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Animalman said:
Joe's argument for Ortiz being the MVP last year was that A-Rod couldn't be because he wasn't the MVP of his own team, thanks to Jeter and his intangibles.



When did I ever say that Jeter deserved the MVP last year?

For the record, I do think Ortiz deserved the MVP last year. He had great all-around numbers (yes, I know he didn't steal many bases), didn't embarrass himself the admittedly few times he played the field, and had all the intangibles that most people value and you seemingly de-value in the face of every number stat you can find (leadershipand clutch hits, for example). I also think that, numbers aside, A-Rod was not the MVP of the Yankees - that honor would go to Matsui or Rivera or (maybe) Jeter.

That said, I also think there were other choices besides Ortiz or A-Rod. Johan Santana comes to mind, though the prejudice against pitchers as MVPs makes his winning difficult at best.

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