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The paragraph that mentions lisping hairdressers was written by Matter Eater Man, not by me.
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BTW, what's the problem with lisping hairdressers? I've known a few and not only did I get great doos, I got a lot of entertainment, too! Must be balding guy envy or something.
Sorry that was me. Nothing against lisping hairdressers, (although they may not care for me since I shave my head  I used it as an example of a gay stereotype. While Jim didn't say anything about lisping hairdressers he did have a list that was much broader than the example I substituted in IMHO. Quote:
the queens, the twinks, the leather men, rough trade...
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I think it's the realization that the folks that hate or fear gay people don't really care if you raised nice kids & that your a profesional who goes to work with a boring suit & tie everyday. You will always be just as bad & repulsive as "the queens, the twinks, the leather men, rough trade..." because you like cock just as much as the lisping hair dresser does. We are all in the same boat, like it or not.
I don't like it. I'd like to aspire to something other than that, better than that. We're winning a lot of battles, and I do see progress. I see friends of my high school age daughter coming out in an environment of greater acceptance (sadly, not total) than would have been present in my day. But I'm not ready to be resigned to anything.
Hmmn, who actually makes up the "we" part though? I know quite a few "queens, twinks,& leather men" that donate time & money to various events. Quite a few people that you seem to consider inferior. Other than counsling young gays on the internet, what else do you do Jim to help win any battles? How exactly are you better than they?
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Hmmn, who actually makes up the "we" part though? I know quite a few "queens, twinks,& leather men" that donate time & money to various events. Quite a few people that you seem to consider inferior.
I also know gay men who contribute money and time to gay causes, and these people do not fall into those categories. It is not that I consider queens, etc. inferior. No. Don't try to paint me into that corner. I was speaking of the Pride parade and the stereotpyes *the parade* perpetuates. The queens et al. are not inferior as people, but they may very well appear as buffoons or worse to others. It doesn't mean they ARE buffoons, but perception is so so important.
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It seems I've hit a nerve here. I don't recall using the word "better" in anything I said.
But as far as what I do to help win any battles, I think I help in the most fundamental, basic, and ultimately most beneficial way possible: I'm a parent. I raise socially conscious, loving, tolerant, thoughtful pro-gay children and hope that the environment I've raised them in is one that they carry with them all the days of their lives and in all the things they do and to all the people they encounter on their personal journeys.
Tell me a more important "battle" than that.
Winning the war on anti-gay sentiment and homophobia is going to take a grass roots effort, a localized effort. The primary way to fight that fight is in the raising of a better generation.
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Hmmn, who actually makes up the "we" part though? I know quite a few "queens, twinks,& leather men" that donate time & money to various events. Quite a few people that you seem to consider inferior.
I also know gay men who contribute money and time to gay causes, and these people do not fall into those categories. It is not that I consider queens, etc. inferior. No. Don't try to paint me into that corner. I was speaking of the Pride parade and the stereotpyes *the parade* perpetuates. The queens et al. are not inferior as people, but they may very well appear as buffoons or worse to others. It doesn't mean they ARE buffoons, but perception is so so important.
Carl Rove or Lee Atwater could not have said it better. Perception is reality. As our mayor said it 'It's about living out loud.'.
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I'm sorry if I'm not into the flaming aspect of gay culture. You can take the boy out of the Indiana, but maybe you can't take the Indiana out of the boy.
But I will stick with my grass roots approach. I still defy anyone to tell me it's not where the real effort should lay.
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I'm sorry if I'm not into the flaming aspect of gay culture. You can take the boy out of the Indiana, but maybe you can't take the Indiana out of the boy.
But I will stick with my grass roots approach. I still defy anyone to tell me it's not where the real effort should lay.
Damn Midwesterners..... 
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Carl Rove or Lee Atwater could not have said it better. Perception is reality. As our mayor said it 'It's about living out loud.'.
Carl Rove...man, that really cuts me.... 
Frankly, the queens, twinks, etc. that take part in Pride Parades and the like...I think they're a minority within the gay community. Most gay people are more like me than like them. We don't stand out.
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Same-sex marriage law passes 158-133
Last Updated Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:45:06 EDT
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The Liberals' controversial same-sex marriage legislation has passed final reading in the House of Commons, sailing through in a 158-133 vote.
* INDEPTH: Same-sex Rights
Supported by most members of the Liberals, the Bloc Québécois and the NDP, the legislation passed easily, making Canada only the third country in the world, after the Netherlands and Belgium, to officially recognize same-sex marriage.
