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Let's see Dc has killed about 7 characters in IC so far (not counting the mini series before it).
I count six. Did Damage actually die... or just crash into the thing that blew up?
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I said around 7..heh.
I don't think Damage is dead...
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As noted above, wasn't Shazam already dead?
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Yeah, technically he died in Day of Vengeance.
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Yeah, technically he died in Day of Vengeance.
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No, as noted earlier, I thought the whole point of the Capt. Marvel origin was: Shazam grants Billy his powers; huge stone block falls on Shazam, killing him; Shazam's ghost starts hanging out at Rock of Eternity; Billy summons the ghost by lighting a mystic brazier left in the abandoned subway tunnel.
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No. That's his Fawcett City/Pre-Crisis origin. It was slightly revised by Jerry Ordway in the graphic novel The Power of Shazam! One of the changes is that the wizard Shazam was never killed by that rock.
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I did not remember that. I could have sworn the rock got him in the graphic novel too.
Oh well...I'm old. I can't be expected to remember every retconned detail of retconned origins that deviate from the classic ones I read over and over from the age of nine onward.
Next you'll tell me Pa Kent is still alive.
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No, the original Pa Kent is dead. The Jackal replaced him with a clone.
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Let's see Dc has killed about 7 characters in IC so far (not counting the mini series before it).
I count six. Did Damage actually die... or just crash into the thing that blew up?
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possibly Uncle Sam...
I said around 7..heh.
I don't think Damage is dead...
I don't think so either. I think Geoff Johns has plans for him in JSA.
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Why? Was he based on any Golden/Silver Age heroes?
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because the sixty years of publication and the last twenty years of half assed evolution are two different points referring to two different things. 
Uh, okay. You didn't do a very good job of expressing that then. Both points were very conjunctive. Anywho, I disagree on both points. As G-man already pointed out, the numerous "publications" have been more or less the same, aside from some character displacement that never made sense (until around 17 years ago). And I also disagree with the idea that the evolution's been bad. And even if it was, I don't find that excuse enough to pull the character. I'd much rather retcon story--Which would be much easier, especially at this point in time.
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I did not remember that. I could have sworn the rock got him in the graphic novel too.
Oh well...I'm old. I can't be expected to remember every retconned detail of retconned origins that deviate from the classic ones I read over and over from the age of nine onward.
Next you'll tell me Pa Kent is still alive.
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Why? Was he based on any Golden/Silver Age heroes?
Damage is the son of the Golden Age Atom, Al Pratt.
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Whu? Really? That's unnecessary.
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Whu? Really? That's unnecessary.
Actually, I found the Damage series to have been very well written.
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It would have been more interesting if he was arn munro's son...
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'Cuz Dr. Polaris is DEAD!!!
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Let's see Dc has killed about 7 characters in IC so far (not counting the mini series before it).
I count six. Did Damage actually die... or just crash into the thing that blew up?
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Dr Polaris
possibly Uncle Sam...
I said around 7..heh.
No, you said about seven. Fuck you.
SPOILER! ...who is also dead.
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'Cuz Dr. Polaris is DEAD!!!
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It would've been nice if they mentioned that Damage and Polaris are related. Sorta.
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What happened to Alexander Luthor's red curly afro?
Don't tell me they've retconned it!
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Yup. Just like they retconned Nightwing's bitchin' mullet.
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Whu? Really? That's unnecessary.
Actually, I found the Damage series to have been very well written.
Oh, so it was in the original series? That's not that bad. I thought it was one of those unnecessary connections Geoff Johns likes to pull out in JSA. How is he related to Polaris?
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Great nephew or something, I'm guessing...
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Whu? Really? That's unnecessary.
Actually, I found the Damage series to have been very well written.
Oh, so it was in the original series? That's not that bad. I thought it was one of those unnecessary connections Geoff Johns likes to pull out in JSA. How is he related to Polaris?
Damage was raised by the Emersons, believing until he was sixteen that they were his parents. His uncle was Neal Emerson, aka Dr. Polaris.
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Yup. Just like they retconned Nightwing's bitchin' mullet.
DC should have learned something about giving their heroes mullets.
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Did you notice how the mullet coincided with the period that the New Teen Titans were HUGELY popular? Coincidence? I think not!
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They sure did!
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I actually think it takes less balls than replacing Batman or Wonder Woman with Robin or Donna Troy, which are other theorized plot points.
