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Rob Kamphausen said:
i never understood why people got so whiney about her part in 'begins.' was it oscar worthy? no. but, at worst, i found her role unnoticeable. at best, she was just another piece to the pie.



In my case, I don't think it's whiny to not want her back. I wasn't looking for an Oscar worthy performance, but I also wasn't expecting for her to take me out of the movie as often as she did. I thought they could've gotten someone better for the admittedly small role - not every role requires star power. So my opinion is that they should save the money on her salary unless she absolutely NEEDS to be in the sequel. And, judging by the way the last movie left her character, I don't think she's needed.

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if he's just as aside sorta thing, then i don't mind. i do agree the focus should be on one, the joker.

however, 'begins' was able to tell batman, gordon, ra's, scarecrow, and falcone's story with no problem, because of a proper balance -- some characters getting more treatment than others. it was a good movie, so it could do that.

'returns' through 'b&r' were bad movies (or had elements of bad movies). it wasn't the fault of multiple villains, that was simply an aspect.



I agree with Rob. I don't think the problem is with multiple villains. I think the problem lies in how those villains are used. Focus the sequel on Joker and have Penguin kinda playing in the background, setting up his criminal empire and working almost behind the scenes (maybe having a role in Joker's plots). That way, you've used multiple villains in a way that doesn't bludgeon the viewer or create a campier movie. PLUS, you've also set up your third movie - with Joker defeated, Batman has to turn his attention to Penguin, who has built up his empire and is now a foe to be reckoned with - hell, he could hire a couple of Batman's rogues and that explains why you get multiple villains in the third movie!

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i have faith in nolan and tone of begins to an enormous extent, so i'll grant the benefit of the doubt. but, just reading the announcement months before cameras even start to roll, i'm annoyed by both of those selections.



I concur.

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