumned that. In which case I hate him even though he's just a comic book writer doing his job in a way he sees fit that was never meant to please anyone, and I'm making him responsible for my quitting collecting empty pens forever. FOREVER!!!!!!!!
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Time to discover the magic of independent comics then.
This whole thread makes me wonder if a good many of you guys haven't yet realized how vast and plentiful is the art form of comics.
I've been reading independent comics for over twenty years. It doesn't mean I like my mainstream comics trashed to shit however.
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I've been reading independent comics for over twenty years.
And it shows, since you're not one of the guys who's acting as if giving up Marvel comics is the equivalent of giving up your arm...
And that's terrible.
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I finally read the comic in question...and was quite ready to completely hate it and store it in the back of my head as never ever happening when I realized it was a decent story that was a bit more adult than what we're used to. I have to agree with the G-Man that this tale destroys the original storyline as things are depicted as happening in a way that they did not happen in the original story. More importantly, the "death" of Peter's innocence is suddenly corrupted. Therefore I will dismiss this as a "What if?" story which is probably what we should all do-even to the point of Norman's return. God rest Gwen's soul in peace!
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I finally read the comic in question...and was quite ready to completely hate it and store it in the back of my head as never ever happening when I realized it was a decent story that was a bit more adult than what we're used to. I have to agree with the G-Man that this tale destroys the original storyline as things are depicted as happening in a way that they did not happen in the original story. More importantly, the "death" of Peter's innocence is suddenly corrupted. Therefore I will dismiss this as a "What if?" story which is probably what we should all do-even to the point of Norman's return. God rest Gwen's soul in peace!
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I finally read the comic in question...and was quite ready to completely hate it and store it in the back of my head as never ever happening when I realized it was a decent story that was a bit more adult than what we're used to. I have to agree with the G-Man that this tale destroys the original storyline as things are depicted as happening in a way that they did not happen in the original story. More importantly, the "death" of Peter's innocence is suddenly corrupted. Therefore I will dismiss this as a "What if?" story which is probably what we should all do-even to the point of Norman's return. God rest Gwen's soul in peace!
You're finally gone senile on us.
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Time to discover the magic of independent comics then.
This whole thread makes me wonder if a good many of you guys haven't yet realized how vast and plentiful is the art form of comics.
I'd like to enjoy BOTH genres Velo, and seeing as how ones more massively produced than the other, it would be nice AND convenient to be able to enjoy that one.
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Well, you have to assume that the writer is interested in the character he's working on, and is trying to write the best story possible. I think a good story with this character does serve the reader.
Well, that's mostly my problem Disco. It becomes his/her character after they get interested in it. A good example: Devin Grayson. And I have really strong feeling that if she requested it at a later point within this decade, she would have gotten her wish of a bi-sexual Grayson.
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And I have really strong feeling that if she asked requested it at a later point within this decade, she would have gotten her wish of a bi-sexual Grayson.
I can't see that happening any time soon. DC has a long-standing policy of never allowing anything so much as a hint that there is a homosexual relationship between Batman and Robin (and Alfred), and making Dick Grayson bisexual would cut a bit too close to that policy.
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You know, at some point, the JMS's and Devin Graysons of the world are going to retcon and, bascially, fanfic these characters so much that no one wants to read about them.
They'll be too "mature" for young readers.
They'll be too "sophmoric" for most adults.
And, basically, the ever shrinking cadre of adults who obsessively collect the characters will die out.
Eventually, interest in these hopelessly effed up, schizophrenic former icons will be so low that you can't even get a syndicated TV adaption out of them.
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Well, you have to assume that the writer is interested in the character he's working on, and is trying to write the best story possible. I think a good story with this character does serve the reader.
Well, that's mostly my problem Disco. It becomes his/her character after they get interested in it. A good example: Devin Grayson. And I have really strong feeling that if she asked requested it at a later point within this decade, she would have gotten her wish of a bi-sexual Grayson.
