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I like Kyle Rayner.
Me too. I'm getting pissed about all the mentions of Hall being the greatest of them all in the GL books lately. Hall fucking killed ALL of them, destroyed the central battery, etc. Kyle went and undid everything Hal did, which IMO is 10x more difficult, yet they still consider Hal the best. 
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Its not about what Hal did at the end of his run, its about what he did years before that.
And from what I have read on the net since his return, its now been said he wasnt to blame for his pyscho moments!
Kyle Rayner will never be considered that great because the ring he was given had no weaknesses, which basically made him the most powerful man in the universe, yet he was still put in situations he should easily have avoided!
With the 24hour & yellow weaknesses, Hal (and other GLs) had to constantly think their way around issues, same as Alan Scott did with his weakness against wood.
Giving Rayner a weapon of unlimited capacity, then not have him use a fraction of that, made Rayner look incredibly dumb!
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But Kyle didn't have experienced Lanterns to train him or the Guardians to guide him. His ring may have had no limits, but he had no one to tell him how to use it.
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And that is why he wasnt that good!
Please try to remember that Hal being trained was added retroactively some 30 years later.
For the first 30 years of his career, Hal trained himself & then lead 3599 other GLs into battle, lead them not worked with them.
Hal was universally recognised as being the best GL period.
Just about all 3599 GLs would defer to him, which is a pretty impressive thing to have on your resume!
Hal was a natural leader & an amazing strategist as GL, it was only as Hal that he seemed to have failings (women troubles, job troubles).
Sadly before he went mental, DC felt it necessary to make him a whiney crybaby.
Rayner was just a cookie cutter hero, based loosely around Peter Parker/Spiderman.
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I think you lose all rights to the title "Best" when you end up murdering the people that originally decided you were "Best"
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But as I said, that wasnt Hals fault!
And are you saying that a lifetime of good is washed away by one bad deed?
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There can be such a thing as redemption....
"I offer you a Vulcan prayer, Mr Suder. May your death bring you the peace you never found in life." - Tuvok. 
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There is a difference between a bad deed and mass murder.
If I did some great stuff for you, then killed you, would you be able to forgive me?
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There can be redemption in certain cases. Hal was the GL I read as a kid. I liked him a lot back then. He only became a mass murderer because he was written that way. It was explained he was mental when he became a mass murderer.
In some cases, there can be redemption. I am not sure if Hal can be redeemed. Mass murder is mass murder.
It's a shame they wrote him into that....Does anyone have any suggestions how Hal can redeem himself for mass murder? Maybe they could explain that he was being mind controlled?
John Stewart is my fav. GL currently. He is pretty cool in the cartoons and the comics. This is merely my preference.
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That'd be pretty tough being dead n all that!
What you are still not aknowledging is the fact that Hal killed nobody!
Hal was possessed by the parasite Parallax, which took control of his mind & body!
When Hal was finally able to take control of his mind he sacrificed himself to save the whole universe by reigniting the sun!
So please, feel free to keep calling Hal a murderer despite the fact he didnt actually kill anyone, and actually saved billions up billions of lives by sacrificing his own life!
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Ahh, Okay, thank you, NoWhere man! I did not know the entire story behind Hal's actions, not having read the story.
Therefore, it is very possible for him to redeem himself...simply by living the good life he has always led.
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You're right, I'm wrong. Hal is a great guy.
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I'll probably end up playing as Zatanna mostly. I tend to like the magic using characters better.
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If I buy it, I'll try all characters. But I really wanna see how Martian Manhunter fights.
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Fuck GL. Play as the Flash!
Good idea, thats what all the gays will be doing!
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Fuck GL. Play as the Flash!
Good idea, thats what all the gays will be doing!
Nah...it's all about getting to play as Diana in a half decent game for once. Last time I enjoyed any game with her was Justice League for the Genesis (the Street Fighter wannabe).
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November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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For sure.
All French are fagotty homos, they are just more fagotty than American & English homos!
They also smell of cabbage, and have small hands!
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That'd be pretty tough being dead n all that!
What you are still not aknowledging is the fact that Hal killed nobody!
Hal was possessed by the parasite Parallax, which took control of his mind & body!
When Hal was finally able to take control of his mind he sacrificed himself to save the whole universe by reigniting the sun!
So please, feel free to keep calling Hal a murderer despite the fact he didnt actually kill anyone, and actually saved billions up billions of lives by sacrificing his own life!
