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*head in hands*
Yeah. I disagree with all of it. And the entirety of that post disputes from as many angles as I can think of (plus the ones you've brought up) how my case is backed up legally, culturally, and biologically.
No offense, but I don't feel like re-summarizing myself. I've said all that needs to be said.
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I say lots of things that people do can and are harmful to them and there's nothing wrong with their participation. You say they aren't comparable activities.
Using Pariah's arguement, parents who let their kids play football, hockey, gymnastics & so forth are even worse than gay folk because their sending their kids into these dangerous activities.
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As I already said, in response to Uschi's skateboarding example, when one plays sports, they don't try to get hurt. When one decides to plug themself or have someone else plug them, there's no way you can't get hurt.
What the fuck is this anyway? Someone makes really long posts or originally posted about the same subject in previous threads that you simply don't feel like reading and that suddenly gives you the prerogative to make ignorant fucking arguments that were already addressed in said long threads and posts? For fuck's sake--READ BEFORE YOU POST. I'm sure you have a penchant for repeating yourself but I don't.
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As I already said, in response to Uschi's skateboarding example, when one plays sports, they don't try to get hurt. When one decides to plug themself or have someone else plug them, there's no way you can't get hurt.
What the fuck is this anyway? Someone makes really long posts or originally posted about the same subject in previous threads that you simply don't feel like reading and that suddenly gives you the prerogative to make ignorant fucking arguments that were already addressed in said long threads and posts? For fuck's sake--READ BEFORE YOU POST. I'm sure you have a penchant for repeating yourself but I don't.
Uhm, most gay people are not trying to get hurt either. (I think that has been said a couple of times too) And if your playing sports like football, there will be pain & damage to the tissues & joints. Ask your doctor.
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Uhm, most gay people are not trying to get hurt either. (I think that has been said a couple of times too) And if your playing sports like football, there will be pain & damage to the tissues & joints. Ask your doctor.
Don't play that game with me.
Trying to reason what will happen by using what could happen as your mediator doesn't work. You do try to get hurt, and more than that you succeed in doing so each time you participate in anal sex. Moreover, sexually active homosexuals have the intent to be hurt each time they decide to have sex in their preferred way. I reiterate that there's no way not to get hurt and they (you) know it. Your lip-service may attest that you don't want to be, but you deliberately harm yourself (note I didn't say, "put yourself in the way of harm"). A sports player carrys no intent to be hurt, that's specifically what he/she avoids.
I ALREADY COVERED THIS!!
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You do try to get hurt, and more than that you succeed in doing so each time you participate in anal sex.
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Just kind of made some big assumptions about my sex life there buddy. 
Anyways the Sports comparison does work because like gay people (& straight people for that matter) damage isn't the goal but it is risked for something they enjoy doing. Beyond the immediate injuries (scrapes, bruises & busted legs) the wear & tear on the joints catches up to you later in life.
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Around and around we go...
Damage is your goal because there's no way to practice sodomy without being hurt. There is indeed a way to play sports without getting hurt.
At this point, I'm pretty sure you're making exceptions as to what you would call "hurt". Cuz' I doubt you're this ignorant.
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Pariah...until you've tried it...just shut the fuck up already. Everything you say is hypothetical. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, so drop it.
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OK, here's the deal. If you want your ass-hole to hurt then let another guy plug it. If not, then don't, but leave the guys with the sore asses alone. They're thier asses so let them do what they want with them and quit bitching.
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Moreover, sexually active homosexuals have the intent to be hurt each time they decide to have sex in their preferred way.
I am past caring what you have to say about this, Pariah. That long treatise you laid on us? Sorry man, I didn't read it, knew what you already had to say.
You're a kid and you come at this like a kid.
You need a new song.
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Hello Klinton.
What's up, Pariah?
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You're a kid and you come at this like a kid.
You need a new song.
If I was older, I'd bet you still wouldn't listen to me.
Whatever.
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You're a kid and you come at this like a kid.
You need a new song.
If I was older, I'd bet you still wouldn't listen to me.
If you were older and more experienced at life, you might not approach this subject the way you do now.
You might realize that what you dismiss as unnatural, based on whatever definitions you want to grasp onto, happens to involve the lives and loves of very real people, for whom this discussion is not some academic exercise.
