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How much time have you spent behind bars, Pariah?
I haven't, but my brother has. Plus, my brother in law's brother.
Ah, well congrats, I guess.
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....Thanks?
...because you didn't follow them. Seriously.
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I see.
You've chosen to bypass discussion of the issue, and resorted to caricatures and insults instead.
No, I am disengaging myself, at this time, from this discussion. I find it fruitless and personally frustrating.
What is to you an "issue" is to gay men and women their lives. I will not lower myself to make a euphemism of my life for the sake of carrying on a discussion/argument with you.
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Jim you should try taking some of me right now. You'll feel better. Those cramps will go away I promise.
You could really use some of me right now.
Is it that time of the month already?
Did somebody say PMS?
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I see.
You've chosen to bypass discussion of the issue, and resorted to caricatures and insults instead.
No, I am disengaging myself, at this time, from this discussion. I find it fruitless and personally frustrating.
What is to you an "issue" is to gay men and women their lives. I will not lower myself to make a euphemism of my life for the sake of carrying on a discussion/argument with you.
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I don't commit any of those crimes you mentioned and I'm queer. I'd wager none of the other gay people on the board do either
Does alcoholism really belong in the same sentence as those other behaviours? It's a very common problem and not a crime.
I didn't say that because someone is gay, they're also a pedophile, alcoholic, thief, etc.
I only made the point that homosexuality, similar to all these other disorders, is a compulsive behavior.
The DSM IV and almost all mental health professionals would disagree with your assesment of homosexuality. It's no more a 'compulsive behaviour' than hetro sex is.
As no one should have a right by natural compulsion to rape, murder, steal, be alcoholic, a pedophile, etc., homosexuals shouldn't necessarily have a constitutional right to practice homosexuality.
What do you want o do? Make gay sex a crime? I don't know of a movement to create a Gay Rights Amendment. Gays are a minority and seek to enjoy the same rights as the majority.
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Sorry, you can't get there from here. Like str8s, some gay people are promiscuous, some aren't. I was very promiscuous when I was younger, almost exclusivly with women. My ideal now is one male and one female lover. Does that make me promiscuous?
BTW if you're going to cite a source not available in this thread, link it, please.
Here you go, Magicjay.
I did post a link to the previous topic, way back on page 6 of this new topic, but here it is again.
This time linked to the specific part of the prior topic I was referring to:
Canada allows same-sex marriage, page 22.
HERE
My first link is about two-thirds down the topic page.
You completely dodged the issue: promiscuity. You can complain about my asking for proper citations but isn't a writer's job to communicate to the reader?
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No, I am disengaging myself, at this time, from this discussion. I find it fruitless and personally frustrating.
What is to you an "issue" is to gay men and women their lives. I will not lower myself to make a euphemism of my life for the sake of carrying on a discussion/argument with you.
I know how you feel Jim. I left this thread alone for a while for the same reasons. You can't debate much when one side is only willing to essentially promote their "facts" despite it being completely alien to your own experiences.
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I didn't say that because someone is gay, they're also a pedophile, alcoholic, thief, etc.
I only made the point that homosexuality, similar to all these other disorders, is a compulsive behavior.
The DSM IV and almost all mental health professionals would disagree with your assesment of homosexuality. It's no more a 'compulsive behaviour' than hetro sex is.
You clearly haven't read what was previously written, either my previous comments on pages 5 and 6 of this topic, or read the studies I posted in the previous topic. (Which I linked for you, specifically at your request)
The Reader's Digest version is:
1) Among psychology/psychiatry professionals, homosexuality until 1973 was diagnosed as an obsessive-compulsive disorder.
2) That there are still many studies and centers that STILL treat homosexuality as a treatable disorder, despite that the mainstream of the psychology/psychiatry profession has removed it from the list of disorders, out of pro-gay bias and political correctness.