Wow. Of all people, I never expected YOU to jump head-first on the Geoff-Johns-Cliche'-bandwagon.
The story of his downfall, and eventual destruction of the Corp was as natural an evolution of a character as any I have ever seen. Maybe even more so, because...until Hack Johns came along...it lead him into an irredeemable finale. A tragic ending. Something that these so-called "superheroes" rarely, if ever, have.
Hal being "controlled by the parasite Parallax" is the gayest, most contrived thing I've ever read in comics. Why not just say it was all a dream, while Johns was at it? Why not say he was kidnapped and replaced by his evil doppelganger, too?
Fuck. I never liked nor disliked Hal Boredom. He is, far and beyond Kyle Rayner, a cookie-cutter character. Two-dimensional, and fictionally flat. That is, until someone had the balls to take his multiple nervous breakdowns into account, and realize the obsessive-control freak that he is would eventually crack from wielding the most powerful weapon in the universe.
And, as for Hal's training not being admissable because it was added "retroactively"? Then, what the hell was the whole "Parallax Parasite" thing? You can't have it both ways, you know.
Sorry, bud. You know I respect your fabulous mind and homosexual tendencies. But, you're wrong on this one. Hal Jordan is deemed "the best" only because the current writers feel the need to wank-off to the Silver Age. Otherwise, Rayner gained more depth, evolution, and progression in his decade stint, than Jordan did in thirty years...
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That'd be pretty tough being dead n all that!
What you are still not aknowledging is the fact that Hal killed nobody!
Hal was possessed by the parasite Parallax, which took control of his mind & body!
When Hal was finally able to take control of his mind he sacrificed himself to save the whole universe by reigniting the sun!
So please, feel free to keep calling Hal a murderer despite the fact he didnt actually kill anyone, and actually saved billions up billions of lives by sacrificing his own life!
Wow. Of all people, I never expected YOU to jump head-first on the Geoff-Johns-Cliche'-bandwagon.
The story of his downfall, and eventual destruction of the Corp was as natural an evolution of a character as any I have ever seen. Maybe even more so, because...until Hack Johns came along...it lead him into an irredeemable finale. A tragic ending. Something that these so-called "superheroes" rarely, if ever, have.
Hal being "controlled by the parasite Parallax" is the gayest, most contrived thing I've ever read in comics. Why not just say it was all a dream, while Johns was at it? Why not say he was kidnapped and replaced by his evil doppelganger, too?
Fuck. I never liked nor disliked Hal Boredom. He is, far and beyond Kyle Rayner, a cookie-cutter character. Two-dimensional, and fictionally flat. That is, until someone had the balls to take his multiple nervous breakdowns into account, and realize the obsessive-control freak that he is would eventually crack from wielding the most powerful weapon in the universe.
And, as for Hal's training not being admissable because it was added "retroactively"? Then, what the hell was the whole "Parallax Parasite" thing? You can't have it both ways, you know.
Sorry, bud. You know I respect your fabulous mind and homosexual tendencies. But, you're wrong on this one. Hal Jordan is deemed "the best" only because the current writers feel the need to wank-off to the Silver Age. Otherwise, Rayner gained more depth, evolution, and progression in his decade stint, than Jordan did in thirty years...
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That'd be pretty tough being dead n all that!
What you are still not aknowledging is the fact that Hal killed nobody!
Hal was possessed by the parasite Parallax, which took control of his mind & body!
When Hal was finally able to take control of his mind he sacrificed himself to save the whole universe by reigniting the sun!
So please, feel free to keep calling Hal a murderer despite the fact he didnt actually kill anyone, and actually saved billions up billions of lives by sacrificing his own life!
Wow. Of all people, I never expected YOU to jump head-first on the Geoff-Johns-Cliche'-bandwagon.
The story of his downfall, and eventual destruction of the Corp was as natural an evolution of a character as any I have ever seen. Maybe even more so, because...until Hack Johns came along...it lead him into an irredeemable finale. A tragic ending. Something that these so-called "superheroes" rarely, if ever, have.
Hal being "controlled by the parasite Parallax" is the gayest, most contrived thing I've ever read in comics. Why not just say it was all a dream, while Johns was at it? Why not say he was kidnapped and replaced by his evil doppelganger, too?
