Pariah, you've won nothing. I doubt you've converted a single person to the ID theory or creation myth for all the verbage you've spent on it. Maybe that's not your goal. I didn't join in because I know this argument to be futile. I can live with agreeing to disagree.

The thing I'm left wondering is how, at your youthful age, did you become so closed minded? You seem to think that everything worth knowing was known in the first millenium. What happened to you? Why do you need such rigid thinking?

You remind me of economists I studied in college that were constantly bemoaning the failure of reality to conform to their theories.

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." John Stuart Mill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead.