To be fair, I support Hillary's right to boot these hecklers from her campaign event.
But I still wouldn't be surprised if it was staged.
It just seems really...coincidental...that as soon as her lead in the polls nationally evaporates, as soon as Obama develops a double digit lead over her in NH, as soon as he starts polling better than her among women...that suddenly she's shedding "impromptu" tears and being "harassed" by "sexist" men.
When you say shedding doesn't that actually mean tears running down a cheak? I saw the video & her eyes got watery but there wasn't any actual crying. Now I know the thought of Hillary crying has got to be a bit of a turn on for some of you but lets try to keep it somewhat reasonable here in the real world.
When you say shedding doesn't that actually mean tears running down a cheak? I saw the video & her eyes got watery but there wasn't any actual crying. Now I know the thought of Hillary crying has got to be a bit of a turn on for some of you but lets try to keep it somewhat reasonable here in the real world.
Now you're getting really pedantic in your efforts to defend her. The phrase "shed a tear" is hardly an obscure one.
When you say shedding doesn't that actually mean tears running down a cheak? I saw the video & her eyes got watery but there wasn't any actual crying. Now I know the thought of Hillary crying has got to be a bit of a turn on for some of you but lets try to keep it somewhat reasonable here in the real world.
Now you're getting really pedantic in your efforts to defend her. The phrase "shed a tear" is hardly an obscure one.
Yeah but it implies actually shedding a tear. If you think crying is actually just watery eyes why not just say it?
I'm hardly the only one to refer to her "impromptu" misting up as "crying". Again, this is really pedantic on your part. Would it make you feel better if I rephrased my post to read:
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It just seems really...coincidental...that as soon as her lead in the polls nationally evaporates, as soon as Obama develops a double digit lead over her in NH, as soon as he starts polling better than her among women...that suddenly she's misting up with "impromptu" teary eyes and being "harassed" by "sexist" men.
Because, if you want, I will. After all, you've had a rough day.
HuffPo: “It’s not easy, it’s not easy,” Clinton said shaking her head. Her eyes began to get watery as she finished answering the question, “I couldn’t do it if I didn’t just passionately believe it was the right thing to do,” she said. “I have so many ideas for this country and I just don’t want to see us fall backwards as a nation. This is very personal for me,” she said to a quiet round of supportive applause. “It’s about our country, it’s about our kids’ future, it’s really about all of us together,” she said tearing up, her voice cracking.
Hillary responds to the swirling press interest in her emotions.
I'm not having that rough a day G-man. Just got over a terrible cold & it just feels good to feel normal. As for crying, to me that has always meant actually having visible tears streaming out. Now you can certainly say she had watery eyes, tears in her eyes or that she was misty eyed but beyond the eye I hope we can agree that there were no tears.
As you can see in the two posts below this one, the wheels are off the Clinton bandwagon. She faces an epic Obama surge with few options to stem the bleeding. But just when I was feeling sorry for her, she has to morph into Giuliani:
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Facing the prospect of defeat in tomorrow’s primary, Hillary Clinton just made her strongest suggestion yet that the next president may face a terrorist attack – and that she would be the best person to handle it.
She pointed out that the day after Gordon Brown took office as the British prime minister, there was a failed attempt at a double bombing in London and Glasgow.
“I don’t think it was by accident that Al Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister,” she said. “They watch our elections as closely as we do, maybe more closely than some of our fellows citizens do…. Let’s not forget you’re hiring a president not just to do what a candidate says during the election, you want a president to be there when the chips are down.”
The scary terrorists will attack us if we don't elect Hillary! Or something.
An act of desperation for a campaign dead in the water.
Keith Olberamann also spent time yesterday on his show raking her over the coals for the very same thing. I myself wonder why she even bothers. Has fear mongering helped the gOP any as of late?
I'm not even sure what to write here. Hillary made some odd comments yesterday afternoon on FOX News about Obama and "false hope." In these comments, she sounds as though she's knocking Martin Luther King. I don't believe for a minute that that was her intent, but the comments just come off as awful:
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Clinton was asked about Obama's rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like like John F. Kennedy and King.
"Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to get it done."
Clinton didn't explicitly compare herself to Johnson, or Obama to King. But it seems an odd example for the argument between rhetoric and action, as there's little doubt which figure's place in history and the American imagination is more secure.
"The power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a president" capable of action, Clinton said.
