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Matter-eater Man said:
Aside from the Durbin quote which he apolgized for, your quotes from the Dem leaders are aimed at a President who deserves them. They support the troops but not failed leadership.

At this point in time it's not I who needs to convince you. You have till '08. Maybe even less since it appears the GOP is getting twitchy since the last election.




    Richard Gephardt: "Miserable failure..."
    I don't see Bush specified in that recurrent phrase he used for months.

    Howard Dean: "There's no way we can win in Iraq..."
    Again, I don't see Bush specified in those remarks. As I pointed out previously, Dean is saying there's no way we can win, no matter who's doing the fighting, no matter who's in command.

    Richard Durbin: "...comparable to Nazi storm troopers, Soviet Gulags and the Pol Pot regime..."
    Again, no mention of Bush, clearly he's talking about troops on the ground, not leadership in Washington.

    Harry Reid: "We've lost the war...
    Again, way beyond criticism of Bush, there's no suggestion that alternative leadership could win the war in any circumstance, again undermining not just Bush, but clearly undermining the efforts of our soldiers on the ground, no matter who is in command.

    from the PBS news report I posted above, a liberal anti-war protestor: "We want our troops home now, General Petraeus is betraying us..."
    Clearly attacking our military in Iraq, not just President Bush.



I see a lot of evasive rationalization in your argument, M E M, attempting to circumnavigate what has clearly been said, not just about Bush, but undermining fighting the war in any circumstance, regardless of Bush.