I'm prolly gonna get flamed for bringing politics into this, but I just think it's funny how much writers like Chuck Austen, Greg Rucka, Geoff Johns, and Judd Winick are going out of their way to redefine these characters. It's kinda obvious how they're leaning towards replacing them and have been avoiding the most blatant points about the characters that make them even partially conservative. I think that's one of the reasons why Batman has been so terrible; the book's been less about standing up and doing something in a corrupt society (or even about psycho-drama or that matter) and more about family matters and polarizing archetypes (the Joker to name a name). And because they're not in their rounded elements, they're all going to keep sucking as the writer's try to make the liberal aspects of them uncharacteristically huge. If we look at the big three's protege's, however, we'd see how much more in character it is for them. Such a dramatic switch wouldn't make sense, but it also wouldn't be above them--And it would also make the comic environment more coordinated to their Liberal views.
that's not really accurate. if anything they strive to playdown their liberal actions and attitudes so thatbitches like you won't cry in their mother's arms.
Batman is very liberal. He believes in fighting corruption and going with what's right over simple order. Batman fights on the street and will use his deep pockets to effect change in the environment and with individual people. So while he'll send someone off to prison, he ensures that those who want a second chance get one.
Superman is a tad more conservative nowadays in his practices. He fights a big monster but generally ignores the little people. but he was created to be a Super-FDR, in the first few issues he would tackle many social issues that are often ignored today.
Wonder Woman is definitely the most split between them. she believes in peace and love and wearing practically nothing, but then she'll take a sword to anyone that messes with her.
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that's not really accurate. if anything they strive to playdown their liberal actions and attitudes so thatbitches like you won't cry in their mother's arms.
The conservatives are the one's who cry? Obviously, you've never posted on the Wondy boards.
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Batman is very liberal. He believes in fighting corruption and going with what's right over simple order. Batman fights on the street and will use his deep pockets to effect change in the environment and with individual people. So while he'll send someone off to prison, he ensures that those who want a second chance get one.
Yeah, the way Batman goes about [catching/locking up] up criminals is very Liberal.
I'm sure the way he violates the civil rights of said criminals and suspects is very much advocated by liberal standards. Not to mention his view of capital punishment being in the positive light (See also: Batman Chronicles) having a profound liberal undertone on his character.
You seem to be rather confused on what liberals feel would be the best way to "fight" crime. You see, unlike most leftist millionaires, Batman doesn't think that throwing money at a problem is going to make it better. You see, instead of raising taxes to an insanely high degree that would pinch the middle and working class, Batman goes out and makes sure those criminals don't get a chance to encourage the left to raise said taxes. Plus, since when does Batman throwing criminals in jail symbolize that he's liberal? Last I checked conservatives did that too. In which case, Bats looks to keep those criminals in jail--Which is in direct opposition to the more liberal policy of a revolving-door prisions.
Moreover, you're a bit ignorant as for why Batman doesn't waste people. If it wasn't for the fact that he had a psychological stigma to death, he would cease to have a rogues gallery before he figured out that murder is detrimental to his mission. He furthermore is not evidenced as someone seeking to give "second chances". Is it something he's willing to consider? Probably. But to say saw it's one of his prime objectives is way off. Finally, it also wouldn't be accurate to claim Batman as a type of humanitarian, as I said before, he has an ingrained stigma to death. So to say he spares/saves criminal lives because he "values life" is wrong. I'm sure he's said it often enough in the middle of his career, but talk is cheap. I mean, do you really think he started off his Batman career "valuing" life? Batman objective numero uno is protecting Gotham city. While the two principles (saving Gotham and preserving life) may walk hand in hand in the case of the Batman's mission, they're primarily mutually exclusive. It's not until later that he'd learn death was more than just a phobia to him, but it also hurts society. In the end, Batman learns that preserving lives in Gotham would preserve its society (and let's not forget the money he donates). That's a clear-cut case of objectivism and not a personal priority on life.
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Uh huh, now tell me: What exactly is this "big monster" trying to attack in the first place that Superman would want to stop him?
Superman's an independent. He does what the government tells him to. If he had no Superpowers, yet still had his current state of mind, he'd settle for being an average citizen.
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Wonder Woman is definitely the most split between them. she believes in peace and love and wearing practically nothing, but then she'll take a sword to anyone that messes with her.
I thought so at first as well. Then it occurred to me that she's totalitarian. If she had a chance, she'd subdue the everyone on the face of the planet and make them like eachother. This is, of course, going on the current Wondy.
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The conservatives are the one's who cry? Obviously, you've never posted on the Wondy boards.
i'll give you that wonder woman fans are bitches.