3) As I also posted, there is a pro-gay backlash against any psychological study done that sincerely questions the politically correct pro-gay stance that has been leveraged on the psycho-professional community, that reflexively trashes anyone who makes sincere inquiry beyond the politically correct pro-gay stance. A trashing that many professionals are not willing to subject themselves to, in order to do a serious study that will contradict the pro-gay intimidation and holy war on progress and truth.
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4) That the studies I posted were all done by psychologists WHO ARE THEMSELVES FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS, who certainly have no lack of compassion for, or firsthand knowledge of, the gay experience. The lack of experience that you berate me for not having.
( Which is a bullshit argument anyway, the old "you can't know what it's like unless you're gay, black, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a compulsive gambler, a pedophile, a serial killer" whatever.
No crime or social assessment of any kind could ever be done of any kind, if everyone held this same attitude.
I'll say it again: It's a bullshit argument ).
But in any case, highly knowledgeable people of the gay experience have posted studies, and successfully treated individuals out of the gay compulsion.
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As no one should have a right by natural compulsion to rape, murder, steal, be alcoholic, a pedophile, etc., homosexuals shouldn't necessarily have a constitutional right to practice homosexuality.
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What do you want [to] do? Make gay sex a crime? I don't know of a movement to create a Gay Rights Amendment. Gays are a minority and seek to enjoy the same rights as the majority.
You again clearly haven't read what I wrote, either here or in the previous topic (which I again linked specifically at your request).
I've said many times that I support gays having rights within a secular framework.
( i.e., where gay rights do not infringe on religious freedom of Christians. Or on freedom of other faiths, and perhaps even on freedom of many athiests and agnostics, who might have objections to homosexuality and wish to insulate themselves and their children from politically correct pro-gay ideology and indoctrination).
In the instance of "Gay Marriage" or other legal circumstances that protect gays as an ethnic group (as opposed to theirs being the chosen behavior group that they truly are) where any criticism of homosexuality on religious grounds would be labelled a "hate crime" punishable by fines or even imprisonment, is an intrusion on FREEDOM OF SPEECH and RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
And an intrusion, in the specific case of Christians (regarding their freedom to practice their faith in its true form as their Bible teaches them) on their ability to teach that homosexuality is immoral.
And in that specific instance, what the Bible (i.e., God's specific instruction) truly says about homosexuality and related issues, such as homosexuality's prevalence as a manifestation of cultural/moral decline (Romans 1:18-32).
And of rampant homosexuality as a Biblically predicted manifestation of the fulfillment of end-time prophecy, demonstrating the nearness of Christ's second coming.
( Along with other prophetic signs: the reformation of Israel, "knowledge increasing" in the information age, the rise of China as a global power, an increase in epidemic disease, and a sharp rise in storms, earthquakes and other natural disasters. )
A brief list of Biblical verses that condemn homosexuality, clearly, that would be publicly banned:
Gen 13:13
Gen 18 & 19
Lev 7:21, 18:22, 20:13
Romans 1:18-32
1 Cor 5:9-11, 6:9-11
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BTW if you're going to cite a source not available in this thread, link it, please.
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I did post a link to the previous topic, way back on page 6 of this new topic, but here it is again.
This time linked to the specific part of the prior topic I was referring to:
Canada allows same-sex marriage, page 22.
HERE
My first link is about two-thirds down the topic page.
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You completely dodged the issue: promiscuity. You can complain about my asking for proper citations but isn't a writer's job to communicate to the reader?
You've again ignored my previously posted and linked comments and examples, which you specifically requested.
I made VERY clear on page 6, in glowing red and blue text, that the Bible condemns all forms of adultery, and that homosexuality is ONE FORM of adultery, and that I have consistently and repeatedly said this.
my comments regarding this, page 6 of the topic:
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I didn't say that because someone is gay, they're also a pedophile, alcoholic, thief, etc.
I only made the point that homosexuality, similar to all these other disorders, is a compulsive behavior.
The DSM IV and almost all mental health professionals would disagree with your assesment of homosexuality. It's no more a 'compulsive behaviour' than hetro sex is.
