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Dunno. Tiresome. But then again... Quote:
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In which case you would further prove your facism by showing that you'll get rid of any thread that "bores" you.
But I am a facist, and you are boring. Where does that lead us? To another pointless tirade? Am I destined to be your verbal whipping boy, to suffer the puny indignity of the debating equivalent of fencing with a midget, in order to leave you with the warm, content sensation experienced by an infant peeing into a diaper?
As this forum is supposed to be about soft sciences, I will post a new thread about aggressive human interaction on the internet. You can provide us with a free demonstration, if you wish.
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Localizing my outrage on simply one facist when many more exist would make me no better than you. As you have seen, I've called out both r3x and T3 on these kinds of offenses. Just because you guys refuse to acknowledge them, that doesn't make them "puny indignities."
FDR, Stalin, and Mao, for example, had many problems laid before them by their constituency. All of which were either ignored or silenced. Ignored like my very first post about T3 moving threads. Or silenced like r3x's thread, in which he quoted my PM, being moved to the RC forum, and, eventually, the OT forum where the thread's original script was edited (even though the thread contained serious conversation regarding my problems with the mods).
You see Dave, this isn't simply about you. It's about every mod here who claims that there is credence for a second DT forum and then will have no dissent regarding the matter. If this weren't the case, I'd be stalking every post you make and saying, "Facist!" But that's not what I've done so far.
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I'm bored with this. All who think I should bump this thread to Offtopics say "aye".
aye.
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Well, that's a majority so far. Quote:
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Localizing my outrage on simply one facist when many more exist would make me no better than you. As you have seen, I've called out both r3x and T3 on these kinds of offenses. Just because you guys refuse to acknowledge them, that doesn't make them "puny indignities."
FDR, Stalin, and Mao, for example, had many problems laid before them by their constituency. All of which were either ignored or silenced. Ignored like my very first post about T3 moving threads. Or silenced like r3x's thread, in which he quoted my PM, being moved to the RC forum, and, eventually, the OT forum where the thread's original script was edited (even though the thread contained serious conversation regarding my problems with the mods).
You see Dave, this isn't simply about you. It's about every mod here who claims that there is credence for a second DT forum and then will have no dissent regarding the matter. If this weren't the case, I'd be stalking every post you make and saying, "Facist!" But that's not what I've done so far.
What a curious post. I admire your convictions. And you're right to dissent - dissent and the right to dissent are two of my favourite things in the world. Now you've explained it, I have no issue with it: you can do as you wish here, and I'll support you in it.
I will pass this along to my fellow moderators, explaining that you are actually engaging in a form of intellectual expression regarding concern with the philosophy of censorship, and that we simply were not correctly interpreting it.
Thinking about it in the context of interpretation, each of your repetitive posts decrying facism is in fact on one view a form of art, and I won't interfere in art.
The only quibbles I have at all are:
1. if you are that passsionate in your convictions, why reserve it for an obscure and insignficant message board on the internet? There are plenty of places where passion for dissent would come in handy. In fact, you don't even need to leave your keyboard to express yourself on issues and ina way to potentially make a difference. This is the "if only you'd use your powers for good instead of evil" argument.
2. the RKMBs are private property. Rob can take a pee all over these boards and distort or erase every post here, and we - all of us - would have no say in it whatsoever. Instead he's seen fit to create this forum, and appoint three of us to govern it as his delegates. The terms "facism" or even "censorship" simply don't correctly apply to use of private property by its owner. Rob could ban you, open a hundred forums, or a thousand, and and have everyone dedicated to discussing humiliating parodies of every single one of your posts here, in a veritable bumper harvest of internet "facism", as he would be properly entitled to do.
Odd too that you mention FDR in the same breath as Mao and Stalin, but there you go.
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I'm bored with this. All who think I should bump this thread to Offtopics say "aye".
aye.
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Localizing my outrage on simply one facist when many more exist would make me no better than you. As you have seen, I've called out both r3x and T3 on these kinds of offenses. Just because you guys refuse to acknowledge them, that doesn't make them "puny indignities."
I tried to address your complaints in PMs and in that thread. You were more interested in complaining and getting attention than anything else.
