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Actually that one gets props for being funny and not creepy like the other one.
It's creepy when people believe it
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I think it's funny when people believe it. On the other hand, it's creepy when people believe the God send it theory. At least the conspiracy nuts aren't on the side of the one they believe to be a monster.
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I think it's funny when people believe it. On the other hand, it's creepy when people believe the God send it theory. At least the conspiracy nuts aren't on the side of the one they believe to be a monster.
I never thought of it like that. You make a good point.
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My commie talk is dragging you in. Care for a baked baby?
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At least the conspiracy nuts aren't on the side of the one they believe to be a monster.
But the other ones don't believe God to be a monster. They the monsters are the ones God is punishing.
Granted, that is bigoted and wrong headed attitude but it is hardly an uncommon one.
Most religions believe that their higher power punishes evil people, whether that higher power is God, Kharma or whatever.
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I think it's funny when people believe it. On the other hand, it's creepy when people believe the God send it theory. At least the conspiracy nuts aren't on the side of the one they believe to be a monster.
As a Catholic, I do believe that God is the one that gave us cause and effect--Or it's more colloquial term: Karma. I, of course, don't believe that he was the one who set it in motion, humans did that. But still, when I take into mind negative effect, positive effect, I can't help but feel that AIDS is a form of punishment. And if it didn't arrive in this form, it prolly would have in another.
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I think punishment might be too strong a word.
I think "consequence", albeit unfortunate, would be more accurate, just as herpes might be a consequence of unprotected heterosexual intercourse.
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I s'pose. Considering there are people out there, who honestly don't buy that there is a God with a set morals rather than believe that there is/may be a God and just don't care. But it's the fact that it's so mass spread that gets me. Can't help but feel it's a bit more severe than a "consequence".
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If God meant for AIDS to be some sort of message, he wasn't very clear. To many "innocents" also get punished. Is he rewarding me & my boyfriend for being monogamous for 14 years and the promiscuous types who wear condoms? I just don't think he works on a reward/punishment system untill you die & your then judged.
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Aren't most diseases fighting back?
I hate the whole AIDs getting special treatment bullshit. AIDs and HIV are preventable. TB, SARs and stuff like that are communicable and not sexually transmitted. Get a partner, and use a condom if you are having anal sex or sex with a strange partner. Sex in the world today is potentially life threatening...deal with it. Everything has consequences..whether you don't study in school, steal, kill someone, or have sex with multiple partners---deal with it , it's not my problem.
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Is it so wrong to not have a lot of compassion for someone with Herpes or Aids or any other type of VD? And basically AIDS is just the worst form of VD.
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The research has targeted reverse transcriptase, a submiscroscopic protein composed of two coiled chains of amino acids. It is considered HIV's key protein.
"Reverse transcriptase is very important in the biology of AIDS," Smith said. "If you can really inhibit reverse transcriptase, you can stop AIDS."
I won’t explain this very well because I don’t properly understand it.
The HIV virus is a retrovirus. What this means is that its genome consists of RNA molecules. In order to infect the human body it uses the enzyme reverse transcriptase to encode a copy of its RNA genome onto a strand of DNA. This strand makes a further copy creating a double helix which can then integrate with cells in the host body.
Unfortunately the process is very untidy and inaccurate. The copy is never quite the same as the original and so the virus is in a constant state of rapid mutation and evolution. That’s the problem with HIV – it’s nigh impossible to treat a virus that is aggressively mutating all the time. It’s the reason why so many researchers are targeting reverse transcriptase in the hope of preventing the virus from making copies of itself in the first place.
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There's nothing wrong with it....I agree....this little bastard that just go the new AIDS had sex with hundreds of partners......they are simply way too promiscuous.
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Is it so wrong to not have a lot of compassion for someone with Herpes or Aids or any other type of VD? And basically AIDS is just the worst form of VD.
It depends.
There is the rare case of person infected who had no choice. Rape Victims, babies born with HIV, people intentionally infected by other people. Them I feel bad for.
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I suppose the lack of compassion is understandable if you guys are just dealing with imagined stereotypes getting what they asked for. Lots of good people have been lost 
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I'm not dealing with imagined stereotypes who are getting what they asked for.