You clearly haven't read what was previously written, either my previous comments on pages 5 and 6 of this topic, or read the studies I posted in the previous topic. (Which I linked for you, specifically at your request)
The Reader's Digest version is:
1) Among psychology/psychiatry professionals, homosexuality until 1973 was diagnosed as an obsessive-compulsive disorder.
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2) That there are still many studies and centers that STILL treat homosexuality as a treatable disorder, despite what the mainstream of the psychology/psychiatry profession has removed from the list of disorders out of pro-gay bias and political correctness.
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3) As I also posted, there is a pro-gay backlash against any psychological study done that sincerely questions the politically correct pro-gay stance that has been leveraged on the psycho-professional community, that reflexively trashes anyone who makes inquiry beyond the politically correct pro-gay stance, a trashing that many professionals are not willing to subject themselves to, in order to do a serious study that will contradict the pro-gay intimidation and holy war on progress and truth.
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4) That the studies I posted were all done by psychologists WHO ARE THEMSELVES FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS, who certainly have no lack of compassion for, or firsthand knowledge of, the gay experience. The lack of experience that you berate me for not having (which is a bullshit argument anyway, the old "you can't know what it's like unless you're gay, black, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a compulsive gamble, a pedophile, a serial killer whatever. No crime or social assessment of any kind could eve be done of any kind, if everyone held the same attitude. I'll dsay it again: It's a bullshit argument ).
But in any case, highly knowledgeable people of the gay experience have posted studies, and successfully treated individuals out of the gay compulsion.
I don't seek out referances I judge to be unreliable, so why would I look for yours? You can find authorities that deny the holocaust. I'll speak plainly. The information you constantly dredge up does not conform to my experience with the many LGBT folk that are my friends, lovers or aquaintences. None are engaged in the behaviours you attribute to us, though a few may drink too much. I don't need to be cured. I'm happy the way I am. So enjoy your bigoted, small minded thoughts. They are, as you say, Bullshit.
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I don't seek out referances [sic] I judge to be unreliable, so why would I look for yours?
You can find authorities that deny the holocaust.
I'll speak plainly. The information you constantly dredge up does not conform to my experience with the many LGBT folk that are my friends, lovers or aquaintences. None are engaged in the behaviours you attribute to us, though a few may drink too much. I don't need to be cured. I'm happy the way I am. So enjoy your bigoted, small minded thoughts. They are, as you say, Bullshit.
In other words, with hate and deep prejudice, you angrily reject any valid study, done by fellow homosexuals no less.
That would make YOU bigoted and small-minded... wouldn't it ?
I hasten to add that I've respectfully raised valid questions, and yourself, Jim Jackson and Klinton, have all dodged serious discussion of the issue and instead chosen to resort to personal insults and smear tactics.
In other words, you haven't got an intellectual leg to stand on.
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Wonder Boy do you honestly feel those studies are legitimate? Last time I checked they all were funded by groups with a definite political agenda. Ways they were conducted call into question any findings that these groups siezed upon to further their political agenda.
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1) Among psychology/psychiatry professionals, homosexuality until 1973 was diagnosed as an obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Yes. Until 1973.
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2) That there are still many studies and centers that STILL treat homosexuality as a treatable disorder, despite what the mainstream of the psychology/psychiatry profession has removed from the list of disorders out of pro-gay bias and political correctness.
First, you say that many studies and centers treat homosexuality as a treatable disorder. Could you give a side by side comparison in the number of those who do and those who don't? I'd venture to state that many more STILL do not treat homosexuality as a disorder of any kind. And, of course, the latter part of your statement is an opinion, not a fact. It's no more than an accusation. Quote:
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4) That the studies I posted were all done by psychologists WHO ARE THEMSELVES FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS, who certainly have no lack of compassion for, or firsthand knowledge of, the gay experience.
I'd disagree here. Many FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS would have a lack of compassion for the gay experience. That is why they are FORMER.
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I don't seek out references I judge to be unreliable, so why would I look for yours?
