Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy


No need to elaborate. Those who arrive in mass numbers and do not assimilate, are colonizers who wish to replace the existing culture with their own. And if that is their attitude, if they have no respect for the existing culture, then they don't belong here and should be deported.


Ironic sentiment coming this close to Thanksgiving.



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Again, you're the only one who hasd voiced hate for whites as a sweeping whole, and even gloated about how hispanics are taking over.

I've only criticized those who do not assimilate, and those who are hostile to the United States and its existing culture. Period. The end.


Sorry, you don't get to twist my words and then declare the argument over. As much as you'd like.

I've already said that the ONLY people I have a problem with are nativist xenophobes like you. And sorry, but you're not representative of the majority of whites. As for my "gloating" that's just me riding your immigrant based fear. Which I can because frankly your arguments sound silly and completely unoriginal. All these assertions and claims of invasion, no desire to assimilate, wanting to use our national resources, trying to take over, all these are as old as the country itself and have been used on every large group of immigrants from the Chinese, to the Italians, to the Germans and even to Irish CATHOLICS. And in each case all the claims and hatred and suspicion was completely untrue and unfounded.


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My scornful opinion of you has nothing to do with your race. It has to do with the fact that you're openly cheering for the other side, against the United States.


Um.. "the other side"? Is a war taking place? man, you are sooo wound up by all the hatred and rhetoric out there. Always you fear something. Whether it's the immigrant, the Muslim, the Liberal, the feminist.. There is always someone at the door ready to obliterate your way of life. Tell me, with all this paranoia, how the fuck do you sleep at night?


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My ideas are common sense, and the standard set down by George Washington and Ben Franklin, who were concerned about allowing too many Germans in the country, or allowing them to immigrate too concentrated in an area. They felt a need to spread them out, so they would assimilate.


Cool! when do the relocation's take place? I want to move in near you! Yes, I'm being facetious. Because your examples of past sentiment or desires frankly won't fly anymore so I have to wonder at why you even dare to dream your weird Nativist dreams in the 1st place. And that underscores this entire thread. The entire futility of your railings. Barring mass deportations and stripping citizenship to millions, Hispanic growth will occur whether you want it to or not. LEGALLY.

Frankly, you can rail against Mexicans all you like. But it's funny that this sort of rhetoric only gets superheated every 4 years and then, like gay marriage or abortion or some other wedge bullshit, it quickly dissipates to be forgotten even by the very people who were super heating the rhetoric and were elected or re-elected to do something about it. At least until the next election cycle. That's manipulation using fear and hatred. And it's uncanny how you're always at the head of the line ready to take what these people are swilling.


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Yes. Hispanics were about 3% of the U.S. population in the 1970s.
By the 1980s, hispanics were 6%.
Hispanics are currently about 15%, using your own quoted numbers.
Hispanics are expected to reach 25% (double the already high numbers) by 2040.

And yet you don't see that as an invasion. It is a formula for balkanization and separatism. It is national suicide.


No. It's a formula for more Americans. You just don't want to face that fact that these Americans may not look like you.


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As I just statistically established, it is an invasion!


So when I move in next to you, can I take you prisoner then?

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Unquestionably.
In terms of numbers. In terms of radio and TV stations switching to spanish-only programming. It is unquestionably a cultural invasion, as well as an invasion in sheer numbers of immigrants, both legal and illegal.


Did someone take over your FOX affiliate and replace Bill O'Reilley with Don Francisco? Of course not. But you, in your weird paranoia, think that stations that cater to the immigrant population are a BAD thing. No, they mustn't be entertained in the language they know TODAY, they must be forced Clockwork Orange style to watch Lou Dobbs lecture them on how they must learn English ASAP!

Frankly as a kid, i HATED Spanish language TV because it was cheesy and low budget and not every entertaining. Plus I knew English fluently so I could watch English language shows. My parents however were slower to learn as most adults are. But eventually they watched the same shows I did. IN ADDITION to the shows they liked and grew up with. But no, to you, it's refusal to "assimilate" and a threat to ABC and NBC remaining to provide English programming.


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No.
You keep trying to make this racial. But it's not about race, it's about lack of assimilation, that is de facto invasion.


First you say this...

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I don't care whether someone is hispanic or Arab or european, so long as they assimilate and contribute to the United States. Some of the nationalities that assimilate the best into U.S. culture, who have the lowest ratios in gangs or prison, have the lowest high school dropout rates, who pursue higher education at a high rate, and who have very low ratios of welfare usage or imprisonment include Koreans, Phillipinos, Chinese and India. These I would gladly welcome over more Mexicans, who have high ratio that end up subsidized by tax dollars.


.. then you say that....

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But I have no problem recognizing that many hispanics do assimilate and contribute to our culture. Many hispanics are fighting and sacrificing in our military, and have since Texas' independence in 1836. And pursuing careers and higher education.


I'm guessing in order to sugar coat your earlier rejection of Mexicans as a group..

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It's not about race for me. You slanderously allege it's about race, to distract from my point.


Oh but it is. It's your ENTIRE point.

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And when you've done that, I've won the argument, because you have to use deceit to try and disprove the obvious truth of what I'm saying: that immigrants of any nation are a threat to the United States if they don't assimilate. And that is an opinion I share with George Washington, Ben Franklin, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy.


How long did it take the Chineese to assimilate in the 1800's? The Italians?

Nativists objected primarily to Roman Catholics (especially Irish American) because of their loyalty to the Pope and supposed rejection of American ideals. Oh man does that sound familiar to your rants.

From the 1840s to 1920 German Americans were distrusted because of their separatist social structure, their opposition to prohibition, their attachment to their native tongue over English, and their neutrality toward the war in World War I. And where is that society today? Assimilated? Of course.

Fear of low-skilled immigrants flooding the labor market was an issue in the 1920s (focused on immigrants from Italy and Poland). Assimiated or did they "take over" the country and the labor market?

The Chinese spent DECADES distrusted, holding down the most menial jobs, and living in tight knit immigrant communities (Chinatown), and speaking primarily in their native tounge before they finally assimilated into the larger society. As with your Mexican threat, they too had gang issues, as did many other immigrant communities which date back to the Irish canal gangs (1840s), Chinese gangs (tongs) in 1880s, Italian ("Mafia") (1890- present). Did all these people destroy your way of life?

Your song is an old record.

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That's yet another factless attept on your part to slander me.

You know nothing about me. You ignore that I've stated many times that I not only date non-white women, but that many of my friends are non-white or foreign nationals. My closest friend is from Argentina.


So?
You make this dating of non-white women to be some mystical totem against being called a racist or something. I don't care who you date. As I said before the measure of acceptance (because the word "tolerance' to me is frankly insulting bullshit) is not in the pretty foreign women that might catch your eye but in the ugly women, the MEN, the old people and how you interact with THEM as a collective.

As for Argentina.. I used to enjoy Argentinian MTV immensely in the early 1990's. That was part of that "Spanish language TV" you were railing about above. Because see, I'm a bit of an anglophile and Argentinian MTV was the one U.S. broadcasted station that actually showed the kind of music that I was into. While the U.S. was deep in that bullshit "grunge" craze to the exclusion of anything else, Argentinian MTV actually played TONS of britpop, shoegazing, Techno, and other EUROPEAN style music.

My point? Seeing a lot of their shows on that station, it was abundantly clear that Argentinians are a lot closer to Europeans than they were to Latin Americans. Something that was reinforced when I actually met some Argentinians. And yes, they tend to think they're more Caucasian and not Hispanic. In a very elitist way in fact. In my experience of course. So I'm guessing that is why you warm to them so well.