Were dealing with people who either remained ignorant the past almost twenty years, or completely ignored the warnings.
Are they getting what they deserve? Who am I to judge? That is between them and whatever god they believe in.
But I don't feel sorry for them.
I have as much feeling for them as people who have accidently killed themselves cleaning thier firearms.
It's not only drug addicts and homosexuals who contract HIV it could be anyone.
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Is it so wrong to not have a lot of compassion for someone with Herpes or Aids or any other type of VD? And basically AIDS is just the worst form of VD.
It depends.
There is the rare case of person infected who had no choice. Rape Victims, babies born with HIV, people intentionally infected by other people. Them I feel bad for.
Also, there have been cases of people who get blood transfusions that contain HIV (because idiotic medical staff don't screen blood carefully enough). Israeli singer Ofra Haza died as a result of this.
In countries where good health care is hard to come by, I'd imagine this type of thing could happen frequently.
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And then there are the cases where people get deliberately infected by these people who got it thru their own hedonistic revels and who want to spread their self-inflicted misfortune to others.
Case in point, this P.O.S. dentist:
AIDS: DENTIST ACCUSED OF INTENTIONALLY INFECTING PATIENTS
"AIDS Dentist Said to Plot Infections"
"National Briefs: AIDS Dentist's Kin Ordered to Testify"
Some pople do get it thru no fault of their own, either thru blood transfusions, thru their unfaithful or drug using spouses, or thru twisted means such as this AIDS dentist, but i'm sure the vast majority get it thru their own promiscuity or drug use.
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Jeff, you're an Anti-dentite.
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just shut the fuck up and get him a soda with lots of ice.
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just shut the fuck up and get him a soda with lots of ice.
with all the verbal abuse any beverage I ever gave you would be laced with enough urine to kill a thousand rabbits.
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Then the right wing conspiracy would have to kill you and there would be one less person to vote for cunt hillary in '08 is that what you want.
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Then the right wing conspiracy would have to kill you and there would be one less person to vote for cunt hillary in '08 is that what you want.
cunt hillary? wow. that's a little crude, isn't it? despite my criticisms of Bush, you don't see me calling him dickBush.
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why would you his name is George Bush......Vice President Cheney's first name is Dick.....duh
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okay, obviously, you're not that bright. To make the analogy less confusing, what if I called him cock Bush.
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There's no doubt in my mind that Hillary Clinton is evil, but let's tone down the rhetoric. Calling her a cunt is unlikely to win over anyone and is probably the most offensive thing you can say about any woman.
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It's the show stopper!
It's the greatest word in the english language.
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Hillary is also an alien and it's being covered up by the CIA. R3x29yza has googled proof!
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The safe sex message is one that bears repeating. We should be constantly looking for new ways to get the message across so that it doesn't just go in one ear and out the other. This morning I read an interview with Pekka Pushka in New Scientist. This is the man responsible for reducing deaths from coronary heart disease by 80% in the North Karelia region of Finland. It involved the population of that region making massive lifestyle changes and Pekka kept pushing the issue. He kept up the momentum and he didn’t let it go. Eventually people did begin to make changes to the way they lived and the death rate dropped dramatically. You can adopt a similar approach when it comes to promoting safe sex. It always has to be on the agenda.
Obviously pushing safe sex isn’t going to be enough on its own to halt the spread of HIV. When it comes to sex, people often act in the heat of the moment - that’s why there are unexpected pregnancies and affairs and people getting blind drunk and waking up next to total strangers.
There are also forces working against it. If someone in the church questions the efficacy of contraception or makes unfounded claims that the HIV virus is capable of passing through microscopic pores in condoms then there are people in Africa, where religion is still practised very deeply, who will believe it. These kind of off-hand statements which seldom have any grounding in hard science serve to undermine safe sex programmes often in very vulnerable areas.
On the satirical show Brass Eye there was a spoof audience debate in which Chris Morris distinguished between those who had "Good AIDS" (haemophiliacs, blood transplant patients) and those who had "Bad AIDS" (homosexuals, drug users). It was a very insightful piece of comedy picking up on a strain of public opinion that there are some people living with AIDS or HIV who deserve no pity and should be treated like pariahs.