Fuck. I never liked nor disliked Hal Boredom. He is, far and beyond Kyle Rayner, a cookie-cutter character. Two-dimensional, and fictionally flat. That is, until someone had the balls to take his multiple nervous breakdowns into account, and realize the obsessive-control freak that he is would eventually crack from wielding the most powerful weapon in the universe.
And, as for Hal's training not being admissable because it was added "retroactively"? Then, what the hell was the whole "Parallax Parasite" thing? You can't have it both ways, you know.
Sorry, bud. You know I respect your fabulous mind and homosexual tendencies. But, you're wrong on this one. Hal Jordan is deemed "the best" only because the current writers feel the need to wank-off to the Silver Age. Otherwise, Rayner gained more depth, evolution, and progression in his decade stint, than Jordan did in thirty years...
Sorry, but Hal was classed as the best way before Kyle was even thought of.
The reason the whole parasite issue is more acceptable as a retroactive explanation as to why he went mad is because:
a) It was fucked up the way they destroyed Hal just to launch "hip" Kyle.
b) It was only ten years of less than sterling history they were messing with.
Adding the "Hal was trained" thing to his origin, fucked with 30 odd years of continuity.
Plus on top of this, right from the off people had suggested Hal was being controlled by Malvolo, so it wasnt exactly as bad as a "its just a dream".
As for Hal being cookie cutter......wtf?
GL was a very straight cookie cutter hero I will agree, but Hal was certainly not cookie cutter.
All the other big heroes were either millionaires or held steady jobs, but Hal had always been somewhat of a fuck up.
He started off as a test pilot, which was very cookie cutter, but then he became an insurance salesman, a toy salesman, a truck driver & a bum!
Ok, he drifted back to the test pilot job, but even that tended to fuck up somehow or other.
Hal might not have been the everyman that Parker/Rayner is sposed to be, but he was without a doubt the first superhero secret id to have any degree of depth.
Even back in the 60s he was fucking up.
Fucking up jobs, fucking up relationships & fucking up with racist slurs!
The only place he didnt fuck up was as GL.
The ring & the uniform were a crutch for Hal, as it was only with them that he could be the confident leader & hero that he was.
The mistake that was made by later writers was to start making GL just as big a fuck up as Hal!
Go pick up some 60s/70s GL books, and quite frankly you'll see that Hal was quite possibly the most "Marvel" character that DC were producing at the time.
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Sorry, but Hal was classed as the best way before Kyle was even thought of.
Sure he was. Because, back then, the only other two Lanterns to solo in the series were Stewart and Gardner. Neither was ever created to be an "equal". So, with nothing to compare to, he was "the best" by default.
Don't get me wrong. I have no real venom against the legacy of Jordan. But, alot of the hype surrounding him nowadays is based on prejudistic childhood memories by the writing staff. Johns slapping me in the face with characters saying "he's the best" over, and over, and over, does not convince me of that fact. Show me what makes him such the Tom Cruise of GLs. Don't just sit there and tell me.
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The reason the whole parasite issue is more acceptable as a retroactive explanation as to why he went mad is because:
a) It was fucked up the way they destroyed Hal just to launch "hip" Kyle.
b) It was only ten years of less than sterling history they were messing with.
Adding the "Hal was trained" thing to his origin, fucked with 30 odd years of continuity.
First of all, I agree that...while I don't have great amounts of love for Jordan...they shouldn't have axed just to make way for Rayner. So, I can understand how it might bother fans, if that was the only reason they did it.
Second, I simply cannot see how showing that Jordan was trained "fucks" anything up. It's quite logical, given his obvious aptitude with the ring. I'll buy Rayner's untrained screw-ups faster than I would Jordan's untrained perfection. Only one of those makes any sense to me.
Third, it has nothing to do with the amount of history they were messing with when Johns pulled this parasite shit from his ass. It has to do with it being a horribly cliched', lazy excuse to simply wipe away any consequences of the character's past action. Instead of doing it the hard way, and taking the character through an evolution of acception over his past actions (which would have added SO many layers to a flat character), and allowed him a logical progression (if they insist on bringing him back at all), Geoff merely just swept it all under the carpet, put his fingers in his ears, and repeated "Never happened. Never happened. Never happened..." This is what ruins the "Return of the Great Almighty" for me.
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Plus on top of this, right from the off people had suggested Hal was being controlled by Malvolo, so it wasnt exactly as bad as a "its just a dream".
Now, let's be honest here. Fans were suggesting that. Was there ever anything in the comics that said as much? Honestly, I don't know. But, fans can come up with any excuse to disregard fact. I don't hold it against them. But, in consideration, it doesn't hold water for me.
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As for Hal being cookie cutter......wtf?
GL was a very straight cookie cutter hero I will agree, but Hal was certainly not cookie cutter.
All the other big heroes were either millionaires or held steady jobs, but Hal had always been somewhat of a fuck up.
He started off as a test pilot, which was very cookie cutter, but then he became an insurance salesman, a toy salesman, a truck driver & a bum!
Ok, he drifted back to the test pilot job, but even that tended to fuck up somehow or other.
Hal might not have been the everyman that Parker/Rayner is sposed to be, but he was without a doubt the first superhero secret id to have any degree of depth.
Even back in the 60s he was fucking up.
Fucking up jobs, fucking up relationships & fucking up with racist slurs!
The only place he didnt fuck up was as GL.
The ring & the uniform were a crutch for Hal, as it was only with them that he could be the confident leader & hero that he was.
The mistake that was made by later writers was to start making GL just as big a fuck up as Hal!
Okay, I'm beginning to see some of your rationale here. You consider Hal Jordan and Green Lantern two seperate personas, though not in the literal sense, right? I guess I could accept that. However, I've never actually recognized that that is the case. As far as I've always understood it, it was Hal Jordan wearing an Oan Ring.
In any case, when it comes right down to the fact, the progression of Jordan's character over the years that you list above would ultimately lead to his final murderous acts. And, it was logical that this would happen. How many times did the guy lose faith? How many times did he give up the ring? How many times did he set out on a socially spiritual journey across America (mainly with GA)? How many times did he just plain lose it? This is a consistent trait of the character over many, many years. While alot of fans don't want to accept that, it's simple fact. And, in comparison, much less a spontaneous creation than the 'yellow bug' excuse.
When he had his final, last, crushing emotional breakdown, it would logically lead to the events of Emerald Twilight. Whether you agree, or like it, is simply a matter of opinion. But, in the end, the evidence (as you, yourself, presented above) is seriously stacked against this "parasite" phallacy.
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Go pick up some 60s/70s GL books, and quite frankly you'll see that Hal was quite possibly the most "Marvel" character that DC were producing at the time.
When Neal Adams and Co. were in charge, couldn't agree more. However, that's the only era I can recall that had any sort of progression or depth to it. And, what did that last? Five years, max? A drop in the bucket for an almost forty-year-old concept. Just saying.
Listen, I won't deny you your right to accept the trite, happy ending that Johns has given the hardcore Hal fans. That's all gravy, and I couldn't be happier for you. However, the rest of us aren't swallowing this 'yellow bug' excuse. Maybe if he had taken the character through a serious pace with the issues. Maybe if he had taken the time, and the guts, to deal with the morality of it all head-on. But, dismissing it outright does a disservice to one of Hal Jordan's most profound, and best moments in his history. The classic and historical aspect of his story was always the tragedy therein. The man who has a magical ring that can do anything to help the world...but, was never able to help himself. That was the best concept of Hal Jordan I liked. And that is what Geoff Johns took away from him...
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Sorry, but Hal was classed as the best way before Kyle was even thought of.
Sure he was. Because, back then, the only other two Lanterns to solo in the series were Stewart and Gardner. Neither was ever created to be an "equal". So, with nothing to compare to, he was "the best" by default.
Please go back and read my earlier post.
Hal was one of 3600 Green Lanterns, not just three!
He was always classed as the greatest of those 3600!
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Second, I simply cannot see how showing that Jordan was trained "fucks" anything up. It's quite logical, given his obvious aptitude with the ring. I'll buy Rayner's untrained screw-ups faster than I would Jordan's untrained perfection. Only one of those makes any sense to me.
Why does it fuck with it?
Well for 30 years Hal was built up as a guy who built himself up from being a rookie, to being the greatest GL ever (an opinion shared by most of the GLC), to someone who was taught to be great.
This removed some of the strength of Jordan, and thats why I like this parasite idea, it takes Jordan back to who he was before the retcon!
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Now, let's be honest here. Fans were suggesting that. Was there ever anything in the comics that said as much? Honestly, I don't know. But, fans can come up with any excuse to disregard fact. I don't hold it against them. But, in consideration, it doesn't hold water for me.
But there you go, you admit to not knowing all thats gone on.