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FDR, Stalin, and Mao, for example, had many problems laid before them by their constituency. All of which were either ignored or silenced. Ignored like my very first post about T3 moving threads. Or silenced like r3x's thread, in which he quoted my PM, being moved to the RC forum, and, eventually, the OT forum where the thread's original script was edited (even though the thread contained serious conversation regarding my problems with the mods).
I think you overestimate the amount of power Rob has given us. Moving and editing posts is a far cry from the power of a world leader.
I know you want to convince yourself this is some worthy and noble battle, but its not. No one cares that much. I get the sense that when you call us facists you really mean it.
As Mr. JLA might say were he still alive:
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You see Dave, this isn't simply about you. It's about every mod here who claims that there is credence for a second DT forum and then will have no dissent regarding the matter. If this weren't the case, I'd be stalking every post you make and saying, "Facist!" But that's not what I've done so far.
of all the wrongs in the world, you pick this one?
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I'm bored with this. All who think I should bump this thread to Offtopics say "aye".
aye.
Dave, did you ever consider moving those posts that are off topic rather than disgarding the entire thread?
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I will pass this along to my fellow moderators, explaining that you are actually engaging in a form of intellectual expression regarding concern with the philosophy of censorship, and that we simply were not correctly interpreting it.
In turn, I'll stop calling you a "facist". Can't make any promises for T3 though.
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1. if you are that passsionate in your convictions, why reserve it for an obscure and insignficant message board on the internet? There are plenty of places where passion for dissent would come in handy. In fact, you don't even need to leave your keyboard to express yourself on issues and ina way to potentially make a difference. This is the "if only you'd use your powers for good instead of evil" argument.
Who says I'm only this passionate on an MB?
Seriously though, my convictions weren't actually born from my rage at the mods; it was when my concerns were disregarded that I devloped any rage. I was, at first, questioning the wisdom of adding a second DT forum (in an albeit colorful way). It's only when my threads were moved and ignored that I made a thing out of it (which is why I spammed the board). After it was actually seriously discussed, the thread was moved (by r3x), for no good reason, to the RC forum. I stated a complaint about it being moved from the philosophy forum and then had more serious conversation. Then the thread was moved to the OT forum by Prometheus, again, for no good reason. He, himself, said that he anticipated and hoped for the mods there to edit the shit out of it. T3 didn't even bother to say anything.
To tell you the truth, this doesn't spark "rage" so much as it does "disgust". Prometheus and r3x are obsessed with the clique, which is why they moved the thread despite its serious content. They didn't really care how serious it was because they figured no one (that mattered) would care. So I just decided to bitch-slap them off their mutually shared high horse--And I did.
This is a place where I state my opinions in script. Script that is given the opportunity to be edited by people who aren't me. I'd like to be confident in the idea that it's a place of stability where the authority is credible. Their actions aren't very illustrative of that.
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2. the RKMBs are private property. Rob can take a pee all over these boards and distort or erase every post here, and we - all of us - would have no say in it whatsoever. Instead he's seen fit to create this forum, and appoint three of us to govern it as his delegates. The terms "facism" or even "censorship" simply don't correctly apply to use of private property by its owner. Rob could ban you, open a hundred forums, or a thousand, and and have everyone dedicated to discussing humiliating parodies of every single one of your posts here, in a veritable bumper harvest of internet "facism", as he would be properly entitled to do.
You're right. It is Rob's board. And he can do what he wants with it. And, in some senses, the word "facist" isn't appropriate (although, that doesn't mean it's incorrect). "Censorship", however, knows no specific environment. Just because a person's being told to shut up on private property, that doesn't mean said person isn't being censored. Anyway, I realize that no one is doing anything against the law since, as Rob already said, these boards have no rules. But that doesn't mean I have to like it or stay quiet about comparing actions by the mods here to ones made by certain dictators. Like I said, this is where I post my opinions, and I have concerns about how credible their safety is.
Also, just to reiterate: My protest of a second DT forum wasn't a kind of, "Rob this is against the law!" As I said before, I was just stating my opinion, but was later ignored.
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I tried to address your complaints in PMs and in that thread. You were more interested in complaining and getting attention than anything else.
