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The latest rumors on Bond 21.
December 01, 2004 - According to a report in Britian's Sunday Times, the "next James Bond film is to turn away from the high-tech gadgetry and special effects of recent 007 productions. The remake of Casino Royale, the first Bond novel, will concentrate instead on the character of the spy, painted by Ian Fleming in the book as a suave, coldly aggressive seducer."
Citing an insider at Eon Productions, the Times claims the "decision to make Casino Royale comes after Quentin Tarantino said at the Cannes film festival that he would like to adapt the book for the screen. Tarantino's words seem to have spurred the action from the Bond films team."
Alas, don't expect producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson to actually hire either Tarantino or series star Pierce Brosnan for the film. The hunt continues for a new 007, with the rumored contenders being Dougray Scott and Ewan McGregor.
As the Times points out, Casino Royale was published in 1953. It has been adapted twice before, first in 1954 as a CBS telepic starring American thesp Barry Nelson and then as a spoof in 1967 with Peter Sellers, Orson Welles, David Niven and Woody Allen.
Martin Campbell (GoldenEye) will direct the next Bond film from a script by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, which reportedly contains "more of the elements of earlier Bond pics than the more recent effects-packed pictures." Could these Casino Royale rumors be for real?
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God Bless Mark Campbell. This news makes this Bond girl very very happy.
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I don't like James Bond. The James Bond movies are boring.
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I watched the first Sean Connery one because supposedly it's a classic. Fucking boring. Then I watched the first Roger Moore one to give the franchise another try (and because of the main theme). Had to fast forward through the last half hour.
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I dunno. I still think "Goldfinger" is one of the effin coolest movies ever made.
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I dunno. I still think "Goldfinger" is one of the effin coolest movies ever made.
Goldeneye wasn't bad either.
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y'know... i hate pariah's negativity. so, i wanted to respond by sayin how retarded he was being. ... but then i realized that i've never liked a single bond flick.
i love connery. i think pierce is/was perfect for the role. the theme song is classic. the baddies are inventive. the gadgets are fun. there are awesome clips of every movie, and some pretty friggin hot slutty chicks, too.
... but i can't think of a single movie i didn't get bored in. or annoyed with. the plots seem frustrating. there are almost always long, dull moments. i just can't enjoy'em.
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Good point, but you also didn't like the Spider-man movies so your opinion doesn't matter.
I have never really watched the old ones but I really liked the Bronson ones, except for the last one, it was way too long.
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I'm rather fond of For Your Eyes Only - It has a great ski chase and a classic scene in which Bond is scaling a rockface and one of the thugs at the top begins kicking out the pins that are holding his ropes in place.
I think that it's the only Bond film where he doesn't win outright. Both sides want the ATEC decoder and Bond ends up hurling it off a cliff to prevent the Russians from getting at it.
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Well...........Erg......I did like License to kill and Tomorrow Never Dies.
For the former it's purely Timothy Dalton, for the latter it's mainly Michelle Yeoh and Elliot Carver.
My main problem with all the Bond flicks is, as I said before, boredom--But ALSO because Bond himself is a weak character. Most of the cool secret agents and expert sneakers are badass and skilled. Bond relies solely on gadgets, looks, and only thinking as far ahead as the villain. It's annoying.
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y'know... i hate pariah's negativity. so, i wanted to respond by sayin how retarded he was being. ... but then i realized that i've never liked a single bond flick.
i love connery. i think pierce is/was perfect for the role. the theme song is classic. the baddies are inventive. the gadgets are fun. there are awesome clips of every movie, and some pretty friggin hot slutty chicks, too.
... but i can't think of a single movie i didn't get bored in. or annoyed with. the plots seem frustrating. there are almost always long, dull moments. i just can't enjoy'em.
I think with Bond films the viewer needs to take them with a grain of salt. You can't take them too seriously because they're intended to be over the top to a degree. You'll never see them nominated for Best Picture, but they can be highly entertaining, not unlike a Jerry Bruckheimer film.
Some films can be TOO over the top. Die Another Day and A View To A Kill come to mind. But some are just damn fun, like For Your Eyes Only or Tommorow Never Dies. Or any of the Connery films. Not great examples of filmaking, just plain entertaining.