When you're playing with a pre-established character, you're making it your own, but there's a thin line when you're doing this. Putting your own beliefs/interests/politics into a character is fine when it's appropriate. Grant Morrison did this in Animal Man, with animal rights activism and what-not. It worked perfectly, because it gave the character meaning and was logical. Devin Grayson doing this with Nightwing is pushing it. Does it enrich the character? Or is it the result of immature fan fictionism? It sounds like the latter to me.
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I'd still do Gwen tho...
I would apear that that may be easier than once thought....... because she's a slut.
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Time to discover the magic of independent comics then.
This whole thread makes me wonder if a good many of you guys haven't yet realized how vast and plentiful is the art form of comics.
I'd like to enjoy BOTH genres Velo, and seeing as how ones more massively produced than the other, it would be nice AND convenient to be able to enjoy that one.
Maybe if you remove the remote control from your rectum you'll enjoy superhero comics again.
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Let me say I don't buy the whole business of Gwen succumbing to Norman's charms either.
But I have a question for you, G-Man.
If Gwen had a "moment" with Flash or Harry, would it have bothered you as much? Given all of Peter's activities---the Bugle, Spider-Man, and the fact that Gwen had no idea of about the webslinging, and the fact that Flash and Harry were friends of hers, is it totally out of the realm of possibility that she may have sought comfort with one of them and then regretted it later?
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Let me say I don't buy the whole business of Gwen succumbing to Norman's charms either.
But I have a question for you, G-Man.
If Gwen had a "moment" with Flash or Harry, would it have bothered you as much? Given all of Peter's activities---the Bugle, Spider-Man, and the fact that Gwen had no idea of about the webslinging, and the fact that Flash and Harry were friends of hers, is it totally out of the realm of possibility that she may have sought comfort with one of them and then regretted it later?
Yea.... if she was a slut!
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Well, she was pretty close to both Harry and Flash for a while, before Peter finally asked her out. Flash was even a bit of a rival for Gwen's affections at one point, referring to her as "his girl" that Parker stole from him. Gwen was attracted to Peter from the moment she met him, though I don't think she was really sure about what she felt for him until they actually began officially dating.
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Let me say I don't buy the whole business of Gwen succumbing to Norman's charms either.
Does someone have to succumb to someone's "charms" in order to have sex with them? I'm sure there are tons of people that just have a moment of weekness at a complete whim and end up making the mistake of having sex with someone and completely regretting it later.
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If Gwen had a "moment" with Flash or Harry, would it have bothered you as much? Given all of Peter's activities---the Bugle, Spider-Man, and the fact that Gwen had no idea of about the webslinging, and the fact that Flash and Harry were friends of hers, is it totally out of the realm of possibility that she may have sought comfort with one of them and then regretted it later?
I wanna answer this one!
It would still bother me, just not as much. The age thing and being Harry's dad is the part that pisses me off.
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"It doesn't mean I like my mainstream comics trashed to shit however."
Thank. You.
And when we don't like something, the problem will be solved when we bitch about it like we've got nothing better going on in our lives.
And that's terrible.
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Time to discover the magic of independent comics then.
This whole thread makes me wonder if a good many of you guys haven't yet realized how vast and plentiful is the art form of comics.
I'd like to enjoy BOTH genres Velo, and seeing as how ones more massively produced than the other, it would be nice AND convenient to be able to enjoy that one.
Maybe if you remove the remote control from your rectum you'll enjoy superhero comics again.
That's basically what I was going to say.
And that's terrible.
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"It doesn't mean I like my mainstream comics trashed to shit however."
Thank. You.
And when we don't like something, the problem will be solved when we bitch about it like we've got nothing better going on in our lives.
Uhh...no... the problem is solved (for me anyway) when I stop giving the dumbshits who can't write to save their lives my money.
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The GayLA of a few years ago would have come up with a response far gayer than that.