Actually, I later discussed them with you in the thread you made. The one you decided to move.
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I think you overestimate the amount of power Rob has given us. Moving and editing posts is a far cry from the power of a world leader.
This isn't about the power you have. It's about how you're using it. Your actions as a mod are comparable to the actions of censorship as was perpetrated by those dictators.
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of all the wrongs in the world, you pick this one?
So you admit you've done wrong? Splendid.
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I think you overestimate the amount of power Rob has given us. Moving and editing posts is a far cry from the power of a world leader.
This isn't about the power you have. It's about how you're using it. Your actions as a mod are comparable to the actions of censorship as was perpetrated by those dictators.
I like how you equate being imprisoned, hanged, or shot with your thread being moved to a board that's literally a click away.
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of all the wrongs in the world, you pick this one?
So you admit you've done wrong? Splendid.
Its "wrong" only in the sense that you are unhappy with it and feel wronged. It is not wrong enough that you can actually compare it/yourself to someone speaking out against a repressive political regime at the risk of their own life and freedom.
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Can we ban Pariah out of this forum just on the principle that deep thoughts flee from him like Jesse Owens from a Lynch Mob?
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Can we ban Pariah out of this forum just on the principle that deep thoughts flee from him like Jesse Owens from a Lynch Mob?
you can't run away from Hitler by going in a circle, but if you're fast enough he might storm out.
Nixon used to say that while on the toilet.
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I like how you equate being imprisoned, hanged, or shot with your thread being moved to a board that's literally a click away.
Stop trying to evade the issue. The people I mentioned censored people. That's what I'm focusing on here. The point of mentioning them, even on something as insignificant as an MB, is to point out that your code of conduct as an authority is treading within their boundaries (even if you're not totally like them).
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It is not wrong enough that you can actually compare it/yourself to someone speaking out against a repressive political regime at the risk of their own life and freedom.
Of course it is. Even if this place doesn't have any rules officially ingrained on it, your actions can still accurately be compared to that of a dictator.
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Can we ban Pariah out of this forum just on the principle that deep thoughts flee from him like Jesse Owens from a Lynch Mob?
Will you go out with me?
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I like how you equate being imprisoned, hanged, or shot with your thread being moved to a board that's literally a click away.
Stop trying to evade the issue. The people I mentioned censored people. That's what I'm focusing on here. The point of mentioning them, even on something as insignificant as an MB, is to point out that your code of conduct as an authority is treading within their boundaries (even if you're not totally like them).
your posts exist (aside from those spam threads). you weren't threatened or edited. they were just moved to the appropriate forum where, quite frankly, more people go.
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It is not wrong enough that you can actually compare it/yourself to someone speaking out against a repressive political regime at the risk of their own life and freedom.
Of course it is. Even if this place doesn't have any rules officially ingrained on it, your actions can still accurately be compared to that of a dictator.
please show me the dictator who's worst crime is moving a thread. Hell, our "dictatorship" is lighter than any government on Earth has ever been if the worst thing we do is move a thread.
Not delete a thread.
Not edit the thread or shift it to hide opposing views (G-man does that).
But move it.
You had some random threads moved to random chat. Get a girlfriend, get a job, move out of your mom's house, but stop spending all of your energy here.
Its sad to the point that even Rob pities you.
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r3x, leave Pariah be, and let it go. We understand Pariah's complaint. It boils down to having a concern over the establishment of this forum, and then not being listened to. I think its enough to say that the establishment of this forum has taken place for valid reasons which Pariah did not know of at the time, and we undertake to appreciate Pariah's concerns with more seriousness next time. Quote:
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I'm bored with this. All who think I should bump this thread to Offtopics say "aye".
aye.
Dave, did you ever consider moving those posts that are off topic rather than disgarding the entire thread?
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I hear alot of people claim to be agnostics and while they don;t necessarily share a single systematic philosophy they all seem to hold the general view that there "might" be a God, but that the evidence was insufficiant or to put it another way "the verdict was still out". Now why is it that in most cases the idea that there may be a God leads most to a sort of passive Athiesm an attitude like "There might be a God, but I could really care less" and a life that reflects an indifference towards God as though His existence were inconcequential. It seems that the responce that there could be a supreme being and ruler of the universe who may or may not require something of humanity would lead the true agnostic to a life altering persuit of a difinitive answer. I would expect to see the agnostic in Church every Sunday, Synigogue every Saturday and spend thier free time reading every volume on the subject, memorising the scriptures and more. But it seems that agnosisim seems to cultivate laziness rather than dilligence as far as rligion and persuit of the nature of God.