You can find authorities that deny the holocaust.
I'll speak plainly. The information you constantly dredge up does not conform to my experience with the many LGBT folk that are my friends, lovers or aquaintences. None are engaged in the behaviours you attribute to us, though a few may drink too much. I don't need to be cured. I'm happy the way I am. So enjoy your bigoted, small minded thoughts. They are, as you say, Bullshit.
In other words, with hate and deep prejudice, you angrily reject any valid study, done by fellow homosexuals no less.
That would make YOU bigoted and small-minded... wouldn't it ?
I hasten to add that I've respectfully raised valid questions, and yourself, Jim Jackson and Klinton, have all dodged serious discussion of the issue and instead chosen to resort to personal insults and smear tactics.
In other words, you haven't got an intellectiual leg to stand on.
I'm not angry or hateful. I guess it doesn't really matter to me what contrarian studies say on this subject, or what you think. It's not going to change my behaviour and I won't repent anytime soon. I see no crime in loving someone in either the physical or emotional sense regardless of their plumbing. You don't like gay sex? Don't engage in it. 'nuff said.
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1) Among psychology/psychiatry professionals, homosexuality until 1973 was diagnosed as an obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Yes. Until 1973.
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2) That there are still many studies and centers that STILL treat homosexuality as a treatable disorder, despite what the mainstream of the psychology/psychiatry profession has removed from the list of disorders out of pro-gay bias and political correctness.
First, you say that many studies and centers treat homosexuality as a treatable disorder. Could you give a side by side comparison in the number of those who do and those who don't? I'd venture to state that many more STILL do not treat homosexuality as a disorder of any kind.
I suppose if 10,000 scientific studies said the world is flat, and only Magellan said the world is round, we should reject Magellan's work ?
I suspect that the psychological community, much like the news media, is dominated by liberal individuals sympathetic to the gay cause.
And the few that aren't are trashed for their studies that report to the contrary of the politically correct pro-gay agenda.
And many more are intimidated from doing sincere inquiries to avoid similar professional trashing and intimidation.
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And, of course, the latter part of your statement is an opinion, not a fact. It's no more than an accusation.
I see no factual counter-argument in your post.
My own assertions, in contrast, are based on the reports of psychological professionals, who are themselves former homosexuals.
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4) That the studies I posted were all done by psychologists WHO ARE THEMSELVES FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS, who certainly have no lack of compassion for, or firsthand knowledge of, the gay experience.
I'd disagree here. Many FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS would have a lack of compassion for the gay experience. That is why they are FORMER.
I see no factual basis in this statement of yours either.
Reading the sites for the psychological centers, they offer therapy to treat homosexuality as a disorder, and do so in a caring, supportive, understanding and compassionate way.
I saw nothing on any of their sites to indicate otherwise, despite your assumptions.
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Wonder Boy do you honestly feel those studies are legitimate? Last time I checked they all were funded by groups with a definite political agenda. Ways they were conducted call into question any findings that these groups siezed upon to further their political agenda.
And on Matter-Eater man's point, I fail to see that simply having ties to the Christian community nullifies their studies.
I'm confident you wouldn't feel the same way about gay support for pro-gay-agenda studies, which surely exist with similar pro-gay funding ties on the other side of the psychological community.
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4) That the studies I posted were all done by psychologists WHO ARE THEMSELVES FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS, who certainly have no lack of compassion for, or firsthand knowledge of, the gay experience.
I'd disagree here. Many FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS would have a lack of compassion for the gay experience. That is why they are FORMER.
Wednesday, if a gay guy says he was born gay, you're gonna take his word for it. If a guy who said he was born gay, then lived a gay lifestyle, then stopped being gay, you're gonna say he's full of shit. From your viewpoint, his testimony is all you need. i.e. You're all over the map here.
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DTWB said: I hasten to add that I've respectfully raised valid questions, and yourself, Jim Jackson and Klinton, have all dodged serious discussion of the issue and instead chosen to resort to personal insults and smear tactics.