First off, Obama in this parable is both King and Johnson - the dreamer who would be president - so Hillary's criticism doesn't really fly. The bigger problem for Team Clinton is that she really sounds like she's dissing MLK (did he have "false hope" too?). I'm convinced that wasn't her intent - she's not an idiot - but these quotes are just awful, and not what she needs right now.
I just took a look at the video myself, over at FOX's blog, and the full quotes are a bit better in that she praises King. But still, when asked about "false hope" the first person who comes to mind is MLK? And then you start talking about how MLK would have been nothing without President Johnson? (And, anyway, it was John F. Kennedy's assassination that got the civil rights bill passed.) Ugh. Watch it for yourself.
I think I understand what she's saying, but she's saying it in the worst possible way. I think she's saying that there are the dreamers and there are those in power who recognize and support those dreams and then pass laws to make them realities. Saying that dreamers are great, but the job of the President is to not be a dreamer but someone who recognizes and supports the dreams. But that's a clumsy argument. And I personally would rather have a Kennedy-esque President (or a Clinton-esque President) with big plans and the resolve to fight for them. The President she describes would be too willing to reconcile those dreams since they're not her own.
Ray, I'm not saying that Hillary was being racist saying this. And I'm not defending Lott. I'm just pointing out that, in a world where idiots have taken offense over simple words like "niggardly" and "picnic", any one but Hillary (and especially someone in the GOP) might have been in deep shit over this.
two men stood up during Hillary Clinton’s speech in Salem, NH holding signs and chanting the demand: “Iron my shirt.” Of course, a reference to a time when women were relegated only to cooking and cleaning.
It was Hillary’s reaction to the seemingly outdated heckling which made me believe that this was a staged event, designed to evoke sympathy from female voters while playing the role of martyr and long-suffering wife.
Hillary responded to the hecklers by declaring to the audience: “Ah, the remnants of sexism--alive and well.” Strangely, she then asked: “Can we turn the lights on? It’s awfully dark here for everybody.” The police came in as if on cue and removed the young protesters before a jeering crowd.
Why did she suddenly want the lights on?
The incident provided Hillary a convenient segue to talk about supposedly still-looming sexism. Hillary went on: “As I think has been abundantly demonstrated, I am also running to break through the highest and hardest glass ceiling.”
both heckling men were very young and one was a Michael Moore look-alike. As I listened to their message of “Iron my shirt,” it became clear to me that these two did not seem to be angry, nor did they have a shred of conviction in their voices. They seemed to be acting and badly at that. They also looked a little too relaxed and were even chuckling as they were led away by police officers.
Let us consider the line itself...The comment “Iron my shirt!” would have undoubtedly been a cutting insult to a female candidate running for office during the 1970’s. However in 2008, it simply sounds absurd and perhaps even confusing to those in their 20’s. Only someone over the age of 50 would consider using such a tired line (Perhaps, a 50-year old Democrat campaign consultant).
So why would Hillary’s campaign stage such an incident?...Simple. Her numbers are plummeting and support for Obama is growing larger everyday.
She is becoming desperate and a staged incident is certainly not out of the question for her, as we have seen her do in the past.
Actually the two "Iron my Shirts" guys are from the "Toucher & Rich show" & have a history of doing these type of stunts. I'm sure that won't slow the conspiracy nuts from plowing on though.
ABC News' Kate Snow Reports: Campaigning in New Hampshire one day before the first-in-the-nation primary, Senator Hillary Clinton got emotional and had tears in her eyes as she spoke with voters about how hard it is to balance a busy campaign life and her passion for the country's future.
The Senator from New York was sitting at a big table in Cafe Espresso in Portsmouth, New Hampshire with 16 undecided voters, mostly women, warmly and calmly taking questions.
Then she took an unexpected question from a woman standing in the back.
"My question is very personal, how do you do it?" asked Marianne Pernold Young, a freelance photographer from Portsmouth, New Hampshire. She mentioned Clinton's hair and appearance always looking perfectly coifed. "How do you, how do you keep upbeat and so wonderful?"
Clinton began responding, jokingly. First talking about her hair: "You know, I think, well luckily, on special days I do have help. If you see me every day and if you look on some of the websites and listen to some of the commentators they always find me on the day I didn't have help. It's not easy."
But then, Clinton began getting emotional: "It's not easy, and I couldn't do it if I didn't passionately believe it was the right thing to do. You know, I have so many opportunities from this country just don't want to see us fall backwards," she said.
Her voice breaking and tears in her eyes, she said, "You know, this is very personal for me. It's not just political it's not just public. I see what's happening, and we have to reverse it."