While nobody at DC ever said that Hal was being controlled, the Malvolo storyline definetly lead the bulk of fans to believe that this was a strong possibilty.
Hal was wearing Malvolos ring, and last time we saw him he hinted at something.
Ok, its up to interpretation, but with the powers he demonstrated and the fact that Malvolo blatantly let Hal take his ring, there was definetly something planned, yet DC completely ignored it.........or so it seemed until Hal went mental!
Was it speculation?
Yes, but it had strong foundation.
Sadly (unless it happened in the last few years), DC never followed through on this storline!
You leave a plotline hanging like that, how can fans not see this as a possible answer to Hals madness?
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Oh and just for the record, its quite possible this parasite idea,or something similar, isnt as new as you think.
When DC do big changes with their characters, there is often a get out clause hidden within a story that probably would never be noticed by the average fan.
Just like when they killed Barry Allen.
Marv Wolfman has always stated that he wrote something in Crisis that would allow Barry to return if things didnt work out!
To this day I'm not exactly sure what it is, but Wolfman is adamant its there!
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Second, I simply cannot see how showing that Jordan was trained "fucks" anything up. It's quite logical, given his obvious aptitude with the ring. I'll buy Rayner's untrained screw-ups faster than I would Jordan's untrained perfection. Only one of those makes any sense to me.
Why does it fuck with it?
Well for 30 years Hal was built up as a guy who built himself up from being a rookie, to being the greatest GL ever (an opinion shared by most of the GLC), to someone who was taught to be great.
This removed some of the strength of Jordan, and thats why I like this parasite idea, it takes Jordan back to who he was before the retcon!
See, I've been collecting and reading comics for about twenty-seven years. And, in all that time, this aspect of Hal Jordan was never apparent to me. I always, always assumed anyone given a weapon as powerful as the Oan ring would naturally have to be trained how to use it. Or, otherwise, would get their ass kicked on a proper basis like Kyle.
Admittedly, I never studied the absolute fine-print of the GL series. But, I made it my business to get to know the characters in the DCU. So, if you say "Well for 30 years Hal was built up as a guy who built himself up from being a rookie, to being the greatest GL ever (an opinion shared by most of the GLC)", then, I'll just have to take your word on it. It was just never a character point that I was familiar with, obviously...
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You leave a plotline hanging like that, how can fans not see this as a possible answer to Hals madness?
By, you know, reading the character's previous thirty-years worth of stories? 
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Sorry, but Hal was classed as the best way before Kyle was even thought of.
Sure he was. Because, back then, the only other two Lanterns to solo in the series were Stewart and Gardner. Neither was ever created to be an "equal". So, with nothing to compare to, he was "the best" by default.
Please go back and read my earlier post.
Hal was one of 3600 Green Lanterns, not just three!
He was always classed as the greatest of those 3600!
Well, Duh! Of course he was considered "the best" by his supporting cast. It's HIS book. It's not like Jimmy Olsen's gonna go, "You know...I think I like Batman better..."
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Oh and just for the record, its quite possible this parasite idea,or something similar, isnt as new as you think.
When DC do big changes with their characters, there is often a get out clause hidden within a story that probably would never be noticed by the average fan.
Just like when they killed Barry Allen.
Marv Wolfman has always stated that he wrote something in Crisis that would allow Barry to return if things didnt work out!
To this day I'm not exactly sure what it is, but Wolfman is adamant its there!
Man, the idea that there may have been an excuse is not lost upon me. I've read comics before. I get how they work. My problem with the whole thing is:
A.) The "idea" of the 'Yello Bug' is ludicrous. A stoned seven-year-old could come up with something more clever than that.
B.) It makes a lame excuse for a logical character progression. Like they took Hal down this road for thirty years, and then, when they came to the logical conclusion...they decided "Nah!", and punked out on the whole deal. I call bullshit.
C.) If you're going to do something as drastic, meaningful, and original as have one of your staple character meet such a tragic end, then, don't turn around and shrug it all off with a gay idea like this. Either deal with the ramifications, or, don't fucking do it at all.
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Sorry, but Hal was classed as the best way before Kyle was even thought of.
Sure he was. Because, back then, the only other two Lanterns to solo in the series were Stewart and Gardner. Neither was ever created to be an "equal". So, with nothing to compare to, he was "the best" by default.
Please go back and read my earlier post.
Hal was one of 3600 Green Lanterns, not just three!