But the passage of Bill C-38, once again, came with a political price tag for the government. Joe Comuzzi, resigned from the cabinet so he could vote against the bill – an open rebuke of the government legislation.
Comuzzi was the minister responsible for Northern Ontario.
Although he was the only cabinet minister to break ranks with Prime Minister Paul Martin over the controversial plan to legalize the marriage of gays and lesbians, it highlighted the divisions within Canada and within the Liberal party, pitting supporters of equality rights against those who are defending religious freedoms.
For Comuzzi, the decision to resign meant putting principles ahead of the privileges of cabinet. "In 2004, during the election, I promised faithfully to the people of Thunder Bay-Superior North, that I would defend the definition of marriage," he said, explaining his move.
The prime minister said he regretted the decision of a man he called an "old friend," but accepts it because the government must speak with one voice on same-sex marriage.
The "vote is about the Charter of Rights," said Martin. "We're a nation of minorities and in a nation of minorities you don't cherry-pick rights."
The government has moved over the last few months to appease critics both within Liberal ranks and among Canadians at large. Amendments were introduced to ensure no religious group or charitable organization would be forced to accept same-sex marriage. But in spite of those amendments some groups remain unconvinced.
Same-sex marriage remains one of the most difficult issues ever to confront Canadian politicians. In large part passage of the bill is the reason the parliamentary session was extended for the first time in 17 years.
Prime Minister Paul Martin, left, with MP Joe Comuzzi, who quit his junior cabinet position Tuesday. (CP photo)
But while Tuesday night's vote closes off the debate in the Commons, the Conservatives insist there is no closure for Canadians who believe marriage should continue to be defined as the union of a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others.
Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says if his party forms the next government, the law will be revisited.
Harper made the promise one day after suggesting the adoption of the law lacked legitimacy because it relied on the support of the separatist Bloc Québécois. Harper said he believes Bloc MPs are the legitimate representatives of Quebec voters. But he argues most Canadians aren't buying it as a final decision since most federalist MPs are opposed to same-sex marriage.
Harper says a Conservative government would hold a free vote for all MPs on the matter, rather than forcing cabinet ministers to vote with the government.
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I would like to know the reasoning behind the lack of coverage of the 'gay marriage bill' on American news sites. Seriously, there are headlines about the latest random bombings in Iraq and shit, as well as the attempts to stop drug sales from Canada....but not a one for this momentus legislation.
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I would like to know the reasoning behind the lack of coverage of the 'gay marriage bill' on American news sites. Seriously, there are headlines about the latest random bombings in Iraq and shit, as well as the attempts to stop drug sales from Canada....but not a one for this momentus legislation.
Probably because it's not a hot topic for anyone outside the gay community right now. The uproar of last year's spring and fall has died down, congressional election are a year away. Once the campaigns get going and the Republicans (why don't we call them Torries?) use it as a wedge issue it will be in US news again.
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Hmmn, who actually makes up the "we" part though? I know quite a few "queens, twinks,& leather men" that donate time & money to various events. Quite a few people that you seem to consider inferior.
I also know gay men who contribute money and time to gay causes, and these people do not fall into those categories. It is not that I consider queens, etc. inferior. No. Don't try to paint me into that corner. I was speaking of the Pride parade and the stereotpyes *the parade* perpetuates. The queens et al. are not inferior as people, but they may very well appear as buffoons or worse to others. It doesn't mean they ARE buffoons, but perception is so so important.
Not trying to paint you into a corner Jim. If the "butch dykes, the queens, the twinks, the leather men, rough trade, that kind of thing" are OK (not inferior) than I don't understand how you can rationalize hiding them away in an effort to appease ignorant people. I shook hands with my mayor this weekend. He didn't have a problem being in a gay pride parade with all sorts of dragqueens, leather guys and the like. Nor did several people running for office. The late Senator Wellstone never minded either. The gay cops & firemen were OK being there. PFLAG same thing. Folks like Unrestrained ID had a blast. The parades are fun & they promote tolerance & diversity.
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It seems I've hit a nerve here. I don't recall using the word "better" in anything I said.
A couple of posts ago you said "I'd like to aspire to something other than that, better than that." That was in reference to my saying we were all in the same boat, at least that's what I thought. What exactly are you aspiring to there?
