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*note: I am not accusing Chris Benoit of being a cereal killer. I'm just using an extreme example to make my point. Right. There is no evidence of him devouring boxes of Lucky Charms before he whacked his family...
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probably Dean. probably Chavo. otherwise, who could say without seeing the phones?
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I dunno how to spell the other "cereal."
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Allegedly. If Benoit did do it, then he kept this dark side a secret. And all these folks who adopted him into their family, the Malenkos and Guerreros and Harts, were either fooled or didn't care. Or, Benoit just had some kind of madness festering within him. So he was either a sociopath or a ticking time bomb. Nice. Everyone thought O.J. was a hell of a nice guy until he killed his wife. Or, alternatively, the cops came in with a preconceived notion and are failing to investigate all the angles. The reports indicate Benoit hanged himself. That's hard to fake with a man his size. Its pretty obvious the guy killed his wife and kids. The only real question is why.
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Allegedly. If Benoit did do it, then he kept this dark side a secret. And all these folks who adopted him into their family, the Malenkos and Guerreros and Harts, were either fooled or didn't care. Or, Benoit just had some kind of madness festering within him. So he was either a sociopath or a ticking time bomb. Nice. Everyone thought O.J. was a hell of a nice guy until he killed his wife. Or, alternatively, the cops came in with a preconceived notion and are failing to investigate all the angles. The reports indicate Benoit hanged himself. That's hard to fake with a man his size. Its pretty obvious the guy killed his wife and kids. The only real question is why. wait...OJ...was guilty?? 
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From News1130.com:
We may never know the reasons behind Chris Benoit's decision to take the life of his wife, young son and himself. However, a Delta woman, who was in contact with the Canadian wrestler a few years ago, said she might have some insight into the family. Pam Winthrope said Benoit's son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome. Winthrope said she has experienced the condition first hand and knows how it can tear a family apart.
Fragile X syndrome is an inherited mental impairment. Pam's 12-year-old son has the condition and she said in an effort to shed light on the syndrome, her husband called Chris Benoit about five years ago.
She said, "We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn't want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet."
Winthrope said she couldn't believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son. She added that families can be torn apart by the disease because it's very difficult to find help and support. She said, "You as a parent have to go out there and find what's available and it's not easy --they don't tell you."
Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit’s state of mind. According to WebMD.com, "Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder."
While the above information has not been verified by authorities, this may explain why the Daniel was being given Human Growth Hormone as reported by Fayetteville District Attorney Scott Ballard in an interview with ESPN.com. Ballard said that Daniel was apparently found with needle marks in his arm and was being given HGH because the family thought he was undersized.
It may also shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition.
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So he had a retarded kid. THAT justifies a double homocide. 
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G-Man, this thread has been a serious discussion about the career of Chris Benoit, the tragedy of the situation, and a frank look about mental illness. If you've something to add along those lines, feel free. Otherwise, go post the snide comments elsewhere. You didn't have anything to say earlier in this thread; you wait until FOX news tells you what bias to parrot.
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So he had a retarded kid. THAT justifies a double homocide. what if the retarded kid was a sockfucker?
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C'mon Snarf. Pretty much every news station is America is reporting the guy murdered his family. Don't be blinded by hero worship. The man is a killer. And if he wasn't some famous wrestler neither you nor anyone else would be giving him a bit of sympathy. But merely because his fans enjoyed watching his fictionalized wrestling bouts on TV, they're bending over backwards to be compassionate to this sick, murdering, fuck.
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Regardless of what you may think of him, G-Man, the fact is that Benoit had many fans and (more to the point) many friends and family members who will be upset at the loss of a man who was widely respected in his field of work. Just becuase he may have murdered his wife and child (and, remember, it has yet to be conclusively proved), it does not stop him being a human being, and it does not mean that we should not show his memory some respect, even if what he did was wrong.
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I don't care if a child killer is famous or not. Its sick and evil to murder your kid. People like that deserve no sympathy, only hatred and scorn.
I at least hope that, when he hanged himself, he suffered before he finally died. At least that would be a little justice.
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I at least hope that, when he hanged himself, he suffered before he finally died. At least that would be a little justice.
what if he was a masochist who got off on erotic asphyxiation?
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I think we should also note that there was a bible found by the bodies of his family. Christianity: a religion of peace?
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I'm guessing he wasn't much of a Christian if he believed in murder and suicide both of which are mortal sins, are they not?
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I'm guessing he wasn't much of a Christian if he believed in murder and suicide both of which are mortal sins, are they not? Abraham and Isaac. Also Jesus knowing the Romans were coming for him but doing nothing to save himself is technically "suicide by cop."
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Could you two please keep your David Addison/Maddie Hayes bullshit to just one forum?
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We would, but the mod in that forum's an annoying bitch.
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G-man must have forgot that he's no longer a mod.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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G-Man is just pissed that Benoit killed himself and a lawyer didn't get to represent him in a very public murder case....
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No, I'm pissed because I think people that kill their kids are scumbags. I also think its sad that the same people who (rightly so) thought Paris Hilton should go to jail for a misdemeanor, and mocked her idiot fans, now engage in a similar form of celebrity worship over a killer.
