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Well, Dickwad, we're all progeny of incest. Since the world was repopulated after the not so great flood by Noe's daughters lying with him after the old geezer had drunk too much T-bird! 
It was actually Lot who got drunk. Since he and his daughters were living in a cave out of fear of living in Zoar (after the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah), his daughters had no men to continue the family line, so they got Lot drunk and had sex with him. Genesis 19: 30-32
Maybe you were joking about that, I don't know. But I figured in case somebody saw that and took it as canon I'd correct it.
Actually, I just remembered that it's both. One of Noah's sons was in the vicinity of Noah whilst he was drunk on wine and took advantage of his inebriated state.
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Well, Dickwad, we're all progeny of incest. Since the world was repopulated after the not so great flood by Noe's daughters lying with him after the old geezer had drunk too much T-bird!
It was actually Lot who got drunk. Since he and his daughters were living in a cave out of fear of living in Zoar (after the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah), his daughters had no men to continue the family line, so they got Lot drunk and had sex with him. Genesis 19: 30-32
Maybe you were joking about that, I don't know. But I figured in case somebody saw that and took it as canon I'd correct it.
Actually, I just remembered that it's both. One of Noah's sons was in the vicinity of Noah whilst he was drunk on wine and took advantage of his inebriated state.
Gay incest, drunken incest rape, multiple wives, murder.
The Bible is a great moral tale for us all.
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I'm at best an agnostic. And can largely agree with r3x2.
However, it seems to me that if it wasnt good for society on some level, it wouldn't still exist.
Rape, murder, theft, corruption, greed.
All very old practices that are pretty bad for society.
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Gay incest, drunken incest rape, multiple wives, murder.
The Bible is a great moral tale for us all.
And this is exactly why I resurrected the thread. I figured you'd be stupid enough to make a comment like this and you did.
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Gay incest, drunken incest rape, multiple wives, murder.
The Bible is a great moral tale for us all.
And this is exactly why I resurrected the thread. I figured you'd be stupid enough to make a comment like this and you did.
so you don't refute anything i have to say, you just call it stupid?
or did you write some really great response but then lost it due to the lack of a save draft feature.
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I already refutiated that pages and pages ago when you tried to convince everyone that the Bible condoned multiple wives just because it talked about polygamy.
You see, you automatically assume that just because the Bible speaks about something in particular that happened in the past, that means it's proponent of it (which is crap).
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That's why he's a mod of teh religion forum... because he's so insighfull and willing to discuss religion in a manner that engages the mind.
You see it's like the Politics forum. There are two mods. A Conservitive and a Liberal. So the balance is similar here in teh philosophy/religion forum. We have an athiest, an agnostic and Ray who's an agnostic who's decidedly and openly hostile to religion. Yup, fair and ballanced.
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Wednesday is often MIA these days, so it's really just G-Man running the asylum.
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Wednesday is often MIA these days, so it's really just G-Man running the asylum.
That's not our fault.
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I already refutiated that pages and pages ago when you tried to convince everyone that the Bible condoned multiple wives just because it talked about polygamy.
Actually, he's right. The Bible does condone it. It condones many things now considered morally reprehensible, including slavery. We covered it back in this thread.
Once again, you use the word "condone", when you probably mean "endorse"(as wbam initially mentioned). There is a difference.
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Wednesday is often MIA these days, so it's really just G-Man running the asylum.
That's not our fault.
Sure it is!
...who's "our"?
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Actually, he's right. The Bible does condone it. It condones many things now considered morally reprehensible, including slavery. We covered it back in this thread.
Uh huh, and I showed you that your assumptions were wrong in that thread.
Your best answer for me was:
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If it's a "knee-jerk" reaction, it might be because it's that obvious. Notice I said that it wasn't the only example, just the most notorious.
Maybe this time you can just grab a quote from me and then use it out of context. Then, after I clarify exactly what the conversation is about, you can use a "rolleyes" emoticon to counter me.
Oh wait! You already did that here.
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Once again, you use the word "condone", when you probably mean "endorse"(as wbam initially mentioned). There is a difference.