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Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies were great Pierce/Bond movies. His other ones have sucked. The recent one was okay...Halle Berry saved it from totally being bad, even with *shudder* Madonna's appearance in tit.
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TI was enjoying the last one until the fucking sattelite turned up.
Argh, just when I though they were at leats trying to make a spy film!
And the invisible car was fucking stupid.
I'll be glad when they go back to referencing the books.
They would need to be period though, as most of the plots would now be massively out of date for modern times.
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I honestly think the best way to go with Bond would be to consider setting the films in the 1960s.
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Nothing set in the 60's can be good.
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I just caught this: Quote:
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y'know... i hate pariah's negativity. so, i wanted to respond by sayin how retarded he was being.
You know what, go to hell Rob. How much reason for not liking something do I need to type before any negative thing I have to say'll be taken seriously?
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Of the recent films, I've only seen Tomorrow Never Dies, and I couldn't really get into it. Brosnan was a great choice, but I really feel like Bond is lacking direction and purpose without the Cold War backdrop. Time to retire him and move on, I'd say.
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How much reason for not liking something do I need to type before any negative thing I have to say'll be taken seriously?
You did read the rest of what he typed, yes?
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How much reason for not liking something do I need to type before any negative thing I have to say'll be taken seriously?
You did read the rest of what he typed, yes?
Yeah, I did. But the fact that he just kinda disregarded what I said instantly before his realization put me off.
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If it makes you feel any better, you're an eighth of the way to 100K.
Also, I'd like to add that a film showcasing the original Bond formula would probably bunch the panties of many a' woman, and not in a good way. The real and original Bond would probably be seen as a chauvinist and on-the-fence rapist.
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In the movies, Bond is portrayed as a cultured and well informed individual who can do pretty much anything he turns his hand to. In the novels of Ian Fleming, he's a more narrow minded character - much more a reflection of the colonial attitude that pervaded the British intelligence community during those times.
I'm fed up with Bond films being used in a very cynical way, as vehicles for product placement, and so would welcome a film set during the 60s. Hopefully the studio would have the good sense to play it straight and not make something that was too tongue in cheek.
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I like all the Bond films,so who cares!
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Of the recent films, I've only seen Tomorrow Never Dies, and I couldn't really get into it. Brosnan was a great choice, but I really feel like Bond is lacking direction and purpose without the Cold War backdrop. Time to retire him and move on, I'd say.
That's why GoldenEye works so well. It addressed the fact that the Cold War is over, Bond is 'a sexist mysognist dinosaur' who has to prove that he's still relevent.
I would like a return to a more old-school Bond. From Russia with Love is still my favorite.
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Everyone says Goldeneye's great. I should probably watch it. Famke Janssen doesn't hurt.
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I would like a return to a more old-school Bond. From Russia with Love is still my favorite.
My favourite too. Cosest to the books in my opinion. And my opinion counts for a lot!
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IGN Quote:
Brosnan Back in Bond?
As the rumor mill turns...
January 04, 2005 - You might be surprised by the name of the latest actor rumored to be up for the part of James Bond in Bond 21... Pierce Brosnan. After months of media and fan speculation about who might fill the 007 role, the latest Internet rumor suggests that it could all be moot. Brosnan, who has repeatedly stated that he's done with the secret agent franchise, may have worked out a deal with Bond filmmakers to return one more time – fans may remember a similar series of events last time around.
Obviously, the possibility of Brosnan coming back has been floated, but the notion has been given credence by a rumor recently published in the James Bond International Fan Club newsletter. Chairman David Black states the following: "Although the media reports that Pierce has had enough of the ongoing Bond debate and ruled himself out – I have heard rumours that some further negotiations may have just taken place and he may still be back for the new film due for release in 2006. Don't rule him out just yet – that's all I can say on the subject!!"
Ioan Gruffudd, Colin Salmon, Ewan McGregor and countless others previously associated with the part may have to wait.
Bond 21 will be helmed by GoldenEye director Martin Campbell from a script by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade. The film will reportedly be less about cinematic spectacle and more like the classic Bond films of yesteryear.
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From IGN.FilmForce Quote:
 October 3, 2005 - The Times of India spoke with Indian actor Gulshan Grover (The Second Jungle Book: Mowgli & Baloo) who confirmed that he has indeed been cast as "the ultimate villain" in the next James Bond film, Casino Royale. Grover says he will begin filming in Prague this January.
