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Two points:

1) Ann Coulter did not expose the story that John Edwards had an affair, she just mentioned that the ENQUIRER reported it.

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2) the liberal media seems to be bending over backwards not to report this story. As this blog points out, if it were a Republican accused of the same thing, it would lead the news every night for weeks. But the Washington Post, New York Times and other liberal sources are deflecting this story as much as possible.

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it's the national enquirer and a blog. that's generally not equated with solid reporting.


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It's a story about a major Democrat candidate's infidelity, that the New York Times, Washington Post, and other liberal sources seem reluctant to either confirm or disprove.

One of the other sources listed was the Huffington Post.

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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy


One of the other sources listed was the Huffington Post.


Really? Cool. this is the current banner on their home page right now:

Ex Iraq Commander: US Officials "Derelict In Their Duties"...Have "Lust For Power"..."Incompetent Strategic Leadership"

I'm glad you stand behind the Huffington Posts reporting. ;\)

but In all seriousness, I went to the Huffington Post to corroborate your claim. All I found was links to the fact that it has been alleged. It was basically links to where right wing sites are claiming it to be so and links to news sources such as ABC News where Edwards comments on the National Enquirer story after the fact. There is no 'Huffington Post exposes Edwards' story anywhere there that I found.

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It was linked right there in the blog above.




On the other point, I can agree with military commanders in Iraq who come out and say there's been mismanagement of the war. Many have said this, and it's a fact that Rumsfeld was not giving commanders what they needed, and that the 2003 Iraq invasion from the beginning was with less than the Pentagon generals thought was necessary to do the job.

But that doesn't mean I think we should pull out immediately, or that the current Surge is not yielding significant results.

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Of course, just because a figure is influential doesn't mean he or she is right.


Take Hitler, for instance.

Oh, wait, he was to the really, really, really FAR Right, wasn't he.


National Socialism (Nazism) enforced government control of all state and industrial facilities. It engaged in state control of all aspects of life, and in government controlled social engineering.

So it was actually Leftist.



You must have missed Scindler's List then. In nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state.

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Of course, just because a figure is influential doesn't mean he or she is right.


Take Hitler, for instance.

Oh, wait, he was to the really, really, really FAR Right, wasn't he.


National Socialism (Nazism) enforced government control of all state and industrial facilities. It engaged in state control of all aspects of life, and in government controlled social engineering.

So it was actually Leftist.



You must have missed Scindler's List then. In nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state.

he walked out halfway through when he saw that Schindler was helping illegal immigration.


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I don't care how many people she brings to Christianity. That's not why I read her stuff.

I'm defending her because she's constantly misinterpreted. I know that's what she wants, but I'm a sucker for correcting people who go after her simply because she phrases something initially not so extreme in a fashion she knows people will perceive as inflammatory. Every outrageous thing she says is easily translated into wuss-speak (as I demonstrated earlier). It's not my/her fault if the Deutsch, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and HIV can't see past her jive. The fact that they're unable to means that she has effectively succeeded, many times, to put one over on them.

Phrasing something in an offensive manner does not make the implications of whatever's being said necessarily offensive.


And yet if Ray or I do it, even in jest, we're full of hate.

How many times also, do we have to hear that someone is being misinterpreted or misunderstood? Again, i hear that all the time from you guys. It's the defense that always comes AFTER the offensive and/or generalizing comment.

You wanted me to use WB's List format of quoting articles so I'll do so:

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Clearly, Ann Coulter needs a wake-up call about the power of words to injure others and fuel hatred. She needs an education, too, about the roots of anti-Semitism."


Hatred. This is what this is all about. And only her last defenders and people who swallowed her bitter pills think it's anything but hatred. It's certainly not elevating the discourse.

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Coulter's phenomenal success at marketing distasteful, mean-spirited books -- poorly written and spottily researched -- that otherwise would go all but unremarked upon by everyone except the rhetorical ghouls who haunt the political fringes.


This is clearly a matter of opinion. One I'm sure you'll disagree with. Still, one can make sport on a lot of her claims. And people do.