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But as far as what I do to help win any battles, I think I help in the most fundamental, basic, and ultimately most beneficial way possible: I'm a parent. I raise socially conscious, loving, tolerant, thoughtful pro-gay children and hope that the environment I've raised them in is one that they carry with them all the days of their lives and in all the things they do and to all the people they encounter on their personal journeys.
Tell me a more important "battle" than that.
Winning the war on anti-gay sentiment and homophobia is going to take a grass roots effort, a localized effort. The primary way to fight that fight is in the raising of a better generation.
Well Jim, I'm sure you helped raise some good kids but that really is the duty & responsibility of any parent. I think everyone can understand parenting is a demanding job & requires most of your time & resources. But looking at all the progress that has been made concerning gays in the last couple of decades, how much of a role did parents raising a better generation play? Way I see it, the folks who couldn't or wouldn't hide their gayness created events & organizations like gay pride. These things grew & now you have politicians & major companies attending them, competing for our attention. Essentially the people that your worried about making us look bad were the same types who made things better for us in the first place.
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Well Jim, I'm sure you helped raise some good kids but that really is the duty & responsibility of any parent.
It's also our responsibility to recycle, but we don't. It's also our responsibility to obey the law. But not everydoes.
I'm sorry, but I see how some other parents raise their kids, and I believe I am going many extra miles.
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Yeah, there's always a "but" when it follows a line like that.
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Way I see it, the folks who couldn't or wouldn't hide their gayness created events & organizations like gay pride. These things grew & now you have politicians & major companies attending them, competing for our attention. Essentially the people that your worried about making us look bad were the same types who made things better for us in the first place.
Pride Parades are not accurate reflections of who the gay community is on any kind of day-to-day existence. That is what I meant by my original remark of "better" that I aspire to, and I apologize for its lack of clarity. Maybe most of those in the parade do, too. I just know that I find much of the parade caricaturish. My life is not a caricature.
The Pride Parade is a once a year event. Being gay occurs the remaining 364 days of the year, too.
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It's also our responsibility to recycle, but we don't. It's also our responsibility to obey the law. But not every one does.
I'm sorry, but I see how some other parents raise their kids, and I believe I am going many extra miles.
Sorry but I believe that is your duty to do a good job. Your certainly entitled to feel good about doing it but gauging it by what other parents are not doing seems like parenting on a curve. No big surprise but I like my parent's approach better.
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Nobody says it would be easy, nobody said it would be quick.
My point was that a huge amount of progress has been made & relatively quick. I don't think that was accomplished by your generational approach.
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Way I see it, the folks who couldn't or wouldn't hide their gayness created events & organizations like gay pride. These things grew & now you have politicians & major companies attending them, competing for our attention. Essentially the people that your worried about making us look bad were the same types who made things better for us in the first place. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Pride Parades are not accurate reflections of who the gay community is on any kind of day-to-day existence. That is what I meant by my original remark of "better" that I aspire to, and I apologize for its lack of clarity. Maybe most of those in the parade do, too. I just know that I find much of the parade caricaturish. My life is not a caricature.
The Pride Parade is a once a year event. Being gay occurs the remaining 364 days of the year, too.
There really is no accurate reflections of who the gay community is on any kind of day-to-day existence, that couldn't exist unless we were Borg. The parade isn't but you the individual person isn't neither. Like everybody else, we're all different. The pride weekends however accomplish things you can't do. This weekend politicians showed up, major companies showed up, money was raised to help people in need. While people were in the streets feeling good this weekend you made somebody feel bad for participating in something they were excited about. (a fundraising event perhaps?) Your behavior was literally the only negative I ran into this weekend.
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Sorry but I believe that is your duty to do a good job. Your certainly entitled to feel good about doing it but gauging it by what other parents are not doing seems like parenting on a curve. No big surprise but I like my parent's approach better.
You'll forgive me if I continue to look at my work as a parent as perhaps my proudest accomplishment.
I find your parenting attitude far too dismissive.
Have kids of your own, come back to me, and then let's talk about it.
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While people were in the streets feeling good this weekend you made somebody feel bad for participating in something they were excited about.
I didn't "make" anyone feel bad. Other than in this forum and with another gay friend of mine who holds the same opinions about the Pride Parade that I do, I didn't talk to anyone. Wait, I take that back. I looked at another friend's photos of the event and I didn't give him any grief at all about it because I know he values it, has fun, etc. He is a friend after all. To piss on his fun wouldn't make me much of a friend.