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I don't care what G's position on Benoit is. He and Ray just need to keep their sexual games to the Rob's Blog forum with all the other overt homosexuality.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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Since I keep trying to talk about Benoit, and YOU keep trying to talk about me (and Ray), who's derailing the topic here, doc?
Hell, even Adler has been talking about Benoit, specifically, his religion and what motive if any, that played in his murdering his family. It seems to me that Ray's point is no less on topic than all the hand wringing from Benoit groupies about steroids and his kid's retardation.
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Benoit had a son with physical and possibly mental defects.
Fathers have aspirations and expectations for their sons, whom they view as the physical embodiement of their own hopes and dreams.
Benoit may have had dreams of his son as going into the family business someday. All that was crushed when the son was born a less than perfect physical specimen.
Benoit may have been angry at his wife for not having the athletic son he had wanted.
While I was in Bethany Beach, Delaware last month with my club, I saw a father in a toy store, showing his Down's Syndrome son some wind up toys. He wound up a barking toy dog. The son watched it and laughed. The father wound up other toys, which walked around and made various animal sounds. The son laughed at those, too. I could tell that the father truly loved his son and accepted him as he was.
Perhaps Benoit could not love his own "defective" son at all, and 7 years of disapointment had made him angry at his wife and son.
This long term unhappieness was finally expressed in an explosion of rage last weekend.
I don't pretend to know exactly why Benoit had murdered his family, I merely offer a possible explanation.
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He was rich. If he couldn't handle having the kid, it isn't like he didn't have alternatives to murdering him and the child's mother. For example, he could have divorced the wife and just paid child support. Cold, but better than killing people.
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source is Bob Ryder, take it for what it's worth. Bob Ryder discussed the issue with those close to Chris Benoit. They requested anonymity, of course.
Anonymous Comment On Road Rage "This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."
Anonymous Comment On Religion “Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.”
Ryder also mentioned that those close to Nancy Benoit claim that she has kept evidence of previous violence from Chris Benoit in a security deposit box somewhere.
Like the autorities warned us, this situation is getting more and more disturbing. There's the understatement of the year. My gut feeling tells me that what we've found out already will seem tame compared to what's still to be learned. This case is getting more eerie by the minute...hell, by the second.
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He was rich. If he couldn't handle having the kid, it isn't like he didn't have alternatives to murdering him and the child's mother. For example, he could have divorced the wife and just paid child support. Cold, but better than killing people. G Man, maybe Benoit was afraid that Mrs. Benoit would sue him for everything he had if he wanted a divorce?
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RE, Jerry comment: Fear of divorce isn't a justification for murder, of course. But its often a motive.
RE, Oakley comment: Isolation of a spouse is also consistent with spousal abuse. So who knows? Personally, I'd rather have sympathy for the victims than the killer.
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source is Bob Ryder, take it for what it's worth. Bob Ryder discussed the issue with those close to Chris Benoit. They requested anonymity, of course.
Anonymous Comment On Road Rage "This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."
Anonymous Comment On Religion “Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.”
Ryder also mentioned that those close to Nancy Benoit claim that she has kept evidence of previous violence from Chris Benoit in a security deposit box somewhere.
Like the autorities warned us, this situation is getting more and more disturbing. There's the understatement of the year. My gut feeling tells me that what we've found out already will seem tame compared to what's still to be learned. This case is getting more eerie by the minute...hell, by the second. Your extrapolation on this case is most likely correct. More facts are emerging that have me believe that Benoit resented his family for having been less than perfect.
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Child and spousal abusers always have an excuse.
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Child and spousal abusers always have an excuse. So do people who claim they are defending thier country.
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Child and spousal abusers always have an excuse. So do people who claim they are defending their country. True, but (at least in my beliefs) that doesn't make it right.
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No, I'm pissed because I think people that kill their kids are scumbags. I also think its sad that the same people who (rightly so) thought Paris Hilton should go to jail for a misdemeanor, and mocked her idiot fans, now engage in a similar form of celebrity worship over a killer. G, if Benoit was alive and mentally ill, as I suspect, and did these things I would have no problem with him getting the death penalty. I'm not excusing the act...I am not idol worshiping either. It's hard for me to fathom that he killed his child in cold blood without being mentally deficient at the time. It doesn't add up with the accounts of his closest friends, and he had other children--this wasn't his only child--his only legacy. Bottom line, this case hasn't started yet--it isn't over yet. I'm not gonna go out and buy any Benoit DVDs at any rate before or now or later...I also don't think anybody here is saying the guy should be forgiven either...just that it doesn't add up.
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G, brings it out in me....he so fucking know it all sometimes. He is the only person that can possibly be right on any given opinion or stance.
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Child and spousal abusers always have an excuse. So do people who claim they are defending their country. True, but (at least in my beliefs) that doesn't make it right. I'm just pointing out G-Man's hypocrisies. It's ok for him to worship a criminal and traitor to our country, but he lambastes us for this thread about Benoit.
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Not that you're being particularly on topic, but which "traitor" am I "worshipping?"
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