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Now, no Coulter promotional campaign would be complete without a calculated outrage -- a call for the forcible conversion of all Muslims, for example, or a demand for revocation of women's suffrage, an insult hurled at gays or the grieving widows of Sept. 11 victims. As more than one political consultant has remarked, the American far right is a carnivorous constituency, and it needs to be regularly thrown red meat. Coulter's singular genius has been to ignite tightly focused and timely controversies, thereby getting her ideological opponents to toss the scraps to her fans.


THIS is what she does primarily. Stoke outrage and intolerance. There is no misunderstanding. Any more than if I would say "Conservatives are retards" or "southern right wingers sleep with their daughters" would be a misunderstanding. Although if I tried hard enough I'm sure I could produce data to bolster my inflammatory rhetoric. And as Rutten says, it's all just red meat for the base. A game. she throws red meat, the left responds, and her supporters are filled with glee over the outrage she caused them. I really don't see the humanity in all this though.


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So if you know what's coming, why play ball and deliver the denunciation that validates the Coulter strategy?


Good question. In my case it's because some of the stuff she says is so outrageous and hate filled that to let it stand would be a silent endorsement of that kind of discourse. It does indeed play into her cynical game though.


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The National Jewish Democratic Council weighed in with a petition asking other broadcast news organizations not to give Coulter a forum. "While Ann Coulter has freedom of speech, news outlets should exercise their freedom to use better judgment," said council Executive Director Ira N. Forman. "Just as media outlets don't invite those who believe that Martians walk the Earth to frequently comment on science stories, it's time they stop inviting Ann Coulter to comment on politics." (Sadly, too many Americans now believe the only way to confront offensive or dangerous speech is to silence it.)


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I have no problem with her being given a forum. However, this is going to be pretty hard to defend.


I don't know why that reminded me of the Dixie Chicks. Remember when they made their comments about Bush a lifetime ago? And everyone on the right was so outraged? And then we heard about how free speech comes with responsibility and how they were free to say what they wanted but they should also be prepared for the consequences of that speech? which in essence sounded to me like veiled threats and intimidation to STFU.

I think she's free to say what she damn well pleases. But why is there a need for the media to give her a forum to call John Edwards a faggot, to attack the 9/11 widows? To call for the deaths of political opponents? All with a fey giggle and a disclaimer that she's just kidding.

In that case can I go on TV and use th N word and then laugh and say i was kidding? No. I'd be run out of town on a rail! Free speech or otherwise. Because there are standards of decency and taste when it comes to things like that. Standards that don't seem to apply to this woman.

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It's a scandal that in this pluralist nation it falls to the voices of organized Jewry to make this case, because it is a case whose outcome is of the greatest consequence to us all. For too long we've pretended that the brutal political rhetoric that now characterizes our partisan politics can be quarantined, that it won't inevitably leach over into every other aspect of our lives. In fact, it's doing just that, and soon the coarse and vituperative language of the war between red and blue -- with it's instantaneous imputations of bad-faith and utter disrespect for minimal civility -- will begin to color aspects of our civil society where mutual respect is too crucial and hard won to tolerate this sort of risk.


Too late. Already you see this language abound as far up as the hallowed halls of Congress. I'll quote myself just to spare my fingers another workout:

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I guess controversy and outrage invites ratings. It however doesn't invite consensus and commonality if you aern't part of Coulter's "us". If you happen to be the dreaded "other" , which in this case is a "liberal" , well then that poison seeps into people's minds to where they start thinking that you (liberals) hate America, you (liberals) do this and you do that. In no way do you end up resembling ,.... I dunoo... a human being? It's way past time to not be treating this woman as if she is actually providing reasoned political discourse and treating her like what she is. A cancer.




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Here, for example, is what transpired on the airwaves Friday. Deutsch went onto NBC's "Today" show and called it "scary" that, in this instance, Coulter was not being deliberately provocative. "We're playing with dangerous words in our society -- there's no accountability, there's a glibness that we in the media kind of elevate."


Glib is the correct word. And as I said, that is what this woman does best. Look at her videos and she'll insult Jews with a toss of her hair and a giggle as if it's all very innocent, clever, and funny. And except for this instance where if not for Deutsh, offended Jews, offended people with common decency, and the liberal camp have responded in unison, she would have happily walked away to spread bile another day.