Watch the video HERE.
"Some people think elections are a game, lot's of who's up or who's down, [but] it's about our country , it's about our kids' futures, and it's really about all of us together," she said.
"You know, some of us put ourselves out there and do this against some pretty difficult odds, and we do it, each one of us because we care about our country but some of us are right and some of us are wrong, some of us are ready and some of us are not, some of us know what we will do on day one and some of us haven't thought that through enough," she said in a veiled reference to her Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.
"And so when we look at the array of problems we have and the potential for it really spinning out of control, this is one of the most important elections American has ever faced," Clinton said.
After the event, Pernold Young told ABC News that she was glad Clinton showed emotion.
"She allowed herself to feel," Pernold Young said. " I was surprised and I said, 'wow there's someone there.'"
Another woman in the group, Alison Hamilton of Portsmouth, New Hampshire said she, like most of the people in the group, had been considering Obama.
But after seeing Clinton become emotional, she said she was going to vote for Clinton.
"Her whole thing today really convinced me but that really did clinch it for me," Hamilton said. "She's very impressive."
During the event, Clinton also had an exchange with an Obama supporter asking whether she can bring change, and why the Democrats haven't been able to affect change in Congress, despite taking power after the 2006 midterm elections.
"At the end of the day when the cameras are off what have you done?" asked the voter.
Clinton responded, arguing a politician's record is important.
"I know that to some people it sounds like there's a contradiction between change and experience... You can't have one without the other."
Clinton said people aren't aware of the small things the Democrats in Congress have accomplished because the war in Iraq is ongoing.
"You just keep going at it every single day," she said.
Clinton Regains Momentum With New Hampshire Upset By Catherine Dodge Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton's comeback victory over Barack Obama in the New Hampshire primary revives her campaign and sets up what will probably be an extended battle for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Clinton's win came just five days after her stunning third- place finish in Iowa. The outcome in New Hampshire confounded polls that had showed the Illinois senator winning big and halts the momentum he was building. Now, the Democratic field, like the Republican one, has no clear leader heading into more than two-dozen contests over the next month.
``Now we are in a very close contest,'' Obama said on NBC's Today Show. ``That will probably go all the way through Feb. 5'' when more than 20 states hold primaries ``as the voters lift the hood, kick the tires'' to see ``who is going to fight for their families.''
Asked about the attacks on his record by Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, Obama told MSNBC: ``We have to make sure we take it to them just like they take it to us.''
Arizona Senator John McCain, 71, won the Republican primary, dealing a setback to former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, 60, and further clouding that contest. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, 52, who won the Iowa caucus, finished third in New Hampshire.
Not Discouraged
Clinton said she wasn't discouraged by polls showing her trailing Obama in the last few days by as many as 13 percentage points. ``I didn't believe it, I felt really good'' because ``voters were hearing me, they were listening. They were believing I could do what I said I will do,'' she told Fox News.
Clinton received 39 percent of the vote to 36 percent for Obama with 99 percent of precincts reporting, according to a tally by the Associated Press.
Clinton's win was reminiscent of the surge in the same state by her husband in 1992 that saved his candidacy. Bill Clinton finished second, dubbing himself the ``Comeback Kid'' because he had rebounded in the race after allegations of an extramarital affair and evading the draft during the Vietnam War.
It's ``Comeback Kid, version two,'' said Dean Spiliotes, an independent political analyst in New Hampshire. The upset gives ``people pause about Obama's viability'' and raises issues that have dogged him in the past about his experience and ``whether he's really ready,'' he said.
Two-Person Race
It's now a ``real two-person race, with a slight edge to Clinton,'' said John Fortier, a political scientist at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. ``New Hampshire shows that Clinton can win solidly among Democrats, and when we go forward to states that do not allow independents in their primaries, Clinton will be strong.'' ...
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C'mon MEM, take the stick out of your ass once in a while. I just thought it was funny that the cartoonist and I made, basically, the exact same joke.