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You're a kid and you come at this like a kid.
You need a new song.
If I was older, I'd bet you still wouldn't listen to me.
If you were older and more experienced at life, you might not approach this subject the way you do now.
You might realize that what you dismiss as unnatural, based on whatever definitions you want to grasp onto, happens to involve the lives and loves of very real people, for whom this discussion is not some academic exercise.
Dismissing Pariah's position based soley on his age and implying that if he were older he would see it your way is no more helpfull to your position than focusing on the damage to the rectum is for his.
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Dismissing Pariah's position based soley on his age and implying that if he were older he would see it your way is no more helpfull to your position than focusing on the damage to the rectum is for his.
Stick to what I said, not what you think I said.
I said he might see things differently than he does now. That does not mean a 180 on his current opinion. But he might not be quite so severe or convinced he's right.
I never said, "If you were older you would definitely agree with me." You're older than he is and you don't agree with me. There's no way I think that age will totally change him. But it might soften him, even just a bit.
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This thread needs a referee. Anybody with a big whistle gonna volunteer?
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For many age brings with it a greater stubborness.
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But he might not be quite so severe or convinced he's right.
For many age brings with it a greater stubborness.
I'd rather be stubborn about something I have actually experienced than about something I know only from a book.
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But he might not be quite so severe or convinced he's right.
For many age brings with it a greater stubborness.
I'd rather be stubborn about something I have actually experienced than about something I know only from a book.
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Dismissing Pariah's position based soley on his age and implying that if he were older he would see it your way is no more helpfull to your position than focusing on the damage to the rectum is for his.
Oh well. I tried.
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But he might not be quite so severe or convinced he's right.
For many age brings with it a greater stubborness.
I'd rather be stubborn about something I have actually experienced than about something I know only from a book.
see?
I never said I was stubborn. I just said, "I'd rather..."
Jumping to conclusions there, guy.
But if we're talking homosexuality...I've had, oh, about 30 years to think about it and all its ramifications in my life.
Pariah hasn't been alive that long to think about anything.
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Pariah hasn't been alive that long to think about anything.
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Dismissing Pariah's position based soley on his age and implying that if he were older he would see it your way is no more helpfull to your position than focusing on the damage to the rectum is for his.
Oh well. I tried.
I do think that the damage done to the rectum could demonstrate that anal sex isn't the intended perpoys of the rectum by the natural order, clearly from a purely darwinian position it could be defined as futile at best. The problem with hinging your argument so hevily on this one aspect is the simple fact that people do things every day that go against the natural order. Even God fearing hetero-sexual couples do things that are futile according to the natuaral order. If it could be demonstrated that anal sex could be harmfull to others not involved you would have an argument. This is why I personally think that anti-sodomy laws are a trivial over-extention of government.
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FUCK. YOU.
Witty. But I've heard it before, boy.
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The problem with hinging your argument so hevily on this one aspect is the simple fact that people do things every day that go against the natural order.
I've already addressed that when I referenced to Uschi that those actions, practiced on a grand scale, won't hurt society. Such isn't the case with sodomy.
Are you saying that you read my recent arguments and disagree with them? Or are you saying that you get the gist and don't need to read anymore?
Honest question.
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FUCK. YOU.
Witty. But I've heard it before, boy.
Wasn't meant to be witty.
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Witty. But I've heard it before, boy.
Wasn't meant to be witty.
I laughed nonetheless.
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Even God fearing hetero-sexual couples do things that are futile according to the natuaral order.
I have said the same damned thing til I'm blue in the face. But he will not listen.
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BUT AS I SAID ALREADY!!
I realize that straight couples do that shit too, but homosexuals are the strongest proponent voice of it, thus I focus on them and their vehemence.
When I've denounced sodomy, I've never absolutey confined its context to homosexuals, but all human beings in general. We'd all know this if you read what I said.
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The problem with hinging your argument so hevily on this one aspect is the simple fact that people do things every day that go against the natural order.
I've already addressed that when I referenced to Uschi that those actions, practiced on a grand scale, won't hurt society. Such isn't the case with sodomy.
Are you saying that you read my recent arguments and disagree with them? Or are you saying that you get the gist and don't need to read anymore?
Honest question.