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Meanwhile, Coulter was on the Kevin McCullough radio talk show, making the utterly absurd case that Deutsch somehow had ambushed her. On his blog later in the day, McCullough agreed. Deutsch, he said, "is an angry anti-Christian bigot, looking to make a name for himself by biting into Christian icons."


All par for the course. Turn your defensive stance into offense. Like I said before, it's not going to work this time. No reasonable person can see that video and think Deutsh was attacking a Christian spokesperson. So what does that make Coulter, a person who insulted Jews, (thru her allies) trying to turn the 1st offended person in all this (Deutsh) into the actual perpetrator of the religious hatred rather than her?? Besides an obvious asshole that is? I'd go with monster. A liar is a softer term but would also apply.

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How many Americans really want to follow Ann Coulter into this sort of confrontation? Not many, one suspects. But are enough of them willing to give up, once and for all, the sort of dangerous fun she and her rhetorical fellow travelers provide?


Valid question. Good question. One that deserves a response from her supporters. Because as I said, she isn't a political commentator as much as she is a cancer. One that is spreading.

So I broke down and listed that entire essay and left no room about how I feel about most every point therein. So it's not just a cut & paste job.





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I really doubt that Ann is anti-Semitic, especially given that her mentor at Cornell was Professor Jeremy Rabkin. Rabkin was a conservative, perhaps Orthodox, Jew.

Ann's comment was clearly meant in the sense that many Christians hope that everyone will embrace Jesus as "the way" to salvation. It does not mean, in any sense, that Jews are inferior.

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It seems that for a political commentator, Ann just can't seem to ever explain her self well.

Kind of like like being a doctor who can't stand the sight of blood I sppose....

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So G-Man, since you're on Ann's side of the fence and from reading your last post, a defender of her latest slime, do you agree with the counter argument presented?

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Was she ambushed? Is Donny Deutsh an anti-Christian bigot?

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I have no idea who Donny Deutsh is. Furthermore, even if I did know who is is, unlike Coulter, I didn't attend college with him and, therefore, would have less insight into his thoughts or beliefs.

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 Originally Posted By: whomod
So G-Man, since you're on Ann's side of the fence and from reading your last post, a defender of her latest slime, do you agree with the counter argument presented?

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Was she ambushed? Is Donny Deutsh an anti-Christian bigot?


Can Ann Coulter REALLY be considered a Christian icon?


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Sure she can.

If you're Ann Coulter and you made an offensive remark aimed at Jewery in general, what other strategy is available to you in the right wing playbook?

You 1st say you were misrepresented.

Then you claim you were ambushed.

Then you turn the tables and accuse whoever got the better of you of the exact same thing you are guilty of and hope it sticks.

Then you accuse whoever got the better of you of being full of "hate".

So therefore it ends up being not that Ann Coulter offended Jews but that a Jew attacked Coulter on account of her being a Christian icon.

Up is down. Night is day.

Shit, you see it here often enough! I'd think you'd understand the right wing game by now.

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So... What you're saying is Ann Coulter is going to make an alt id of the Deutsch guy, and then not apologize though everyone agrees she went over the line?


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 Originally Posted By: whomod
Sure she can.

If you're Ann Coulter and you made an offensive remark aimed at Jewery in general, what other strategy is available to you in the right wing playbook?


Must I point again that you are too comprehension challenged to see she made no insult "in general" whatsoever?

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Why don't you go down to the Simon Weisenthal Center and the Anti-Defamation League and insult their comprehension skills too while you're on your roll.

I try to be civil towards you Pariah. But you just show this incredible arrogance in your posts.

Just because you don't see any insult in ANYTHING Ann Coulter says doesn't mean that you're the final word on the subject. It just means you're her target audience.

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It gets worse... Far worse.

The defense of this that is.
The World Net Daily. An American conservative online news site, founded in 1997. It is currently in the top 80 News sites as listed at Alexa.

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Coulter is right!

America is still quite friendly towards Jews, but the incessant attacks on Christianity by the likes of Deutsch, Forman and Abe Foxman have grown increasingly tiresome. Given this irritating behavior, and the historical fact that Jews have worn out their welcome in literally dozens of countries over the centuries, it is the height of foolishness for a small number of misguided individuals to demand that 80 percent of the American population remain silent about the tenets of its religious faith.