You can sit and moralise about AIDS all you want. While you are doing that HIV is mutating into more virulent and more resistant forms and chemists such as Eddy Arnold, who deal with practicalities, are looking for workable methods of fighting the disease. They need more money and more support and they should be regarded as heroes.
When it comes to tackling AIDS, there needs to a coordinated global effort similar to the way that we fought to eradicate Polio and Small Pox, or the way in which we are currently attempting to contain a potential bird flu pandemic.
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Granted, that is bigoted and wrong headed attitude but it is hardly an uncommon one.
I think I didn't explain myself very well. It's exactly what you're saying what I find disturbing, and the fact that they don't believe God is a monster for doing that makes it even worse.
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Pariah said:As a Catholic, I do believe that God is the one that gave us cause and effect--Or it's more colloquial term: Karma. I, of course, don't believe that he was the one who set it in motion, humans did that. But still, when I take into mind negative effect, positive effect, I can't help but feel that AIDS is a form of punishment. And if it didn't arrive in this form, it prolly would have in another.
And this is what I'm talking about.
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I'm not isolating people who participate in pre-marital sex Mxy. Just sin itself.
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There are also forces working against it. If someone in the church questions the efficacy of contraception or makes unfounded claims that the HIV virus is capable of passing through microscopic pores in condoms then there are people in Africa, where religion is still practised very deeply, who will believe it. These kind of off-hand statements which seldom have any grounding in hard science serve to undermine safe sex programmes often in very vulnerable areas.
Please explain. The Church has never made a claim like that, its motivations for banning porphylactics dwell in other areas.
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Actually, backwards7, I believe the biggest issue leading to lack of birth control in Africa is largely owing to a culture that believes in fertility and breeding on grounds unrelated to the Catholic faith: http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/journals/2905803.html
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You can sit and moralise about AIDS all you want. While you are doing that HIV is mutating into more virulent and more resistant forms and chemists such as Eddy Arnold, who deal with practicalities, are looking for workable methods of fighting the disease. They need more money and more support and they should be regarded as heroes.
When it comes to tackling AIDS, there needs to a coordinated global effort similar to the way that we fought to eradicate Polio and Small Pox, or the way in which we are currently attempting to contain a potential bird flu pandemic.
I'm not saying we shouldn't fight it, and I'm not saying people infected no matter how they were infected shouldn't be cared for.
I also recognize that religion is responsible in most cases for further spread of the virus because of thier views and how they love to spread and sometimes force thier views on other people.
Mother Teresa for example, sure she cared for the African HIV victims, she helped treat thier wounds, but did she help the overall cause when she spoke out against condoms. I don't know what her views on abstenance were.
The people I have no compassion or pitty for are the average American/first world country type HIV victim. People who ignored numerous attempts and warnings to educate them. People who choose to ignore warnings.
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I do blame the Africans for not killing whitey as soon as he came tramping across the velt and desert with his bible.
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I'm not isolating people who participate in pre-marital sex Mxy. Just sin itself.
But you're saying that, directly or indirectly, God created AIDS to punish us for being a sinful society. Not just gay people and drug addicts, there's plenty of other people who get AIDS without commiting 'sins', just like there's plenty of promiscous people who don't get AIDS. How do you explain that? Did God miscalculate the appliance of his wrath? Or did he decide to spare some sinners and punish some decent folk so people wouldn't suspect it was him? Maybe his PR people told him his kinder self of recent millenia had done wonders for his public image, so he should at least cover his tracks if he wants to start punishing us for not believing in him again.
How do you explain people who prevent AIDS by using condoms? Are they undoing God's will by doing something so simple? Is that why putting rubber in one's own cock offends catholics so much? "Take that rubber off your cock and get your damn divine wrath dammit!" If only the people in the old testament had thought of it, maybe all the plagues would have bypassed them.
How would you explain it if AIDS is cured, like all diseases eventually are? Did some guy with a test tube overpower God?
Even if I bought the whole "fornicating is bad and you'll die a horrible death if you do it so please take out that rubber off cause if you don't God's plan won't work" thing, I'd refuse to believe in a God who would punish people who haven't sinned while bypassing people who fuck like machines.
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