Dave, please be accurate. I have not resorted to any smearing. I said you were a lost cause. That is, you will stand by what you believe on this particular "issue" regardless of what I or others say, however we say it.
I say again, what you minimize by calling an "issue" is to gay men and women everywhere their lives. Walk a mile in my shoes before you call something an "issue."
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Wonder Boy do you honestly feel those studies are legitimate? Last time I checked they all were funded by groups with a definite political agenda. Ways they were conducted call into question any findings that these groups siezed upon to further their political agenda.
And on Matter-Eater man's point, I fail to see that simply having ties to the Christian community nullifies their studies.
I'm confident you wouldn't feel the same way about gay support for pro-gay-agenda studies, which surely exist with similar pro-gay funding ties on the other side of the psychological community.
It depends how either of these groups conduct their studies. If they can't detail the process they used, had a small sampling size & only conducted the study for a short time I would take any results with a grain of salt, gay or anti gay conclusions.
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Wednesday, if a gay guy says he was born gay, you're gonna take his word for it. If a guy who said he was born gay, then lived a gay lifestyle, then stopped being gay, you're gonna say he's full of shit. From your viewpoint, his testimony is all you need. i.e. You're all over the map here.
What are you talking about? I never said someone who said he's stopped being gay is full of shit. I really don't know where you got that. All I said is this: the assumption that a former homosexual is compassionate toward the homosexual experience is incorrect. They might be the nicest people in the world, we don't know one way or the other, but to assume they're compassionate to practicing homosexuals is groundless.
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I suppose if 10,000 scientific studies said the world is flat, and only Magellan said the world is round, we should reject Magellan's work ?
What's your point here? Well, if 10,000 scientific studies said the world is round, and only Magellan said the world is flat, we should reject Magellan's work.
So?
You're comparing psychological opinions to scientifically certifiable facts. If you could give scientific proof that homosexuality is a compulsion, unlike heterosexuality, then the comparison would have a leg to stand on.
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I suspect that the psychological community, much like the news media, is dominated by liberal individuals sympathetic to the gay cause.
And the few that aren't are trashed for their studies that report to the contrary of the politically correct pro-gay agenda.
And many more are intimidated from doing sincere inquiries to avoid similar professional trashing and intimidation.
Okay, those are your suspicions. They don't actually support anything or have any real support of their own, but you are free to suspect.
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And, of course, the latter part of your statement is an opinion, not a fact. It's no more than an accusation.
I see no factual counter-argument in your post.
My own assertions, in contrast, are based on the reports of psychological professionals, who are themselves former homosexuals.
Everything you base your argument on is opinion. I'm simply pointing out that it's opinion and not fact.
These psychological professionals are themselves giving opinions. They might be psychological professionals, but this doesn't give their opinion on the matter of their own treatment within the professional community any more merit. I may say that I was treated poorly as a member of the United States military based on my race. The fact that I was a sailor doesn't, in itself, give my assertion credibility.
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4) That the studies I posted were all done by psychologists WHO ARE THEMSELVES FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS, who certainly have no lack of compassion for, or firsthand knowledge of, the gay experience.
I'd disagree here. Many FORMER PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS would have a lack of compassion for the gay experience. That is why they are FORMER.
I see no factual basis in this statement of yours either.
See above.
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Reading the sites for the psychological centers, they offer therapy to treat homosexuality as a disorder, and do so in a caring, supportive, understanding and compassionate way.
I saw nothing on any of their sites to indicate otherwise, despite your assumptions.
Assumptions, assumption. State facts and I'll work to do the same. State the opinions of others as fact, and you'll get what you give.
I'm not trying to rebuke what you say, only show that the opinions you site are that.
Seriously, I'm sure you'll say that everything you've sited is a fact, but there's nothing there. You give the opinions of the minority. You've argued that one must not be a homosexual, Muslim, or Jew to know something about the topic. I argue that being a homoseuxal, Muslim, or Jew does not make one an expert on the topic.