What Coulter said was offensive but this is frankly revolting. And this is apparently the game plan. Defend Coulter by aggresively going on the offense. First on Deutsh and now on Jews??! For attacking Christians??!!

The hate is unleased (or unhinged) in it's full disgusting spectacle.

Which is exactly what i was talking about when I said Coulter was a spreading cancer.

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All I know is menopause must've arrived early for her 'cause she looks bleh.


I think it's less likely menopause and just that she's one of those women who thinks too thin is attractive.

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It hasn't been brought up anywhere that I know of but Coulter's interpretation of grace is fucked up as well. With her, it was like a mean spirited nya nya towards the Jews. "We don't have to follow the law" "We have the fast track to heaven". Like I commented before, she's a crap witness. It almost sounds as if she's one of those people that thinks grace means you have license to do whatever you want and it's forgiven.

I like to phrase grace this way. You're not saved because you follow the law, you follow the law BECAUSE you are saved. It's just something that comes naturally and (somewhat) easily (or easier) after you're saved.

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It hasn't been brought up anywhere that I know of but Coulter's interpretation of grace is fucked up as well. With her, it was like a mean spirited nya nya towards the Jews. "We don't have to follow the law" "We have the fast track to heaven". Like I commented before, she's a crap witness. It almost sounds as if she's one of those people that thinks grace means you have license to do whatever you want and it's forgiven.

I like to phrase grace this way. You're not saved because you follow the law, you follow the law BECAUSE you are saved. It's just something that comes naturally and (somewhat) easily (or easier) after you're saved.

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This is a decent article on Jesus as well. but really, do you need ANY articles? All you need to do is open the bible and it's there plain as day.

Jesus told many parables and left many examples that leaves no doubt what he believed. And it's usually NOT about the virtues of wealth and power. It's always about humility, love, and giving.

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He was not a liberal. He was an anarchist.


At one point, whomod seemed to imply that he was a social worker in L.A. or someplace.

Can you really BE an anarchist if you work for the government?


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This is a decent article on Jesus as well. but really, do you need ANY articles? All you need to do is open the bible and it's there plain as day.

Jesus told many parables and left many examples that leaves no doubt what he believed. And it's usually NOT about the virtues of wealth and power. It's always about humility, love, and giving.


Can't really afford to give anything unless you're wealthy nowadays.

Being virtuous is encouraged to insure you maintain a healthy philosophical attitude, but it's hardly a requirement. That's like saying healthcare is voluntary charity that's mandatory.

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A great quote by Ann Coulter on the Glenn Beck tv program today:

"You can identify what Democrats are up to by what they accuse you of"



So true. In the context of her remark, she was talking about how Democrats are accusing people's sounding off publicly in protest to Obama --scolding Democrats nationwide at town hall meetings over the last few days-- of being staged events, instead of being the honest outrage of individuals they truly are.

When in truth the staged events are by ACORN and their cloaked subsidiary organizations, Moveon, Code Pink and so forth.

And for that matter, staged comments at the very top by Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Dick Durbin, and Barbara Boxer, among other tools of the DNC, slandering average Americans who are finally outraged enough to object to Obama and the DNC's unprecedented waste, and abuse of power.


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    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

A great quote by Ann Coulter on the Glenn Beck tv program today:

"You can identify what Democrats are up to by what they accuse you of"


Because the heshe has never, ever accused someone of being anything they weren't.


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A great quote by Ann Coulter on the Glenn Beck tv program today:

"You can identify what Democrats are up to by what they accuse you of"


Because the heshe has never, ever accused someone of being anything they weren't.


Look who's talking. You do that ALL DAY LONG, Rex.

Dumbass.

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 Originally Posted By: rex
That's because I'm better than everyone, heshe isn't.


The unemployed basement-dwelling sockfucker is better than everyone else.

Oh, the irony !

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I'm glad you finally can see that. With help you might actually someday be a real person.


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To easy.


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 Originally Posted By: rex
To easy.


But not too literate.

Dumbass.

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