You really are the worst troll on these boards. Not only are you a condescending asshole, you are also illiterate to the point where I can barely understand what you said in this post. If trying to prove a point gets you so upset you can't even spell simple four and five letter words, maybe its time to do a little soul searching of your own.
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Funy... you start off with what a troll I am then let fly the personal attacks. Do you see the irony?
I don't see why you assume I can't spell when I'm upset. I can't spell ever. Even then it's not that I can't spell, I simply have a decodeing problem similar to dyslexia add to that the the fact that I never formally learned propper typing technique and you get a mishmash of misspelled words that I can easily catch on proofread. It's also interesting that you would associate emotianal significance to poor spelling seeing as how I've caught you in many a spelling error yourelf. Also notable is that the spelling errors I've seen in you are the type that can slip past spell-check (hear instead of here etc...) suggesting that you're spelling ability is simpply based on the fact that you run your posts through spell check. Hardly a position of superiority. All that demonstrates is that you are more concerned with what people on these boards think of you.
Now if you'd be so kind there were some agnostics who were secure enough in thier beliefs that they were able to discuss it without crying, so if you'd let the conversation return to topic we'd appreciate it.
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I think its enough to say that the establishment of this forum has taken place for valid reasons which Pariah did not know of at the time, and we undertake to appreciate Pariah's concerns with more seriousness next time.
Actually, I understood your reasons for the new DT forum. But I questioned their validity in the past threads I made.
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your posts exist (aside from those spam threads). you weren't threatened or edited. they were just moved to the appropriate forum where, quite frankly, more people go.
As I said before: The thread that you and Prometheus subsequently moved was edited. Prometheus even stated that he hoped the OT forum mods would edit the thread when he put it there. The entire reason you moved it was because you felt it had become "silly", which made absolutely no sense. You didn't even give me a chance to dispute how you found it to be "silly".
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please show me the dictator who's worst crime is moving a thread. Hell, our "dictatorship" is lighter than any government on Earth has ever been if the worst thing we do is move a thread.
Not delete a thread.
Not edit the thread or shift it to hide opposing views (G-man does that).
But move it.
There's really not much of a difference considering the entire point of your endeavor was to make the issue go away. The only reason you moved it was because you found it to be a personal hinderance--And that is fascist behavior.
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You had some random threads moved to random chat. Get a girlfriend, get a job, move out of your mom's house, but stop spending all of your energy here.
Its sad to the point that even Rob pities you.
Actually, it's more sad to know that you think I put all of my energy into responding to you.
Here's the rundown: My thread was drawing attention to your, and T3's, censorship habits through the moving of topics. This irritated you, so you got rid of the thread from where you wouldn't feel obligated to respond to its convictions.
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Pariah, stop being a dick (I know thats hard for you).
None of the mods here are facists, even that cunt G-Man!
Each of us have been charged by Rob with maintaining the various forums.
Part of that job is deciding if certain topics are valid within the forums.
While the basic decision making is a personal choice, the reasoning is based on the fact that you have to think about everyone who posts in that forum!
If a mod feels that a topic or post is far beyond that forums designated topic, or diverts from the premise of the forum/topic, then they are well within their rights to move said topic/post!
This is what happens in the real world as well, although you probably have never bore witness to this!
Governments make decisions (& yes, that includes the US government) based on the same ideals.
If congress creates a law you dont agree with, does that make them facists?
And if so, then does that not make the USA a fascist state?
The reason mods are put in place is so that Rob can be a lazy bastard and let us do all the hard work for him.
Sometimes mods step over the line (as recently witnessed within the sports forum), but cries of "facism" are just the angry cries of a boy who has yet to fully understand what true facism is!
Please put you soap box away & try to act like a real adult!
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FUCK OFF YOU BLEEDIN' CUNT!
