Quote: Pariah said: Of course you think it's ludicrous. That's because you're used to using the claim of victor.
In dealing with you, it's often true.
Quote: Whatever happened to "satire?"
Benny Hill took it with him when he left.
Quote: Or maybe I'm just not fooling myself into believing that the joke isn't conservative--Or, at least, partisan in nature.
Have you read a Dave Barry book before?
Quote: In your very first post regarding the subject, you brought up those "extremists" and their alleged blind loyalty to the government and now you're saying it has "very litte" to do with the issue?
No, I made a general comment about today's political world. You took that general comment, and applied an extrememly specific message to it.
Quote: Your first comment, in direct association with the comic, was: "infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it."
That's not spin. It's called giving a counter example.
Spin is what you and G-Man are doing: spinning the joke as a support of a political ideology. I was countering that spin with an example to the contrary, showing that you have read something into that wasn't really there.
You pretty much admitted this with your post:
"I may have over-assumed the intent of Barry--I admit I probably shouldn't have"
So, now I've had to explain humor and simple debate to you. What has happened to our education system?
Quote: No you didn't
"Dave Barry wasn't making a statement about the kind of government that was most preferable. He was saying that the government is generally corrupt and not trustworthy.
Distrust in the government is hardly an attitude exclusive to conservatives.
This is censorship, but not liberal censorship(technically, that's a kind of an oxymoron, anyway). I think you're reading something into it that wasn't there."
I didn't use the exact words "too broad". But you'd have to be either pretty stubbornly partisan or just pretty thick-headed not to get that that's what I was talking about.
Quote: Defining the government? Are you for real?
...eh?
There are a lot of different ideas about what exactly "the government" is, and so in discussing it, there can be some cognitive dissonance there.
Quote: Obviously somebody didn't however.
Yes, obviously. It was censorship, and stupid censorship.
Just not liberal censorship.
Quote: I said that your use of the administrations as an example of the left hating government was too broad since the two are mutually exclusive (although they obviously interact with eachother).
I didn't say hate. I said distrust. There's a pretty big difference.
You said that it was too broad for me to be applying it to Bush, despite the fact that I wasn't talking about Bush, and I was making the claim that it was a general statement all along, rather than a specific comment supporting or admonishing any political cause or figure...then you said in the very next post it had an "inherent" conservative lean to it.
So, if it's argument for the left(one I wasn't making), it's too broad. If it's an argument for the right...it's just specific enough.
Quote: Fine. You don't have to answer.
I did. Several times.
I don't think it has a conservative lean to it because I don't think he was talking about a kind of government(i.e specifically what role the government played). It was a basic, general joke, about any modern government, and how generally untrustworthy it is. For it to have a conservative lean, it has to be something that most conservatives believe, and most liberals don't. I think most people find the government at least a little untrustworthy, regardless of what side of the political aisle they stand on.
