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Since this thread has pretty much turned into a thread about " racial profiling" anyway: The controversy over "racial profiling" originated in data regarding traffic stops and airport searches that disproportionately affect blacks and ethnic minorities.
In his book, [David Harris, the University of Toledo law professor who provided much of the intellectual heft behind the war on racial profiling] traces profiling back to Operation Pipeline, the 1986 Drug Enforcement Administration effort to enlist highway police in interdicting illegal drugs as they are transported by distributors on the nation’s highways.
Harris’s argument that Operation Pipeline resulted in unfair racial profiling by highway patrollers in New Jersey, Maryland, and elsewhere is predicated on studies that falsely assume there are no ethnic differences in driving behavior, and that all ethnicities violate traffic laws at the same high rate. It is also based on the assertion that drug violations are roughly equal across groups.
But a definitive study commissioned by the New Jersey attorney general and designed by the Public Service Research Institute of Maryland found that on the New Jersey Turnpike blacks speed twice as much as white drivers--and are actually stopped less than their speeding behavior would predict. (The study was released after Harris’s book had been published.) Elsewhere, Harris conflates statistics on drug use among racial groups (roughly equal) with statistics on drug distribution (as far as we can tell, not close to equal). It is drug distributors that highway patrol officers are seeking out, not drug users.
Several of the studies used by profiling opponents to indict police show nearly equal "hit" rates between whites and blacks despite the fact that blacks were searched at higher rates. (Hit rates are the rates at which searches result in the discovery of contraband.) In Maryland, "73 percent of those stopped and searched on a section of Interstate 95 were black, yet state police reported that equal percentages of the whites and blacks who were searched had drugs or other contraband," groused the New York Times. "Studies have shown that being black substantially raises the odds of a person being stopped and searched by the police--even though blacks who are stopped are no more likely than whites to be carrying drugs," complained the New Republic last year.
What these statistically misleading statements overlook is that if the hit rates are about equal, there is no discrimination. It appears the police are focusing on legitimately suspicious behavior, and not simply picking on people by ethnicity.
The war on racial profiling has obscured two important facts: Racial profiling does not exist where the ACLU has persuaded everyone it does, such as on the nation’s highways and streets. And it does not exist where it should, in the nation’s airports and airlines.
Unfortunately, the facts have yet to catch up with the myths promoted by opponents of criminal profiling. Many Americans--including many of our leaders in politics and law enforcement--continue to treat profiling as illegitimate, as if it were disproved and discredited. That is the product of a political campaign, not of scholarly research. And it is a policy which eaves innocent Americans far more exposed to danger than they ought to be.
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Thank you for once again avoiding context Whomod.
One day you, G-Man, and JLA are going to realize that constantly referring to me as'whomod' isn't rebutting anything.
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Maybe you missed the part where I said Garb is a factor among ethnicities. Is your first guess gonna be that the guy behind that cloth, who's making threats on the behalf of Islam and Allah, isn't Arab?
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Gadahn was born Adam Pearlman, the son of 1960s psychedelic musician Phil Pearlman, and raised in Orange County on a goat farm. He was home-schooled until the age of 15, at which point he moved in with his grandparents in Santa Ana.
A man identified only as "Azzam the American" appears on a tape saying America faces a new wave of terror attacks. (ABC News)[/url]
Adam Gadahn was a typical teenager with shifting interests, a relative says. He left California for Pakistan six years ago after converting to Islam. (ABCNEWS.com)
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Actually, that hasn't been confirmed. And the pic was just the most convenient cuz' of all the other pics were anti-hot link
Either way, that's not the point. I could have pulled up dozens of other pictures. Are you trying to say that all people who are covered in Arabic shrouds are going to be the minority of white people who just like to wear Arabic shrouds?
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"Whilst" is archaic. It's "while."
Unless you like looking like a pretentious kid.
Oh....
Whilst may be archaic in American English, it's pretty common in British English. I wouldn't be surprised if Canadians use it too.
The rest of the post I agree with.
Is Pariah in England?
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He's probably visting whomod, uh, I mean PaulWellr
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Sod off in your bollocks. Go and pull a Brian Jenson on your own bloody time.
I 'ate dem wogs and don't give a fifth of shite if they have a row with a bobby.
harsh words.
special thanks to Hellblazer for this joke
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I suppose one could argue that, if race is a "fallacy," so isn't ethnicity or nationality. Therefore, Pariah has every right to speak like in "British" without fear of reprisal or recrimination.
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special thanks to Hellblazer for this joke

Harsh words, indeed. To think that he talks to me, his own son like that...
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the G-man said: I suppose one could argue that, if race is a "fallacy," so isn't ethnicity or nationality. Therefore, Pariah has every right to speak like in "British" without fear of reprisal or recrimination.
True. And I thank you as a Mod for rising above the profiling that so many policeman might stoop to. kudos.
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I'm not saying he does or doesn't have the right to speak "British."