That's it, I'm quitting this forum forever. It's like my innocence is lost when the RKMBs ruin their characters like this.
And that's terrible.
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The GayLA of a few years ago would have come up with a response far gayer than that.
I dunno, man -- his response seemed really gay...
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gay....but kamphausen gay...I dunno
YOU PUT SOUP IN IT!
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You set the bar too high, methinks... or should that be too low?
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The GayLA of a few years ago would have come up with a response far gayer than that.
That's it, I'm quitting this forum forever. It's like my innocence is lost when the RKMBs ruin their characters like this.
Sorry to let you down, snookem's.
Tell me what would have been an appropriate response, your royal gayness.
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If Gwen had a "moment" with Flash or Harry, would it have bothered you as much? Given all of Peter's activities---the Bugle, Spider-Man, and the fact that Gwen had no idea of about the webslinging, and the fact that Flash and Harry were friends of hers, is it totally out of the realm of possibility that she may have sought comfort with one of them and then regretted it later?
As much?
Definitely not.
While such a liasion might have been problematic, it would not have, by its necessity completed undercut (and, by undercut, I mean "wholly fucked over") the second most important (the first being AF #15) Spider-man story ever.
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Let me say I don't buy the whole business of Gwen succumbing to Norman's charms either.
But I have a question for you, G-Man.
If Gwen had a "moment" with Flash or Harry, would it have bothered you as much? Given all of Peter's activities---the Bugle, Spider-Man, and the fact that Gwen had no idea of about the webslinging, and the fact that Flash and Harry were friends of hers, is it totally out of the realm of possibility that she may have sought comfort with one of them and then regretted it later?
Yea.... if she was a slut!
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Uhh...no... the problem is solved (for me anyway) when I stop giving the dumbshits who can't write to save their lives my money.
This states my view as well, JLA.
I'm very careful what I buy these days because I've been disappointed with so much of what I've read in comics over the last 15 years. I don't want to contribute anywhere from $2.95 to $100.00 per copy to encourage the kind of excessively dark over-the-top/shock-value crud that smothers the comics market these days.
A poster on the DC boards a couple of years ago, Nine Pound Hammer, in discussing Frank Miller's DARK KNIGHT STRIKES BACK series as representative of an ongoing trend, called it "intellectually urinating on characters we all grew up with".
Most of the writers in comics now think that doing depraved things to well-known characters is some kind of great innovation, instead of the tired replacement for true creativity that it really is.
My local comic shop guy told me it gets even worse for the Spiderman mythos:
Apparently, one of the Bold New Visionary Writers at Marvel plans to introduce a revelation that Uncle Ben sexually molested Peter Parker.
To the editors at Marvel: What the HELL are you thinking ?!?
I'll continue NOT buying this Bold New Excrement as well.
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Sorry to let you down, snookem's.
Tell me what would have been an appropriate response, your royal gayness.
You wanna be Rob so bad it's pathetic...
And that's terrible.
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A girl has a moment of weakness with a guy and suddenly she's a slut?
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Sleeping with your friend's dad is a pretty slutty thing to do.
Getting much more into it than that seems silly, since it's a fictional character.
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When you're playing with a pre-established character, you're making it your own, but there's a thin line when you're doing this. Putting your own beliefs/interests/politics into a character is fine when it's appropriate. Grant Morrison did this in Animal Man, with animal rights activism and what-not. It worked perfectly, because it gave the character meaning and was logical. Devin Grayson doing this with Nightwing is pushing it. Does it enrich the character? Or is it the result of immature fan fictionism? It sounds like the latter to me.
Yeah, but that's a horse of a different color, and a reason why I'm not criticizing Animalman. That facet for Animalman is so incredibly blatant that even I would realize the air of obviousness is so heavy that there's no room for comment. But I'm concentrating mainly on the Ruckas and Graysons, the ones who take it too far and are currently dominating comicbookdom right now.
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