"I met the producers in LA a week ago. They are yet to announce this on their official website," the actor informed the Times. "That's because they first want to announce the next Bond. As of now, they haven't zeroed in on who will play the central role. At least 300 actors have been considered for the role."
The adversary in Ian Fleming's novel Casino Royale is called Le Chiffre. "The villain is usually charismatic and has a significant role. [SPOILER!] In many Bond films, the heroine is the villain's love interest," Grover added.
The 50-year-old Grover was first mentioned as a possible Bond baddie this past March by MI6.
Grover previously penned an article about Bond villains that can be read here.
Meanwhile, The Belfast Telegraph spoke with crooner Tony Christie who confirmed his long-rumored involvement with Casino Royale. "So I'm watching all the old Bond films," Christie told the Telegraph. "My writing partner Peter Callendar and I are getting in the mood for the kind of big ballad that will stir the audience before the action starts."
As CommanderBond.net points out, however, "Christie may be penning a track for submission to the film's producers for their consideration." CBn says that a number of performers have recorded tracks for past Bond films that were considered and then passed over.
In other Casino Royale crew news, the IMDb lists Stuart Baird as the editor of the film. Baird had long been one of Hollywood's top editors (often called in to re-cut a troubled film) before seguing to directing, helming Executive Decision and Star Trek: Nemesis.
Eon Productions and the Sony Brass will reportedly make a final decision this week on the casting of James Bond. The rumored frontrunners are Daniel Craig, Henry Cavill, Sam Worthington and Goran Visnjic. There is always the possibility, however, that the role will go to someone else entirely. Interestingly enough, CommanderBond.net founder Dave Winter was flying from Los Angeles to London last week and saw that Scottish thesp and past rumored 007 contender Dougray Scott was on his plane. See the photographic evidence here.
Hmmm. A rumored Bond candidate flying to London during the week when final tests were being conducted. What does this mean? Probably nothing. Sometimes an actor flying from L.A. to London is just that.
What is interesting is the stony silence IGN FilmForce received when it inquired with Scott's reps at Endeavor about whether he went to London to meet with the Bond filmmakers. A "no comment" became an "I don't know." Follow-up e-mail inquiries went unanswered. Inconclusive but curious.
Scott, however, seemed to have ruled himself out of the running as far as back as 2000 after confirming that Eon informally approached his agents about the role. "I'm very flattered that people consider me good enough to play James Bond, but I couldn't play that part any better than Sean [Connery] did. To be honest, I am not convinced I am suave enough for the part," Scott said at the time. "I wouldn't even play one of the baddies, because I've been there and done that already with Mission: Impossible II."
Of course, a lot can change in five years ...
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I used to tell everyone my favorite movie was Octopussy just so I could say Octopussy.
I like the James Bond movies and I just fucking love Sean Connery. I always picture Sir Connery whenever James Bond is mentioned, but I never liked his Bond films. They were always too slow and boring, the Roger Moore ones were the best from my point of view.
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i enjoy the new ones with Tommorow never dies being my favorite Brosnan flick. But i really apreciate the older films they seemed to have more attitude. Connery was just the man. I even liked Timothy Dalton, well, at least in License to Kill.
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Dalton was good, but I wish Brosnan would have starred in his films. The Living Daylights and Liscense to Kill were the best written Bond films. Brosnan was the second best Bond. Unfortunately, the Bond writers didn't write Bond around him, rather they tried to make him into their Bond.
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From IGN.FilmForce Quote:
Campbell on Casino Royale
Director talks casting, plot and more!
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October 5, 2005 - Both Club 007 France and Vlt.se have reports on the French press conference held Monday for director Martin Campbell's Legend of Zorro where the filmmaker also spoke on the record about his next project, Casino Royale.
After confirming reports of the new final four Bond contenders, the filmmaker said a decision should be announced in less than three weeks. Campbell advised Allocine that the new 007 will be "between 28 and 32" years of age.
Campbell firmly denied all the "Pierce Brosnan is back" rumors that have been swirling of late. Brosnan, the director insists, is out and won't even be back if the powers-that-be can't agree on his successor. "Because it's a young Bond, we need a young actor," Campbell explained.