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Here is a new thread to discuss all things gay. Hopefully it will be inclusive & polite.
I think it's fitting to start it up with this story considering what is probably going to happen to the Canada to Allow Same Sex Marriage thread.
Well, Matter-eater Man, has history repeated itself?
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Well, Matter-eater Man, has history repeated itself?
It's one of those subjects that will always be hotly debated for the forseable future. People might get pissed, go away for a bit but they usually come back & offer up some interesting things to say.
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Is it ' off-topic and offensive to use Gay humour on Deep Thoughts? Frequently threads go off on a joke bender, frequently at the expense of another poster. PrincessElissa's genitalia and the size of Rex's penis have been mentioned on several occaisions. None of this draws the ire of the mods. So why is it that a couple of jokes about about penis preference, cut v. uncut, gets deleted? Do the straight boys find this humour terribly offensive? Just wondering. 
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So why is it that a couple of jokes about about penis preference, cut v. uncut, gets deleted? Do the straight boys find this humour terribly offensive? Just wondering.
I think it's obvious that their just showing a preference towards (ahem) cut over uncut 
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So why is it that a couple of jokes about about penis preference, cut v. uncut, gets deleted? Do the straight boys find this humour terribly offensive? Just wondering.
I think it's obvious that their just showing a preference towards (ahem) cut over uncut
Normally MEM I would agree. But I had a hooded monk just the other day.......
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Is it ' off-topic and offensive to use Gay humour on Deep Thoughts? Frequently threads go off on a joke bender, frequently at the expense of another poster. PrincessElissa's genitalia and the size of Rex's penis have been mentioned on several occaisions. None of this draws the ire of the mods.
So why is it that a couple of jokes about about penis preference, cut v. uncut, gets deleted? Do the straight boys find this humour terribly offensive? Just wondering.
I PM'd G-Man about that very point and chided him for removing the posts.
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Anway in both incidents the shooters asked the other studens, "Do you believe in God?" I do believe the kids said yes, and then they got shot. I know for certain the Columbine killers were into Satanism, so that type of persection does happen here in America. Funny, why did they want to take prayer out of schools? I bet you if we did have prayer in schools these type of shooting would have been avoided. You never heard of anything like that happening in schools when prayer was allowed.
That's the dumbest argument for prayer in school I've ever heard. There have always been crazy people, making them pray won't change them.
Maybe these kids were uber Christians and wanted to send god some new angels before they could be corrupted on prom night.
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What do school prayer. Satanism and shooters have to do with Gayness? Gay kids aren't going on school rampages. They're mostly content if their peers will just leave them alone!
But since this thread has been resurrected, I see we were talking about is Gayness curable, are we sick and how did we become so?
I have some simple answers to these questions: I really don't care. Why I like sex with men is of no importance. What is important is the way I feel when a man touches me, his course skin gliding over my softness, his erect penis pressed against me. It just does it for me.
And that is why I'm Gay.
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Holy crap! How did I miss this post?
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According to the ARIS study circa 2001, 76.5% of Americans(not included Alaskans or Hawaiins) identified themselves as Christians.
identified as isn't necessarily the same as being Christian. Large majorities of those self-proclaimed Christians are either lapsed, apathetic, or denominated in their beliefs of what makes Christianity--Which is generally more often diverse from the more legitimate beliefs in Christianity (the ones we're referring to anyway).
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I don't know about "more alluded". Generally, the idea of God is still a spiritual one, even if it has found its way into certain colloquialisms.
In Elementary school, all the way up to high school, when I said the pledge, the name/word "God" was never said with spiritual vigor by either me or anyone else around me. Spiritual origin? Maybe. But the spiritual strength behind the name/word has long since died down.
"God" has effectively been rounded down to an ideal image of man rather than an uncorruptable spiritual entity.
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What's your point here? Well, if 10,000 scientific studies said the world is round, and only Magellan said the world is flat, we should reject Magellan's work.