I agree that the facts of the health issues are accurate and i think they make a limited point. However i think you're over reaching with the implications of those facts. I agree that teh facts demonstrate that there is an unnatural aspect to anal sex. That's as far as i think that set of facts go as unnatural doesn't necessarily equate to "wrong". If it's your position that an increse in homosexuality would be harmfull to society then you'll have to find something other than the effects of anal sex on the rectum to demonstrate that.
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But I haven't been asserting merely that it's unnatural, but that it's detrimental--Especially if widely practiced.
And I never said "increase in homosexuality". I did, however, say increase is sodomy.
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But I haven't been asserting merely that it's unnatural, but that it's detrimental--Especially if widely practiced.
And I never said "increase in homosexuality". I did, however, say increase is sodomy.
It's only detrimental to those who practice it based on the "sphincter" argument.
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No it's not. With its growing practice, it's not merely confined to physical destruction anymore, in which case, we leave legal boundaries, which was the main association with ass abuse that concerned kids and special rights, and breach mass health concerns--Not only in the case of physical hurt, but also mutating bacterial/viral risk.
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Well, that's what you need to demonstrate. Also you would need to answer the question of how you suggest this be enforced.
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Well, that's what you need to demonstrate. Also you would need to answer the question of how you suggest this be enforced.
I've already demonstrated it--For fuck's sake!
What, you want another re-summary?
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As I already said, in response to Uschi's skateboarding example, when one plays sports, they don't try to get hurt. When one decides to plug themself or have someone else plug them, there's no way you can't get hurt.
That's what I was saying. This is the core of the disagreement between us and it's going to be a stalemate. I can't prove to you that I'm right, you can't prove to me that you're right. The end.
By the way, just because someone addersses something you already mentioned does not mean they did not read your first post regarding said subject. A lot of the stuff you posted as arguments seems retarded and close-minded to me so I can see why someone might want to still challange you. Just because you state what makes sense to you doesn't mean anyone else has to agree. You aren't convincing to everyone just beacuse it makes a lot of sense in your head.
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Well, that's what you need to demonstrate. Also you would need to answer the question of how you suggest this be enforced.
I've already demonstrated it--For fuck's sake!
What, you want another re-summary?
Or, instead of a knee-jerk response like that, you might consider adressing the issue from a new angle. Try a different approach. Your sore sphincter isn't cutting it for anyone.
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That's what I was saying. This is the core of the disagreement between us and it's going to be a stalemate. I can't prove to you that I'm right, you can't prove to me that you're right. The end.
First: It's not the core of our disagreement. I think you've just tricked yourself into believing that since you got the argument all scattered.
Second: Simply because you can not get past the barrier of notable intent on the part of sodomy practitioners, that doesn't mean your defensive proclamation of "Stalemate!" holds water.
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By the way, just because someone addersses something you already mentioned does not mean they did not read your first post regarding said subject. A lot of the stuff you posted as arguments seems retarded and close-minded to me so I can see why someone might want to still challange you. Just because you state what makes sense to you doesn't mean anyone else has to agree. You aren't convincing to everyone just beacuse it makes a lot of sense in your head.
So essentially they don't like my "retarded and close-minded" arguments I made earlier but they now address them even though they already know I have a stance on them that they can approach and scrutinize me from?
Please don't lecture me on what's "retarded". They've obviously ignored what I wrote cuz' they didn't address it right away.
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Or, instead of a knee-jerk response like that, you might consider adressing the issue from a new angle. Try a different approach. Your sore sphincter isn't cutting it for anyone.
A "new angle"? He wants me to show him why I feel my consistent point holds bearing, but the fact of the matter is, he can read up on it within pages prior. Please to note how his comments evolved from scrutinizing me about the abuse of the rectum and turned to the danger of sodomy's wide-spread casual use--Which, again, was already covered. Plus, I've addressed your arguments in more ways than simply from the "sphincter approach".
He's not asking me to cover "new angles", just re-state past posts.
Stop asking me to repeat myself and continue to re-summarize arguments I've thoroughly stated simply because you decide you don't want to read what I have to say--Not only because you can't be bothered to read that much (apparently), but also because I'm "retarded". If you don't like what I say, then don't respond to me. You're only continuing to contradict yourself that way. Same goes to Jim who calls me young and ignorant. Same goes to Klinton who continually said he was leaving the argument but came back for my sake.
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