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I see stories all the time about kids who don't have their parents while growing up because of, say, an anti-tank mine. If he's already done his thing I find it irresponsable for him to go back.
Then you'd have to find it irresponsible for all soldiers to do their duty. The fact of the matter is all soldiers face the risk of death and maiming. But simply because they know it's what lies ahead, that doesn't mean they should go back home.
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By the way, I agreed with not seeing the guy as a hero.
Why not exactly? He put himself in the way of danger for the sake of the bigger objective of the occupation. If you really wanna get right down to it, all of the soldiers are heroes for continuing to go through Iraq with that kind of danger. His example just stands out more since he's willing to go back. He knew something along the lines of an anti-tank mine would be put in his path, and yet he trudged through it anyway. Saying that-that doesn't take balls is rather insensitive.
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Pariah said:
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I see stories all the time about kids who don't have their parents while growing up because of, say, an anti-tank mine. If he's already done his thing I find it irresponsable for him to go back.
Then you'd have to find it irresponsible for all soldiers to do their duty. The fact of the matter is all soldiers face the risk of death and maiming. But simply because they know it's what lies ahead, that doesn't mean they should go back home.
No, he did his duty. He served, got wounded, gets to go home. That puts a different spin on it.
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By the way, I agreed with not seeing the guy as a hero.
Why not exactly? He put himself in the way of danger for the sake of the bigger objective of the occupation. If you really wanna get right down to it, all of the soldiers are heroes for continuing to go through Iraq with that kind of danger. His example just stands out more since he's willing to go back. He knew something along the lines of an anti-tank mine would be put in his path, and yet he trudged through it anyway. Saying that-that doesn't take balls is rather insensitive.
I don't think social stupidity equates heroism. And I didn't say it doesn't take balls to go fight in war.
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No, he did his duty. He served, got wounded, gets to go home. That puts a different spin on it.
No it doesn't. He has the option to continue serving. Serving in the military isn't simply a means to end, which is what you're making it sound like.
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I don't think social stupidity equates heroism. And I didn't say it doesn't take balls to go fight in war.
Social stupidity? So all of the soldiers in Iraq suffer from the "social stupidity" of facing danger, and thus they should leave rather than stay and fight? No Policeman should be on the street? No Fire-Fighters should be on call?
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In my mind the situations are completely different. I think participating in war is stupid (not mental stupidity, social). This isn't the point though and I don't wish to persue this line of discussion further.
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I think what this guy is doing is very impressive, even inspiring. It takes a lot of courage to go back to a place where your life was nearly taken so you can do what you feel is right. If we can shower our praise on an injured football player who gets back on the field to help his team win the big game, I don't see how we can't appreciate a maimed soldier going back to the front lines to help his country. If you don't at least respect his courage and level of conviction, I think there's a little room to doubt your sense of humanity.
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In my mind the situations are completely different. I think participating in war is stupid (not mental stupidity, social).
So a person who decides to take a bullet for an innocent is brave, but someone who gets in the line of fire for the sake of the entire's country's interests and security is stupid?
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This isn't the point though and I don't wish to persue this line of discussion further.
Or maybe it is the point and you don't want to admit it. You're hatred of war makes you irrational towards the subject.
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Are you fucking broken? Someone smack Gay-Man so he stopps skipping.
Watch it Uschi! He's not one of ours!
I wonder if it makes the gay communities collective skin crawl everytime you refer to it as ours.
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Are you fucking broken? Someone smack Gay-Man so he stopps skipping.
Watch it Uschi! He's not one of ours!
I wonder if it makes the gay communities collective skin crawl everytime you refer to it as ours.
Like the opinion of a cuckolded bastard should bother me? 
Have a banana! 
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