He was always classed as the greatest of those 3600!
Well, Duh! Of course he was considered "the best" by his supporting cast. It's HIS book. It's not like Jimmy Olsen's gonna go, "You know...I think I like Batman better..."
Sorry, I thought we were comparing him against Green Lanterns, not other superheroes!
You are saying that Johns is responsible for Hal being the "Greated GL ever", and I am merely pointing out, as someone who owned and read nearly every GL book printed, that that was always how Hal was viewed.
Even after he went nuts & died, Alan, Guy, John & even Kyle, considered him the greatest!
That had fuck all to do with Johns!
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Okay, I see your point there. Agreed. Johns had nothing to do with calling him "the best".
However, one thing that grates me since his rebirth has been how Johns is constantly shoving that fact down our throats with dialogue from other characters, when he could be using that storytime to show us why he's called "the best". That's all. Johns has fallen into a rut over the past five years of simply telling us why we should like or respect an old character, instead of showing us why...
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Oh and just for the record, its quite possible this parasite idea,or something similar, isnt as new as you think.
When DC do big changes with their characters, there is often a get out clause hidden within a story that probably would never be noticed by the average fan.
Just like when they killed Barry Allen.
Marv Wolfman has always stated that he wrote something in Crisis that would allow Barry to return if things didnt work out!
To this day I'm not exactly sure what it is, but Wolfman is adamant its there!
Man, the idea that there may have been an excuse is not lost upon me. I've read comics before. I get how they work. My problem with the whole thing is:
A.) The "idea" of the 'Yello Bug' is ludicrous. A stoned seven-year-old could come up with something more clever than that.
B.) It makes a lame excuse for a logical character progression. Like they took Hal down this road for thirty years, and then, when they came to the logical conclusion...they decided "Nah!", and punked out on the whole deal. I call bullshit.
C.) If you're going to do something as drastic, meaningful, and original as have one of your staple character meet such a tragic end, then, don't turn around and shrug it all off with a gay idea like this. Either deal with the ramifications, or, don't fucking do it at all.
Sorry, but you would not make much of a business man then!
The point is that at the time they killed Barry & sent Hal insane, both characters were selling good enough to keep publishing, but nowhere near the sales they had previously achieved!
A shake up was needed.
Two ways this could be done are to take the character in a bold direction or kill the character off & replace them (something they later did with Ollie as well).
Now, both these ideas can work, but to take the latter direction is a huge risk because they could lose shit loads of cash!
But by the same token, if it suceeds, they are laughing!
Now initally, these replacements sell out if curiosity, maybe even showing figures higher than any before, but once the status quo settles in, you either have a success or a failure.
Now being that this is comic books, if killing, and replacing a character is a failure, it can be undone, so any comic company would be dumb if they did not swallow humble pie, admit that the experiment failed, and find a way to revive their character.
This is what they have done with Hal, and from my research, his new book is one of the highest selling books out there.
Sounds like good business sense to me!
To my mind there are far worse revivals than Hals.
The fact that apparently all the GLs Parallax/Hal/Parasite killed are supposedly still alive, now that sucks!
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Okay, I see your point there. Agreed. Johns had nothing to do with calling him "the best".
However, one thing that grates me since his rebirth has been how Johns is constantly shoving that fact down our throats with dialogue from other characters, when he could be using that storytime to show us why he's called "the best". That's all. Johns has fallen into a rut over the past five years of simply telling us why we should like or respect an old character, instead of showing us why...
Hasnt that always been the way with most mainstream comic books?
Pander to the lowest common denominator?
Its exactly the same sort of shit you get in a Superman book.
Why is he so much greater than every other superhero?
Why is Wolverine so damn good?
In the olden days when I read the GL comics, Hal proved himself by his deeds, often converting those who thought him overrated, yet on Earth, he was just another hero, and Superman was the greatest.
There was never anything shown why Supes was better than GL, Bats, WW, Robin, Metamorpho or any other hero who saved just as many lives!
One of the reasons I gave up comics is the fact writers became lazy.
Batman did what Batman did, Supes did what Supes did & Blue Beetle did what Blue Beetle did, and the only time they pushed these boundaries was in Elseworlds titles, which had no relevance on the DCU.
I really cannot comment on the current titles as I dont read them, but from what you are saying, this is nothing less than what we have all put up with since we started buying comics!
Is it any wonder that imprints like Vertigo tend to produce the best titles?
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