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I couldn't have said it better myself. 
But you couldn't, and never quite have been able to, have you Phil?
Always the follower, and never quite on the front line of debate. Being a cheerleader might make you popular with the boys, but it doesn't mean you're in the game and taking the hits.
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Point fingers at me all you want. I'm not the one who's calling out Nowhereman. And don't be angry with me because I have better things to do than argue with people on the Internet.
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Also, do you realize you just attempted to call me someone else's yes-man by, well, quoting someone else?
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Also, do you realize you just attempted to call me someone else's yes-man by, well, quoting someone else?
Putting the "fun" back in Fundamentalist Christian Dogma.
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I think more like a deist than an agnostic these days.
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It makes me laugh.
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I hear alot of people claim to be agnostics and while they don;t necessarily share a single systematic philosophy they all seem to hold the general view that there "might" be a God, but that the evidence was insufficiant or to put it another way "the verdict was still out".
I'll agree with that.
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Now why is it that in most cases the idea that there may be a God leads most to a sort of passive Athiesm an attitude like "There might be a God, but I could really care less" and a life that reflects an indifference towards God as though His existence were inconcequential.
Now, considering your definition of agnostics I'm gonna assume you mean something closer to "...that reflects an indifference towards the possible existence of God, as though it were inconsequential." Not trying to berate you on spelling or grammar, just trying to make more clear your understanding that, from an Agnostic's point of view, there isn't necessarily a God.
And I think your question is justified. Why wouldn't anyone who isn't sure spend his or her life persuing an answer?
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It seems that the responce that there could be a supreme being and ruler of the universe who may or may not require something of humanity would lead the true agnostic to a life altering persuit of a difinitive answer. I would expect to see the agnostic in Church every Sunday, Synigogue every Saturday and spend thier free time reading every volume on the subject, memorising the scriptures and more.
Well, let's make a few things clear:
First, not every agnostic believes the same exact thing. It's true. Not every Christian believes the exact same thing about all matters spiritual (no matter what some Christians and others want to believe). Not every Republican believes the exact same thing about all things political (no matter what some Democrats want to believe).
Skepticism about God's existence is the only hard and fast rule for agnostics, really. Many roads lead to that city.
Second, not every professed Agnostic is true. Many, I'm sure you'll agree, are atheists who don't want to commit. Some are even God fearing believers who want to be "New Age" (believe me, I've met a few).
Now, I'll agree with others that your initial post seemed somewhat accusatory, so just grin and bare this paragraph. If your point in starting this thread was to berate people who won't just admit they believe one way or another, go right ahead. I don't agree but I won't stand in your way. If your point in starting this thread was to accuse all Agnostics of being Atheists in disguise, that I also disagree with 100%. But again, I won't stand in your way. If your point was to ask why TRUE Agnostics don't all pursue God...that's the right question, I think.
To start, I think you have to take this part of what you said...
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...who may or may not require something of humanity...
...and throw it away. Many Agnostics are resolute that IF there is a God, a being so great and mighty would never bother to require anything from us. And so they leave the Holy books alone and regard them as human consolation at its best. There is no earthly answer because God would have no reason to care enough to worry about something so small and insignificant. Why leave rules for ants to follow?
I had more but I'll leave it for another time. This post is already way too long and I haven't even had breakfast yet 
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I think more like a deist than an agnostic these days.
How come?
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I like that whole "There's no proof" line agnostics and atheists always spout. There's no proof to the theory that no two sets of fingerprints are alike, but that doesn't stop 99% of the world's population from accepting it.
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The world's population, eh? Oh, and 97% of statistics are made up on-the-spot.  Agnostics make up about 1% of those surveyed in the USA, Athiests are closer to about 5% I think. The math works out about right, Snarf. There is no proof for or against the existance of a god entity. Anyone could use the argument and be wholly valid. It all comes down to faith and belief and acceptance. *shrug* No surprises there. My counselor told me that studies tend to indicate correlation between a child's experiances from birth to 2 years old and the faith they identify themselves with as adults. I found this interesting. She didn't hook me up with the sources though and it was a few years back... I cannot verify any of the tudies. It's fun to contemplate though.
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