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You're comparing psychological opinions to scientifically certifiable facts. If you could give scientific proof that homosexuality is a compulsion, unlike heterosexuality, then the comparison would have a leg to stand on.
I think Dave's point was that you're putting undue confidence into one opinion over another for seemingly no reason. i.e. The most of the evidentiary support you have is only stated as being greater because a majority of people believe it is. Until 1973, society wasn't as open to homosexuality. The 70s was the borderline where it started bending over backwards for homosexuals. See where this is heading?
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I may say that I was treated poorly as a member of the United States military based on my race. The fact that I was a sailor doesn't, in itself, give my assertion credibility.
I don't get this example. I'd think the fact that you were a sailor does give your assertion some degree of credibility--Not counting any other extraneous factors that would take that credibility away.
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What are you talking about? I never said someone who said he's stopped being gay is full of shit. I really don't know where you got that. All I said is this: the assumption that a former homosexual is compassionate toward the homosexual experience is incorrect. They might be the nicest people in the world, we don't know one way or the other, but to assume they're compassionate to practicing homosexuals is groundless.
Urm.....Run that by me again. What do you mean by "compassionate"?
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Until 1973, society wasn't as open to homosexuality. The 70s was the borderline where it started bending over backwards for homosexuals. See where this is heading?
I see that you're alluding to the 1973 revision of the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual (DSM) wherein homosexuality was removed as a diagnosable mental illness.
But you make it sound like members of the American Psychological Association woke up one morning in 1973 and changed their minds on homosexuality.
It isn't like that. Individual clinicians and theoreticians had been reviewing and recosnidering their opinions on homosexuality throughout the 20th Century. As an exmaple, Sigmund Freud did not argue that homosexuality was a mental illness, though he told one mother whose son was homosexual that being homosexual won't offer him any advantage in society, but he did not decry her son as mentally ill or "sick."
Theories and understanding of mental illness evolved from mental illness being viewed within a Demonic/Witchcraft Model to the more current Medical Model.
Is a homosexuality really a mental illness? Is mental retardation a mental illness? Maybe yes to both. But that doesn't mean that we deny opportunities to either in those groups if they are able to function and succeed within those opportunities.
I think I'm on record as having said my life would be a whole easier if I were str8. But I'm not and I can't change that aspect of myself. But because I can't that doesn't mean that gays should be looked upon as lesser creatures deserving of a lesser life.
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Is a homosexuality really a mental illness? Is mental retardation a mental illness? Maybe yes to both. But that doesn't mean that we deny opportunities to either in those groups if they are able to function and succeed within those opportunities.
So your defense of the unwarranted and, in many instances, deceptive change is that it makes your life easier?
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Is a homosexuality really a mental illness? Is mental retardation a mental illness? Maybe yes to both. But that doesn't mean that we deny opportunities to either in those groups if they are able to function and succeed within those opportunities.
So your defense of the unwarranted and, in many instances, deceptive change is that it makes your life easier?
"Unwarranted" & "deceptive"? 
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The 70s was the borderline where it started bending over backwards for homosexuals.
I am not an expert on the subject, but I believe bending over forwards probably works better...
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I'm sure it would have worked fine. But they've decided to go the extra mile. Quote:
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"Unwarranted" & "deceptive"?
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Is a homosexuality really a mental illness? Is mental retardation a mental illness? Maybe yes to both. But that doesn't mean that we deny opportunities to either in those groups if they are able to function and succeed within those opportunities.
So your defense of the unwarranted and, in many instances, deceptive change is that it makes your life easier?
You need subtitles on this one because I have no idea what you're talking about.
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You just explained that the reason for the change in the stance for homosexuality had nothing to do with medical science, but rather with social issues.
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You think advances and changes in medical science have nothing to do with social forces?
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You'll have to forgive Pariah.
And his extra chromosome.
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You think advances and changes in medical science have nothing to do with social forces?
I assumed Pariah meant that social forces should not affect empirical evidence one way or another.
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