Campbell took aim at other "wrongful speculation" that has arisen in the print and Web media, particularly the notion that name actors are willing to play 007 (i.e., Clive Owen, Hugh Jackman and Ewan McGregor). "Everybody must realize that it's almost impossible to persuade an actor who already has a successful film career to sign the dotted line. The contract is for three films in a row," he said.
He also denied reports that Sienna Miller was signed to play Bond girl Vesper Lynd. IGN FilmForce was the first outlet to investigate the possibility that Miller might be in the running for the part but we never conclusively said she was, even running her publicist's denial. The British tabloids took our report and simply ran wild with it. (Shocking, I know.)
And despite Indian actor Gulshan Grover's recent public statement to the contrary, Campbell says the role of the villainous Le Chiffre remains uncast, although he is considering French actors for it.
Although screenwriter Paul Haggis recently said that there would be no Q and no gadgets in Casino Royale, Campbell advised the press that John Cleese would be reprising his role as 007's gadget-master, Q (along with Dame Judi Dench as M). Campbell said Royale will be "a mixture of the novel's down-to-earth realism and the traditional Bond film gadget-extravaganza." Hence, Q.
Definitely not returning, though, will be Samantha Bond as Miss Moneypenny. Fans have speculated that 29-year-old Camilla Power, the actress who screen-tested with all recent the Bond candidates, seems the most likely replacement.
Campbell also revealed that the film will keep "the second half of the novel pretty much intact." This is the part of the story with the most spoilers, though, so I won't spill those beans right now.
He added that filming will take place in Prague and the Bahamas, as well as a short stint at Pinewood Studios.
Thanks to CommanderBond.net for the heads-up!
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this is probably false, seeing how this same exact rumor happened a couple months ago, but its being reported by a lot of different sources now.
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New 007 Reportedly Chosen
British tabloid names Bond, James Bond.
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October 11, 2005 - British tabloid The Daily Mail, the first outlet to report that Pierce Brosnan would not return as 007 for the next installment, now claims that the search for the new James Bond is over and that oft-rumored contender Daniel Craig (Layer Cake) will star in Casino Royale.
"In the end a shortlist of two emerged - Craig and newcomer Henry Cavill. The pair were auditioned again and tried on tuxedos to see how they would look in the quintessential Bond clothing," the Mail reports. "Craig, 37, whose choice will be confirmed by producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson later this week, will be the sixth Bond, but the first blond."
Reuters followed up on the Mail's report. "Craig's agent in London declined to comment, and both the next film's Hollywood backers, Sony Pictures Entertainment and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc, and Bond production company EON have remained silent on who will take over as the super-spy."
"The decision hasn't been made yet. They are casting and that takes however long it takes," an EON spokeswoman advised Reuters.
IGN FilmForce has learned that Sony honcho Amy Pascal flew to London this past weekend to meet with Eon and Casino Royale director Martin Campbell and make the final decision on casting the next Bond.
If there is an official announcement this week, I'd wager it would be on Thursday. The trades publish their Friday papers on Thursday so that way Eon and Sony can get a whole weekend of free press by getting Craig's face on the trades' front pages.
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Craig actually reminds me of that assassin guy in From Russia with Love...
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Spy games afoot at WB, Sony
Warner preps Fleming film
By MICHAEL FLEMING
Amid rampant rumors that Daniel Craig was firmly in the crosshairs to play the next 007 in "Casino Royale," Warner Bros. has made a deal to mount a movie about James Bond creator Ian Fleming.
"Fleming" has been scripted by Damian Stevenson and will be produced by Andrew Lazar through his Mad ChanceMad Chance banner.
On the Bond front, word spread Tuesday that longtime frontrunner Craig had been formally offered the role by producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson. Sony Pictures Entertainment would not confirm that a choice had been made. The announcement is imminent for a film that will go into production in January with Martin Campbell directing.
"Fleming," meanwhile, tells the story of how the author's own experiences with womanizing and spying shaped his signature secret agent creation.
Born into a privileged English family, Fleming began as a comparative underachiever until a stint as a journalist covering the Soviet Union led him to begin spying on that country for the Foreign Office. Fleming was the mastermind of numerous clever spying schemes, some deemed too outlandish to use. He dreamed of becoming a daring secret agent and adapted his own womanizing feats and the stories he heard to craft the Bond novels.