No. In this case, I mean "condone". "Endorse" also works though.
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Uh huh, and I showed you that your assumptions were wrong in that thread.
Actually, you followed your normal conversational path, the "Pariah three point plan" as I like to call it:
1.Say something incorrect
2.Revise your statement when even the people on your side say you were wrong
3.Accuse others of putting words in your mouth afterwards
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Then, after I clarify exactly what the conversation is about, you can use a "rolleyes" emoticon to counter me.
I was merely quoting our good friend, MisterJLA. It makes him feel special.
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No. In this case, I mean "condone". "Endorse" also works though.
The Bible discusses it without criticism. The definition of "condone".
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Once again, you use the word "condone", when you probably mean "endorse"(as wbam initially mentioned). There is a difference.
No. In this case, I mean "condone". "Endorse" also works though.
No you don't think there's a difference between the words? Because there is.
Condone means allow and put up with, endorse means approve of and support.
The Bible condones polygamy. Meaning its actually going against the example of the bible to have only one wife. It also condones daughters and sons raping their drunken fathers.
In fact, since god is like right there with a direct hand in their lives I figure he'd tell them if he didn't like it.
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Actually, you followed your normal conversational path, the "Pariah three point plan" as I like to call it:
1.Say something incorrect
2.Revise your statement when even the people on your side say you were wrong
3.Accuse others of putting words in your mouth afterwards
I didn't revise my statement. You're still just sore that you were ignorant of how people had to make a living back then. Only today would we consider indentured servantry to be a kind of slavery since people don't have to live that way anymore. Back then however, people had to make these sacrifices. I can understand why you'd confuse what I said since I refrained from explaining the use of slavery back then as opposed to today (today, even if one gets paid, being overworked will be considered slave labor), but your floundering isn't very sportsmen like.
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I was merely quoting our good friend, MisterJLA. It makes him feel special.
Yeah, I know you tried to rationalize it that way.
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The Bible discusses it without criticism. The definition of "condone".
I was talking about the issue of multiple wives or generally just having more than one spouse over a period of time (without one of the spouses dying), which is criticized in the Bible.
As for your slavery argument: If the work-force back then was involuntary, you'd have a point. But that's not the case. "Chattel" and "Indentured" are two different things.
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I didn't revise my statement. You're still just sore that you were ignorant of how people had to make a living back then. Only today would we consider indentured servantry to be a kind of slavery since people don't have to live that way anymore. Back then however, people had to make these sacrifices. I can understand why you'd confuse what I said since I refrained from explaining the use of slavery back then as opposed to today (today, even if one gets paid, being overworked will be considered slave labor), but your floundering isn't very sportsmen like.
You misused the word slavery(just as you misused the word condone), revised the context of your statement, and then accused me of putting words in your mouth. Basically, you blamed me for misinterpreting your misinformation.
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Once again: There was no revision. I simply did a poor job of differentiating between the servantry of the past and today's exaggerated ideas of what constitutes slave labor. I admit that I waited til the last minute to make the point about servantry, but even you gave my argument some leniency after Wanna clarified my point for me.
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If Pariah's real argument was that identured servitute was necessary, that might be different. I have a feeling, considering some of the other things he's said, that that isn't the case, though.
You may not want to believe that it's what I actually meant, but I'm not gonna say otherwise.
This is the sole quote you're making your case off of:
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I'd also like to make a note of the fact that the reprehensibility of slavery is actually a relative subject.
That is most certainly not a fact. That is your opinion, and one I disagree with enormously. I believe slavery is completely wrong, and that the act itself has no varying degree of atrociousness. Slavery, at its core, is cruel and unforgivable.
While not specifically suggesting indentured servantry, it's not totally indicative of chattel slavery through any other interpretation but this:
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You're right, I didn't make that distinction.
When I think of slavery, I think of forced slavery.
I realize that I should have been the one to clarify that distinction. But I'll admit that, like you, I was more focused on how the servants were treated rather than how their suffering was different than that of the slaves in, say, 1850s America. Wanna just kinda beat me to it.
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What did you change?
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