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However, the Willie Horton incident was an example of a flawed government policy. Furthermore, the people who criticized Dukakis for that policy were the same people who support the locking of people at Gitmo as a policy.
Therefore, there is no inconsistency.
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However, the Willie Horton incident was an example of a flawed government policy. Furthermore, the people who criticized Dukakis for that policy were the same people who support the locking of people at Gitmo as a policy.
Therefore, there is no inconsistency.
Edmund Muskie
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White House denies leaking info that hurt Al-Qaeda spyingWASHINGTON (AFP) - The White House on Tuesday denied being the source of a leak involving an Osama bin Laden video that a private intelligence firm said had sabotaged its secret ability to intercept Al-Qaeda messages.
Asked if the White House was the source of the leak, spokeswoman Dana Perino said: "No, we were not ... We were very concerned to learn about it."
The SITE Intelligence Group said it lost access that it had covertly acquired to Al-Qaeda's communications network when the administration of President George W. Bush let out that the company had obtained a bin Laden video early last month ahead of its official release, the Washington Post said.
"Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless," SITE founder Rita Katz told the newspaper.
SITE monitors websites and public communications linked to radical Islamist groups and organizations deemed terrorist by US authorities and provides the information to clients, including news media companies.
It got hold of the bin Laden video before its release and provided it for free to the White House on the morning of September 7 but insisted that the video's existence remain secret until it spotted the official release, in order to protect its own work.
"Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's website," the Post said.
By that afternoon the video and a transcript from it had been leaked to a cable television news network and broadcast worldwide, the Post reported.
According to Katz, this tipped off Al-Qaeda that its communications security had been breached by SITE.
White House officials said the matter would be referred to the Director of National Intelligence, and that the White House was not planning any internal investigation.
"When the White House receives information from an individual or a company, we refer that appropriately to the intelligence community. That's what happened here," Perino said.
"And I'll have to refer you to the Director on National Intelligence for any process problem they had in that regard."
Homeland security adviser Fran Townsend echoed Perino's "concern" and referred the matter to the nation's spy chief.
"This is going to be an issue for the DNI to look at so that we can understand what, if anything, happened, and how to deal with it to ensure that we fully protect those who cooperate with us," Townsend said.
"I haven't looked at the internal White House emails, so what I can tell you is the DNI and the Intelligence Committee will need to look at who had access to it.
She added: "We are only going to be successful in the war on terror with the help of the American people."
The video appeared to be timed to coincide with the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States, and was bin Laden's first video appearance since October 2004.
In it, the elusive Al-Qaeda chief mocked the United States as "weak" and vowed to escalate fighting in Iraq.
Another US-based organization that monitors Islamic militant websites, IntelCenter, said its "sources, methods and techniques ... to collect terrorist video material remain intact," according to CEO Ben Venzke, who added that the focus on rushing videos to the public could have dangerous consequences.
"Simply getting the video first but not having the professional knowledge and responsibilities to know what to do with it can not only result in the loss of valuable intelligence but it can actually harm ongoing activities within the official counterterrorism community," he said.
This "has happened time and time again when private citizens and organizations outside of the IC (intelligence community) play in fields where they lack the depth and experience." I'd start thinking that trying to toot your own horn is more important to the White House than actually catching terrorists.....
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To summarize. In the midst of an ongoing policy debate over how much power the Bush administration should have to obtain surveillance powers, the White House has demonstrated once again that it simply can’t be trusted to handle national security information responsibly. Leak Severed a Link to Al-Qaeda's Secrets WaPO A small private intelligence company that monitors Islamic terrorist groups obtained a new Osama bin Laden video ahead of its official release last month, and around 10 a.m. on Sept. 7, it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release.
Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company’s Web site. By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide.
The founder of the company, the SITE Intelligence Group, says this premature disclosure tipped al-Qaeda to a security breach and destroyed a years-long surveillance operation that the company has used to intercept and pass along secret messages, videos and advance warnings of suicide bombings from the terrorist group’s communications network.
In this case, SITE obtained the most recent Osama bin Laden video several days before it went public. Though the company is a for-profit enterprise, SITE contacted White House counsel Fred Fielding and Michael Leiter, who holds the No. 2 job at the National Counterterrorism Center, with a link to a private SITE page containing the video and an English transcript. “Please understand the necessity for secrecy,” SITE’s founder Rita Katz wrote in her email. “We ask you not to distribute . . . [as] it could harm our investigations.” That was at 10 am on Sept. 7. Within a few hours, it was on several television news outlets. Katz told the WaPo, “Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless.” Remind me, who thinks the White House is trustworthy on national security issues? And this is the 2nd such instance of events like tis one in this thread alone. Larry Johnson just posted the same incident from '05 in his blog.
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Looking at that press conference on the 1st clip, it's obvious Dana Perrino isn't the silver tongued expert bullshitter that Ari, Scott and Tony were.
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Yes. I realize that when news this devastating to the Bush Administration's facade surfaces, it takes the reeling right wingers at least 36 hours to concoct a black is white, night is day justification for it all and somehow find a way of making it MoveOn.org, George Soros and/or Bill Clinton's fault.
Still, i'd like to hear what th resident right wingers feel BEFORE the talking points come out.
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48 hours.
Still no word on how it was Bill Clinton's fault an undercover operation got "blown" because he himself was blown by an intern 10 years ago.
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48 hours.
Still no word on how it was Bill Clinton's fault an undercover operation got "blown" because he himself was blown by an intern 10 years ago. cum stains on the oval office floor caused the intel to stick to the bottom of Bush's shoes and he tracked it into an unsecure area. duh.  had Clinton not been blown all those years ago, Bush would've caught Osama by now.
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I want to know how and why this story (ies) isn't incompetence on the part of the Bush Administration?
Since G-Man brought it up that it was belittling..... I thought it was a rather fair assessment of the evidence presented. If it's not incompetence, then please enlighten me.
I never got any response one way or another on this subject from G-man. And as I respect the creativity of his slant on things, I'd like to hear this one.
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Ahh….the benefits of being a Bushie: you never have to apologize for your lack of knowledge. Dana Perino appeared on NPR’s “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me” and admitted that she RECENTLY had to ask her (British) husband if the “Cuban Missile Crisis” and the “Bay of Pigs” were the same thing. Keep that in mind the next time she says, “let’s take a historical perspective on this…”  link to mp3 file
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Indeed. Nothing says satisfaction like stupid blondes.
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I never realized she was my age. I'd definitely give it to her. She's pretty cute.
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 I wonder if she pressed charges after they gang raped her?
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 And yet I'd like ot see a porn of her willingly doing a gang bang with those guys in Iraq. 'Support the troops' and all.... 
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This is how you bsams. Pay attention whomod.
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