If he likes looking like a pretentious snot-nosed, then that's fine with me.
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Either way, that's not the point. I could have pulled up dozens of other pictures. Are you trying to say that all people who are covered in Arabic shrouds are going to be the minority of white people who just like to wear Arabic shrouds?
I believe he's trying to say that not all people who are covered in Arabic shrouds are going to be Arab, discounting your justification of racial profiling.
You're the one making generalizations, remember?
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How in the name of Allah did you make that jump?
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How in the name of Allah did you make that jump?

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everytime I read one of Pariah's posts, I think one thing: "This was no boating accident."
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I believe he's trying to say that not all people who are covered in Arabic shrouds are going to be Arab, discounting your justification of racial profiling.
You're the one making generalizations, remember?
I understood his point. I was pointing out that it was misplaced. I'll say again:
Are you trying to say that all people who are covered in Arabic shrouds are going to be the minority of white people who just like to wear Arabic shrouds?
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You're the one making generalizations, remember?
I understood his point. I was pointing out that it was misplaced. I'll say again:
Are you trying to say that all people who are covered in Arabic shrouds are going to be the minority of white people who just like to wear Arabic shrouds?
I really think that if tried to make sense for a minute, it might work. The point isn't shrouds, its assuming someone is more likely to be a criminal because they're garbed in ethnic clothing.
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Oh, I just thought it'd piss Pariah off...
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"It was better before they came"
If you're implying that America hasn't always been full of white americans, and that we somehow stole it from the mexicans who stole it from the indians, then I say good day to you sir.
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Gadahn was born Adam Pearlman, the son of 1960s psychedelic musician Phil Pearlman, and raised in Orange County on a goat farm. He was home-schooled until the age of 15, at which point he moved in with his grandparents in Santa Ana.
A man identified only as "Azzam the American" appears on a tape saying America faces a new wave of terror attacks. (ABC News)[/url]
 Adam Gadahn was a typical teenager with shifting interests, a relative says. He left California for Pakistan six years ago after converting to Islam. (ABCNEWS.com)
uh huh...
Gotta watch those home schooled religious kids...
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At least I'm outta high school and have gotten laid. And by a woman, no less.

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It was a half hearted attempt to get this thread back on topic.
If the differences in genetics between "races" are so insignificent to constitute a "fallacy," and if nationality and ethnicity are basically subsets of a race (ex: Italians, Irish and WASPS are nationalities that are part of the "white" race), then it stands to reason that the genetic differences between nationalities and ethnic groups are so small as to all be a "fallacy."
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It was a half hearted attempt to get this thread back on topic.
If the differences in genetics between "races" are so insignificent to constitute a "fallacy," and if nationality and ethnicity are basically subsets of a race (ex: Italians, Irish and WASPS are nationalities that are part of the "white" race), then it stands to reason that the genetic differences between nationalities and ethnic groups are so small as to all be a "fallacy."
On face, I don't think that's accurate.
There are documented cases of members of certain ethnic groups contracting illnesses specific to their ethnicity (and so, presumably specific to their genetics).
Is it also not true that blacks are suspectible to certain conditions that others are not (e.g., certain kinds of anemia)?
These examples, while not supporting a theory of racial differences, do support a theory of some kind of ethnic differences based on genetics, no?
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You could be right. On the other hand, if those genetic differences (susceptibility to disease, etc.) are insufficient to define race and given that ethnic groups are even more genetically similar than races, on could argue that they are also insufficient to define ethnicity or nationality.
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I really think that if tried to make sense for a minute, it might work.
The point isn't shrouds, its assuming someone is more likely to be a criminal because they're garbed in ethnic clothing.
Please remain in context. I was saying that we should narrow down suspects based on race depending on the crime. The terrorist crimes performed in the United States, so far, have all been made by Arabs and in conjunction with threats alligned with the proposed objectives of Allah and Islam. Profiling that race, due to these particular acts of terrorism, would entail following their traditional clothing habits as well--Which is why I posed that certain pic. All of these points were empirically connected and created the proper context for the picture and its intent. Additionally, any time we've seen this type of garb on video, it involved someone executing an infidel. No one has needed to wear that to speak straight to anyone. And in the end, we're 95% sure that particular terorrist, who's wearing very terrorist-like clothing, would be Arab.
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At least I'm outta high school and have gotten laid. And by a woman, no less.
I've been out of highschool for 4 years. And I don't need sex to feel proud of myself. My unwitting ability to bring out your insecurities accomplishes that just fine.
