Originally Posted By: whomod
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Buchanan rightly points out (as in the example of George W. Bush and Karl Rove's attempt to pander to hispanic voters) that no matter how much Republicans pander to hispanic voters by lowering immigration enforcement, hispanics remain loyal Democrats, no matter what.
So Republicans can't buy hispanic voters by turning their backs on illegal immigration. It just doesn't work. (Funny how you approve of this hispanic-pandering lack of enforcement by Bush and Rove, while you rail at everything else they've done)


Now i've already discussed this bullshit, but if you need yet another opinion, here's FOX news:



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Hispanics Shifting Toward Democrats After Years of Trending Republican, Poll Shows


Could that be right??? I thought Buchanan said Hispanics have always been loyal Democrats??!!!

I'm soooo confused!!! If you can't trust Pat Buchanan's "facts" , who can you trust???

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Hispanics Shifting Toward Democrats After Years of Trending Republican, Poll Shows

Thursday, December 06, 2007

WASHINGTON — Hispanics are returning to the Democratic Party after several years of drifting toward the Republicans, with many saying Bush administration policies have been harmful to their community, a poll showed Thursday.

By 57 percent to 23 percent, more Hispanic registered voters say they favor Democrats than Republicans, according to a survey by the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center.

That 34 percentage point Democratic edge — which includes people who said they lean toward either party — has grown since July 2006, when a Pew poll measured a 21 point difference. Then, 49 percent of registered Hispanic voters said they favored Democrats and 28 percent chose Republicans.

In 1999 before President Bush's election, more Hispanics favored Democrats than Republicans by 58 percent to 25 percent — about the same margin as in the current poll.

When the former Texas governor became president in 2001, Republicans saw an opportunity to woo Hispanics to the GOP. But as the 2008 presidential campaign has heated up, immigration has become a major issue and GOP candidates have competed over who could concoct the toughest plan for cracking down on illegal immigration.

The survey found that among Hispanic registered voters:

—Forty-one percent said Bush administration policies have been harmful to Hispanics, 16 percent said they have been helpful and 33 percent said they have not had much impact.

—Forty-four percent said Democrats have more concern for Hispanics, 8 percent chose Republicans and another 41 percent said there is no difference.

—Forty-one percent said Democrats do a better job of handling illegal immigration, 14 percent named the GOP and 26 percent said neither.

Younger Hispanics are slightly more inclined than older ones to be Democrats, while those with higher incomes lean more toward the GOP than those with lower earnings, the poll showed.

Using September 2007 Census Bureau data and projecting from 2004 voting behavior, Pew estimated there would be 8.6 million Hispanic voters next year — 1 million more than in 2004.

While that would be a small portion of the overall expected vote, Pew estimated that Hispanics comprise a large enough share of eligible voters to affect the outcome in four states where Bush prevailed in 2004 by 5 percentage points or fewer: New Mexico, Florida, Colorado and Nevada.

Among Hispanics who are registered Democrats, 59 percent said they want Hillary Rodham Clinton to be their party's presidential candidate, followed by 15 percent who prefer Barack Obama. Among Hispanic Republicans, Rudy Giuliani leads Fred Thompson, 35 percent to 13 percent.

The survey involved telephone interviews with 2,003 randomly chosen Hispanics conducted from Oct. 3 through Nov. 9. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.7 percentage points. It included 843 Hispanic registered voters, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4 points.


Y'know, I really hate obliterating your xenophobic preconceptions that are fed by the likes of Pat Buchanan with facts from the reality based community, um.. well, that's a lie actually.. I quite enjoy it. but it cuts to the heart of the matter. That you're armed with assertions that aren't supported by anything but xenophobic hatred, both yours and the people you choose to believe.

And just like the self fulfilling prophecy of Iraq being a haven and training ground for Al Qaeda that didn't occur until AFTER we listened to the discredited lies of the far right, Hispanics being uniformly consistent Democratic voters is a self fulfilling prophecy created by the likes of Lou Dobbs, Tom Tancredo, Pat Buchanan, Michelle Malkin and the rest of you haters.




Buchanan covered the half-truths you try to allege.

Cuban voters for 4 decades have trended conservative (since they had a clear aversion to leftist policies, living under Castro before arriving in the U.S.)
Younger Cubans, who didn't come from the same environment, and living in a U.S. with a now-much-larger hispanic population, now lean Democrat.

There was a slight increase in hispanic numbers for Bush in 2004. But there was clearly still much greater hispanic support of Democrats, despite the Bush/Rove outreach.
It proved that the Bush/Rove pandering to hispanics by not enforcing immigration was not going to turn hispanics into Republican voters in significant numbers.

What you allege about hispanic voting trends is disproven by many sources. The driving issue remains immigration for hispanics:



Hispanics have always trended Democrat. There was a slight uptick for Republicans among hispanic voters in the 1980s, then hispanics remained largely Democrat, and in the W. Bush elections(2000 and 2004), Bush managed 40% of hispanic voters, but still not a majority. And he did this by pandering and refusing to enforce border protection.
But even so, among hispanics earning more than 60,000 a year, their Republican numbers are growing.

I don't think border enforcement = "racism/xenophobia"
It equals border enforcement. And if anyone, particularly immigrants, have a problem with the U.S. protecting its borders, they should return to the foreign nation where their loyalty clearly remains.



A few more that detail the net detrimental effect of illegals on the U.S. :




To you, "xenophobia" is anyone who beleives in protecting our borders and keeping out illegals.
To me, a lying cocksucker is someone who maliciously calls someone who beleives in protecting our nation from invaders "xenophobic".


Over and over, I've made it clear that I enjoy interacting with other cultures, on pretty much a daily basis. I'm not some white supremacist who lives in some white-only enclave of Idaho or Montana, I live in a center of immigration, interact with both immigrants and foreign visitors every day, socialize with immigrants, and have twice considered marrying immigrant women.
Any attempt to label me as xenophobe or racist rings hollow.

I simply want immigration and border security that insures we have control of our borders, our immigrants, and our economy. Immigration that flows under prescribed levels that we can economically and safely absorb, so we can select who enters our nation, is good for the United States.

Immigration in a controlled flow, that doesn't amount to the invasion-level I've seen over the last 10 years.

If you think 20 million illegals (and increasing by roughly 1 million a year) is an acceptable number, then that speaks volumes. Of your anti-Americanism, not of anyone else's xenophobia or racism.



We allow 1.2 million legal immigrants into this country every year. There is absolutely no reason we should allow people who violate our laws to be here.