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Then you can view that in one of two ways: Either I'm unique and the sole owner of this kind of opinion. Or I'm not unique and there are other gays who feel as I do.
Which do you choose?
And if my remarks here literally ruined your experience of Pride, then your self-esteem seems to me on shaky grounds to begin with.
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You'll forgive me if I continue to look at my work as a parent as perhaps my proudest accomplishment.
I find your parenting attitude far too dismissive.
Have kids of your own, come back to me, and then let's talk about it.
Sorry if I sound dismissive, you'll have to blame my folks on that one. That's how I was raised. Seems like common sense to me. Nobody forced you to have kids. The kids you brought into this world have needs. You created those needs by having kids. You may be a better parent than the folks next door but that doesn't make you a good parent. What makes you a good parent is how you take care of those needs(that you created) If I did ever have kids I would hope that I would do as my folks did & as my siblings are doing right now with my godchildren. And Jim, I didn't in any way intend to say your a bad parent. I'll take your word that your a good parent. As I've said repeatedly, you should be proud of a good job. I'm just pointing out the simple difference between "better" & "good".
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I didn't "make" anyone feel bad. Other than in this forum and with another gay friend of mine who holds the same opinions about the Pride Parade that I do, I didn't talk to anyone. Wait, I take that back. I looked at another friend's photos of the event and I didn't give him any grief at all about it because I know he values it, has fun, etc. He is a friend after all. To piss on his fun wouldn't make me much of a friend.
I was referring to where you posted..."Yesterday afternoon, they held the drag softball game. I'm sorry, but I find that in many ways pathetic. I may have even lost a gay friend over it, because I told him I found it pathetic. He got mad, huffed off and walked away."
I agree with you, that doesn't make you much of a friend.
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Then you can view that in one of two ways: Either I'm unique and the sole owner of this kind of opinion. Or I'm not unique and there are other gays who feel as I do.
Which do you choose?
I'm sure there are other gays that share your opinions. In the past I would have expected to see the parade poo poo'ed by some sectors of the general public. Instead it came from you.
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No, you certainly didn't do that. It just caught me by surprise coming from you. It won't in the future. I think your wrong. Maybe after a couple of more years out of the closet, your opinion will change. Till then, do enjoy your gay chat lines & websites that are a so much better presentation of gay life to the public at large. 
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Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean. I've always been rotten with wording things. I think Jim Jackson's a pretty neat guy, we just disagree on this topic.
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I know that I live in a city that is not typical of the USA. The 4th is coming and there will be the annual fireworks show (aka the lighting of the fog) and probably a parade as well. But the magnatude of the celebration pales in comparison to last weeks Pride Day. Visitors from around the globe came to town for that event. The party started a week prior to it, and was attended by a million people.
Just as the Beatles were ' more popular than Jesus ', Pride day is more popular than the 4th of July!
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Just as the Beatles were ' more popular than Jesus ', Pride day is more popular than the 4th of July!
Oh come now....
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Just as the Beatles were ' more popular than Jesus ', Pride day is more popular than the 4th of July!
Oh come now....
You're just trying to get G-Man started with all his crazy bullshit, ain't cha?
I was really lookin' for a 3000 word rant from Pariah 'bout how fucked up that is!
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I was referring to where you posted..."Yesterday afternoon, they held the drag softball game. I'm sorry, but I find that in many ways pathetic. I may have even lost a gay friend over it, because I told him I found it pathetic. He got mad, huffed off and walked away."
I agree with you, that doesn't make you much of a friend.
But in the long run, it's ok. He wasn't much of a friend either. Perhaps "friend" was an overstatement on my part. He was more an acquaintance.
The other friend I mentioned I value as a friend.
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No, you certainly didn't do that. It just caught me by surprise coming from you. It won't in the future. I think your wrong. Maybe after a couple of more years out of the closet, your opinion will change. Till then, do enjoy your gay chat lines & websites that are a so much better presentation of gay life to the public at large.
I don't think I've been wholly typical in anything I've done LOL.
I think the reference about chat lines and websites was a bit harsh, though. The fact that we're here in this forum having a disagreement tells me we all like this kind of interaction, at least to some of the same degree.
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Another gay Republican supporting those which would destroy him.
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Rick Santorum's Communications Director confirms to PageOneQ he is gay, stands behind Senator
by Michael Rogers
In a phone call recorded by PageOneQ and blogACTIVE.com, Robert Traynham, Director of Communications for United States Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) has said he is an out gay man who completely supports the Senator.