He unveiled 007 in "Casino Royale" in 1953, and that book has been dusted off for the 21st film in the series.
"He was an extraordinary thinker who helped shape what the modern spy was, both in his work at MI6 and in his novels," Lazar said.
Scripter Stevenson, a British-born Oxford grad who formerly worked as an exec at Kopelson Entertainment, hatched the Fleming project. WB exec Greg Silverman is overseeing the venture.
Lazar also is producing another pic on a classic secret agent for Warners, "Get Smart," with Steve Carell attached.
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Craig actually reminds me of that assassin guy in From Russia with Love...
A little bit, yes. I think he's make a good Bond - did you see him in L4yer Cake? Sexy and tough - He's all yum...
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Craig actually reminds me of that assassin guy in From Russia with Love...
Robert Shaw, who went on to play Quint, in Jaws.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051013/ap_e...wN5bnN1YmNhdA--Quote:
Name of James Bond Star to Be Revealed
LONDON - The suspense is almost over.
Sony Pictures said Thursday it would end months of speculation on Friday, revealing the name of the next James Bond at a press conference in London.
Producers announced last year that they were seeking a replacement for Pierce Brosnan, who has played the suave British spy in the last four Bond films.
Since then, rumor has linked many actors to the part, including Britons Clive Owen, Ioan Gruffudd, Colin Firth, Hugh Grant, Gerard Butler and Ewan McGregor, Irishman Colin Farrell and Australians Hugh Jackman, Heath Ledger and Eric Bana.
British tabloid reports this week said the role will go to Daniel Craig, a blue-eyed British actor who would be the first blond Bond.
Although he's not well known in the United States, Craig, 37, has a busy British career that includes roles in the landmark 1990s TV drama "Our Friends in the North" and films including "The Mother," "Enduring Love" and "Layer Cake."
He played Paul Newman's sinister son in "Road to Perdition," was poet Ted Hughes opposite Gwyneth Paltrow's Sylvia Plath in "Sylvia" and appeared in this year's thriller "The Jacket" with Adrien Brody.
Craig is also the tabloids' dream Bond. He once dated headline-grabbing model Kate Moss and has been linked to Sienna Miller, his "Layer Cake" co-star and on-off fiancee of Jude Law.
Earlier this year, Craig praised 007 as "an iconographic figure in moviemaking."
"I think you'd have to be stupid not to consider something like that," he said, but added that he hadn't given the role "any serious thought."
The 21st Bond film, "Casino Royale," is due to be released next year. It will be directed by Martin Campbell, who also directed Brosnan's first Bond outing, "GoldenEye," in 1995.
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Please...let Gerald Butler or Clive Owen get this role. If Colin Farrel gets this role, then I will get violent. I think Daniel Craig's a cool actor, but no blonde Bonds, please. Let him be a kick-ass villian in a later movie.
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Daniel Craig's mother blows the new James Bond's coverAmid speculation and rumours over who will replace Pierce Brosnan as the world's most enigmatic spy, the biggest film industry secret was broken yesterday, by Daniel Craig's mother.
"Obviously we are thrilled to bits," Carol Olivia said. "It has come at a very good time in his career. He has worked extremely hard all his life and this would be his biggest populist role. I think he could bring something very interesting to the part. It will be life-changing," she told the Liverpool Daily Post.
The new 007 has been a favourite of the producer Barbara Broccoli since she began the search for Pierce Brosnan's replacement earlier this year.
And while both Sony or Craig's agent would not confirm the news, it seems certain he will starring in the 21st Bond film, Casino Royale, which returns to the start of the spy's career. The bookmaker William Hill refused to take any more money on Craig, and filming is expected to start in January.
Clive Owen, Ewan McGregor, Jude Law and Colin Farrell were also named as possible contenders for the role.
An official announcement confirming Craig will be the new Bond is expected today. He will be the sixth James Bond but the first blond actor to play the part, and, in contrast, to the Etonian background described by Ian Fleming in his novels (though his education was curtailed by an incident with a female teacher), Craig left secondary school at 16 and left the Wirral for London.
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