The main problem with r3x's post is that lays a whole bunch of arguments down that assume too much. He's like the poster-child of modern stereotypes.

Quote:

r3x29yz4a said:
I didn't know that the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, and Aztecs were Jewish/Christian.
Fascinating.



Those weren't the first civilizations. Pre-flood strata has shown that civilization pre-dated those cultures. And that subscribes to the account of the Old Testament.

Quote:

Again, I hadn't realized that all of these early societies were evil and without any morals or laws whatsoever.



They had laws, but they didn't have morals. The concept of "morals" or even basic individual rights is derived from religion.

Quote:

Or maybe realized that the bible might not be accurate and was used wayyyy too much to justify death and misery.



Through anlysis made by paleontology as well as geology, the case for the Old Testament has been constantly reinforced. It's already been proven that there was a world-wide flood and the same goes for the demolishing of Sodom and Gamorrah. The New Testament's already been proven by historians to be an accurate account.

Tell me, where has it been used to "justify death and misery" as opposed to the majority of past secular cultures?


Quote:

poor Christians. have a few inquisitions and crusades and people just don't understand you.



I'm sure you've already heard what I had to say on both the subject of the Crusades and the inquisitions. If you wanna dispute that go ahead. You condescension doesn't prove anything though.

Quote:

and the jews? wasn't it mainly Christians who have persecuted them over the last few thousand years.



No.

Quote:

most secular groups can't convince followers of a divine afterlife.



I don't see the relevence. It's the convincing that's the issue, not what they try to convince people of.