When asked how a gay man could speak for one of the nation's most notorious homophobes, Traynham, left, protested that has "been with the Senator for eight years." Traynham went on to say "Senator Santorum is a man of principle, he is a man who sticks up for what he believes in, I strongly do support Senator Santorum."
When pressed on whether he supported the Senator's stands on lesbian and gay issues, Mr. Traynham abruptly ended the phone call by saying "Senator Santorum is a family man with "I have been with Senator Santorum for eight years and I am very proud to be with him."
An attempt to follow-up with a question was met with Mr. Traynham hanging up the phone.
Senator Santorum, who trails the presumptive Democratic nominee by double digits in a recent Quinnipiac College poll, has been a staunch opponent of lesbian and gay rights and one of the Senate's strongest supporters of the Federal Marriage Amendment. The amendment would prohibit lesbian and gay couples from ever achieving marriage equality in the United States by requiring that all marriages be between one man and one woman.
"Isn't that the ultimate homeland security? To defend the sanctity of marriage?" asked Senator Santorum during last year's debate on the cloture motion to force a vote on the Amendment. The statement was seen by many gay and lesbian community members as a way to tie the struggle for lesbian and gay equality to the President's "war on terror."
In an interview with the Associated Press, the Senator suggested that the government has the right to prohibit gay and lesbian individuals from expressing love for each other physically. "The idea is that the state doesn't have rights to limit individuals' wants and passions. I disagree with that," said the Senator, "I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire. And we're seeing it in our society."
One month ago today, the Liberty Pennsylvania PAC, a Pennsylvania based political action committee mounted a joint effort with the national gay and lesbian democratic club, Stonewall Democrats, to help unseat Senator Santorum.
A number of years ago, openly gay columnist and writer Dan Savage began a campaign to educate citizens as to the meaning of the noun "santorum." PageOneQ visitors are able to see the site which developed from that effort, SpreadingSantorum.com (Please note: the site is for adults only and contains sexually explicit writing.)
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Gay issues < > Far Right Conservatism
Gay men who don't realize this really make me sad.
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Gay issues < > Far Right Conservatism
Gay men who don't realize this really make me sad.
Can you say "S E L F - H A T I N G"?
I am totally shocked by this line:
"Senator Santorum suggested that the government has the right to prohibit gay and lesbian individuals from expressing love for each other physically."
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Ignorance is usually shocking...
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I am totally shocked by this line:
"Senator Santorum suggested that the government has the right to prohibit gay and lesbian individuals from expressing love for each other physically."
This is the kind of remark that should shock gay, str8, and bi people.
The fascism inherent in that remark...damn.
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Another gay Republican supporting those which would destroy him.
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Can you say "S E L F - H A T I N G"?
Any homosexual who disagrees with you is "self-hating". I love it!
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Ignorance is usually shocking...
Heh! If it's not ignorance from being straight and disagreeing with gays (and thus not truly understanding them  ), it's simply ignorance from being on the right.
You guys crack me up.
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Any homosexual who disagrees with you is "self-hating". I love it!
Ok, dear Pariah, do you genuinely feel that Santorum has the best interests of gay people in mind?
What sort of explanation do you ascribe to a gay person who support Santorum?
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Any homosexual who disagrees with you is "self-hating". I love it!
Ok, dear Pariah, do you genuinely feel that Santorum has the best interests of gay people in mind?
What sort of explanation do you ascribe to a gay person who support Santorum?
This guy, Robert Traynham, is guilty of careerism. He took a look around and decided that the Republican party was the best place to achieve his career ambitions. Being an aid to a high profile senator looks good on the resume, no matter who it is. Look at RFK and Joe McCarthy for example.
Hypocracy hasn't been a career impediment for many politicians. Hopefully when he's done with the Santorum gig he'll move up the food chain to an appointed position in the administration. Politics ain't bean-bag. 
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Ignorance is usually shocking...
Heh! If it's not ignorance from being straight and disagreeing with gays (and thus not truly understanding them ), it's simply ignorance from being on the right.
You guys crack me up.
Think about how we feel about you...
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If we're discussing Rick Santorum, can I mention his bringing his dead fetus home so his kids could interact with it?
Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else. --Will Rogers
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I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would .. try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile. - Condoleeza Rice
Barbara Bush: It's Good Enough for the Poor
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