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Please remain in context. I was saying that we should narrow down suspects based on race depending on the crime. The terrorist crimes performed in the United States, so far, have all been made by Arabs and in conjunction with threats alligned with the proposed objectives of Allah and Islam. Profiling that race would entail following their traditional clothing habits as well--Which is why I posed that certain pic. Anytime we've seen this type of garb on video, it involved someone executing an infidel. No one has needed to wear that to speak straight to anyone. And in the end, we're 95% sure that particular terorrist, who's wearing very terrorist-like clothing, would be Arab.
you seem to operate from the stance that Allah and the teachings of Islam are inherently violent. Most muslims (and certainly all the ones I've known personally) abhor violence. It's the same as how abortion clinic bombers and neo-nazis and IRA members don't accurately represent the majority of christians. By your belief, then anyone wearing a cross should also be stopped and searched and considered dangerous because some christians are terrorists.
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I've been out of highschool for 4 years. And I don't need sex to feel proud of myself. My unwitting ability to bring out your insecurities accomplishes that just fine.
I'm actually impressed by the fact you got out of high school at 11.
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you seem to operate from the stance that Allah and the teachings of Islam are inherently violent.
They are.
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Most muslims (and certainly all the ones I've known personally) abhor violence.
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It's the same as how abortion clinic bombers and neo-nazis and IRA members don't accurately represent the majority of christians.
I'm sure you realize we've had this conversation before. And you prolly see this as your chance to sweep it under the carpet.
Needless violence is indoctrinated into Islam. This is not the case with Christianity.
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By your belief, then anyone wearing a cross should also be stopped and searched and considered dangerous because some christians are terrorists.
Racial profiling does not simply mean to stop people and search them, but rather to note a person's race and keep it in mind as evidenciary support depending on the crime. If someone's suspected of bombing an abortion clinic and they turn out to be Christian (from a crucfix or whatnot), that should be noted. However, the use of a crucifix or T-shirt saying "God Rocks" is much too broad amongst innocents than criminals. This, however, isn't the case with people, mainly Arabs, who wear shrouds when there's no use for them other than to hide their identities. Meaning, you broke context again.
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I'm actually impressed by the fact you got out of high school at 11.
I'm eighteen. I got a diploma at fifteen.
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They are.
no, they aren't. the Quaran is as violent as the bible.
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It's the same as how abortion clinic bombers and neo-nazis and IRA members don't accurately represent the majority of christians.
I'm sure you realize we've had this conversation before. And you prolly see this as your chance to sweep it under the carpet.
Needless violence is indoctrinated into Islam. This is not the case with Christianity.
not true. In fact, if you looked into it you'd find the Islamic teachings (not extremist readings of it) denounce killing innocents. terrorists get around it by saying the west is an evil threat and therefore not innocent.
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Racial profiling does not simply mean to stop people and search them, but rather to note a person's race and keep it in mind as evidenciary support depending on the crime.
which is racism. also, keep in mind that Islam is the second largest religion in the world, covering many many countries.
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If someone's suspected of bombing an abortion clinic and they turn out to be Christian (from a crucfix or whatnot), that should be noted.
I have never heard of a non-christian bombing a clinic.
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However, the use of a crucifix or T-shirt saying "God Rocks" is much too broad amongst innocents than criminals.
same as how wearing traditional robes is too broad. figure how many muslims there are in the U.S. versus how many (even by exagerated terms of Bush) terrorists there are in the country.
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This, however, isn't the case with people, mainly Arabs, who wear shrouds when there's no use for them other than to hide their identities. Meaning, you broke context again.
to hide their identities? are you insane or just stupid? it's traditional muslim wear. and the ammount of robes worn varies by country. and if you look at the 9/11 hijackers, they weren't wearing robes.
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my apologies. judging by your posts, I thought you were 15.
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Yeah, you said it. Unwitting. As in, lacking wits.
Thanks for playing.
And we all have insecurities. You don't bring mine out. Your arrogance just infuriates me.
You're a smart guy in many areas. Go do something productive with your life.
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Yeah, you said it. Unwitting. As in, lacking wits.
Thanks for playing.
And we all have insecurities. You don't bring mine out. Your arrogance just infuriates me.
You're a smart guy in many areas. Go do something productive with your life.
Thank you, Mr. Jackson. I think we should all try and do something with our lives. Pariah just has to try extra hard...
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Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events. The 2 largest terrorist attacks within the continental USA were the 9/11 events and the Oklahoma City bombing. The former was committed by men of Arabic extraction and the latter by a white guy. Sounds like even odds to me!
Face it guys, if a terrorist weapon has your name on it there is little anyone can do to protect you. Security is an illusion. But cheer up, you're much more likely to die by auto than by bomb.
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He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead.
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magicjay38 said: Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events. The 2 largest terrorist attacks within the continental USA were the 9/11 events and the Oklahoma City bombing. The former was committed by men of Arabic extraction and the latter by a white guy. Sounds like even odds to me!
Face it guys, if a terrorist weapon has your name on it there is little anyone can do to protect you. Security is an illusion. But cheer up, you're much more likely to die by auto than by bomb.
the one thing we can all agree on is that no terrorist has been influences by video games or violent movies. it's all about the religious books.
Bow ties are coool.
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