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Yeah, the way Batman goes about [catching/locking up] up criminals is very Liberal.
Okay, more Libertarian I guess. But keep in mind that Batman often gives criminals a chance to surrender, he's pro-gun control, never kills, and uses Wayne Enterprises to build housing/create jobs and hire ex-cons looking for a legitimate second chance.
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I'm sure the way he violates the civil rights of said criminals and suspects is very much advocated by liberal standards. Not to mention his view of capital punishment being in the positive light (See also: Batman Chronicles) having a profound liberal undertone on his character.
I love this argument because you're basically saying that violating civil rights is a conservative stance (which is harsher than I've ever said).
Batman believes in protecting the innocent, but he never crosses the line of becoming a killer. He steps outside of the governmental rules (in other words counter-culture) and strives to heal Gotham as much as protect it.
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You seem to be rather confused on what liberals feel would be the best way to "fight" crime. You see, unlike most leftist millionaires, Batman doesn't think that throwing money at a problem is going to make it better.
he doesn't throw money into his gadgets? he doesn't throw his money into building housing and new jobs in an area where he'd lose profit before he made profit?
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You see, instead of raising taxes to an insanely high degree that would pinch the middle and working class, Batman goes out and makes sure those criminals don't get a chance to encourage the left to raise said taxes.
that makes no sense and is ridiculous. like most of your posts.
Batman uses Wayne Enterprises as a massive social program to give a hand up to the less fortunate. he believes that giving poorer people a chance at a better life will work long term to lower crime.
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Plus, since when does Batman throwing criminals in jail symbolize that he's liberal? Last I checked conservatives did that too. In which case, Bats looks to keep those criminals in jail--Which is in direct opposition to the more liberal policy of a revolving-door prisions.
revolving door prison? you're such an idiot. Batman works towards rehabilitation over simple imprisonment. obviously psychopathic killers like the joker are too insane to be released but he will give a second chance to those who are genuinely looking to turn over a new leaf after they served their time.
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Moreover, you're a bit ignorant as for why Batman doesn't waste people. If it wasn't for the fact that he had a psychological stigma to death, he would cease to have a rogues gallery before he figured out that murder is detrimental to his mission.
no. that argument is why DC won't kill off his villains. Batman doesn't kill because he doesn't believe that he has a right to pass final judgement.
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He furthermore is not evidenced as someone seeking to give "second chances".
more issues then i can count where he hired a recent parolee who he had incarcerated.
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Is it something he's willing to consider? Probably. But to say saw it's one of his prime objectives is way off.
you have no idea what the point of Batman is. Its not about going out and punching bad guys, for him its about protecting the innocent and trying to heal his city.
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Finally, it also wouldn't be accurate to claim Batman as a type of humanitarian, as I said before, he has an ingrained stigma to death. So to say he spares/saves criminal lives because he "values life" is wrong. I'm sure he's said it often enough in the middle of his career, but talk is cheap. I mean, do you really think he started off his Batman career "valuing" life? Batman objective numero uno is protecting Gotham city. While the two principles (saving Gotham and preserving life) may walk hand in hand in the case of the Batman's mission, they're primarily mutually exclusive. It's not until later that he'd learn death was more than just a phobia to him, but it also hurts society. In the end, Batman learns that preserving lives in Gotham would preserve its society (and let's not forget the money he donates). That's a clear-cut case of objectivism and not a personal priority on life.
you try too hard to sound smart. and please stop using objectivism. you keep using it, and you keep using it incorrectly.
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Uh huh, now tell me: What exactly is this "big monster" trying to attack in the first place that Superman would want to stop him?
its a metaphor for the villain of the week. Superman 90% of the time is written to fight the bad guy but never really encounter the social problems of Metropolis.
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Superman's an independent. He does what the government tells him to. If he had no Superpowers, yet still had his current state of mind, he'd settle for being an average citizen.
your point?
Superman either way is a bit of a wimp, otherwise he would've opposed Lex from becoming President (a simple speech of warning is not the same as subverting the electoral process).
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Wonder Woman is definitely the most split between them. she believes in peace and love and wearing practically nothing, but then she'll take a sword to anyone that messes with her.
I thought so at first as well. Then it occurred to me that she's totalitarian. If she had a chance, she'd subdue the everyone on the face of the planet and make them like eachother. This is, of course, going on the current Wondy.
I...agree with Pariah here. I just don't like Wonder Woman. mainly its her costume. she can't be a feminist, a warrior, or a leader while wearing something that skimpy. everytime i see those cans bouncing around I think of her as just wank material.
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