(And, yes, it's a joke. I'm not calling you a terrorist or attacking you personally or whatever other claim of victimization you might be trying to come up with)
LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton said she would lay out her plans on Friday for jump-starting the U.S. economy, repeating that she believed it was heading into a recession. "I think we're slipping toward a recession," the New York senator and former first lady said on Thursday after campaigning door-to-door in a Las Vegas neighborhood, where homeowners expressed concern about the economy and the U.S. housing crisis. Clinton's comments echoed those she made in a Democratic debate in New Hampshire last Saturday. "I'm going to do everything I can to promote what I think would be the best way to stimulate the economy," Clinton said. She plans to detail her plans in a speech in a Los Angeles-area suburb at 11:15 a.m. PST. A weakening U.S. job market and manufacturing sector downturn last month has raised concerns the economy was near or perhaps already in recession, but U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said on Thursday the Fed saw continued, but slow, growth. Clinton said her economic proposals would include helping people pay their energy bills and ensuring the country was better prepared to help the unemployed. "We've got to put money in people's hands," she said. Clinton said the Bush administration's response to the U.S. housing crisis had been "anemic" and feared the problem would accelerate if more action was not taken, particularly in Nevada, which had the highest home foreclosure rate in the country. "This is an epidemic. It's contagious," she said. Nevada holds its presidential nominating contest on January 19 in the state-by-state race to select Democratic and Republican candidates for the November election to succeed President George W. Bush.
Reuters While much of the media punditery were busy forecasting Hillary's demise in NH they paid very little attention that she was the only one in the last debate who even brought up the economy. Much of her support in NH was blue collar workers worried about it & who might have remembered that things were better when the Clintons were in the White House.
Clinton Regains Momentum With New Hampshire Upset By Catherine Dodge Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton's comeback victory over Barack Obama in the New Hampshire primary revives her campaign and sets up what will probably be an extended battle for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Clinton's win came just five days after her stunning third- place finish in Iowa. The outcome in New Hampshire confounded polls that had showed the Illinois senator winning big and halts the momentum he was building. Now, the Democratic field, like the Republican one, has no clear leader heading into more than two-dozen contests over the next month.
``Now we are in a very close contest,'' Obama said on NBC's Today Show. ``That will probably go all the way through Feb. 5'' when more than 20 states hold primaries ``as the voters lift the hood, kick the tires'' to see ``who is going to fight for their families.''
Asked about the attacks on his record by Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, Obama told MSNBC: ``We have to make sure we take it to them just like they take it to us.''
Arizona Senator John McCain, 71, won the Republican primary, dealing a setback to former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, 60, and further clouding that contest. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, 52, who won the Iowa caucus, finished third in New Hampshire.
Not Discouraged
Clinton said she wasn't discouraged by polls showing her trailing Obama in the last few days by as many as 13 percentage points. ``I didn't believe it, I felt really good'' because ``voters were hearing me, they were listening. They were believing I could do what I said I will do,'' she told Fox News.
Clinton received 39 percent of the vote to 36 percent for Obama with 99 percent of precincts reporting, according to a tally by the Associated Press.
Clinton's win was reminiscent of the surge in the same state by her husband in 1992 that saved his candidacy. Bill Clinton finished second, dubbing himself the ``Comeback Kid'' because he had rebounded in the race after allegations of an extramarital affair and evading the draft during the Vietnam War.
It's ``Comeback Kid, version two,'' said Dean Spiliotes, an independent political analyst in New Hampshire. The upset gives ``people pause about Obama's viability'' and raises issues that have dogged him in the past about his experience and ``whether he's really ready,'' he said.
Two-Person Race
It's now a ``real two-person race, with a slight edge to Clinton,'' said John Fortier, a political scientist at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. ``New Hampshire shows that Clinton can win solidly among Democrats, and when we go forward to states that do not allow independents in their primaries, Clinton will be strong.'' ...
So Hillary "won" New Hampshire. Whichis how the major media is reporting it.
The reality of ths situation though is that for her "win", Hillary gets the same exact number of delegates that Obama does. So in reality, she TIED Obama, not really beat him. And overall, she's still in 2nd place with delegate totals.
Senator Clinton "won" with a three point upset over Senator Obama in the New Hampshire primary, 39-36 the final score. Former Senator Edwards, third at 17 percent, but, and it is an important but, a close finish between the first and second place candidates there means that in real terms, the Democratic stuff in New Hampshire ended in a tie. Senators Obama and Clinton each awarded nine delegates in last night‘s primary. Senator Edwards earning the other four. And the estimated from the Iowa caucuses and the total right now stands at: Obama, 25, Clinton 24, Edwards 18.
Major Garrett of FOX news, one of those reportedly non-partisan guys working over there above the political fray, he‘s the one who reported yesterday that the Clinton campaign would shake up its staff and call Paul Begala back from the trenches. The story was wrong. Today, it turns out Garrett never even tried to reach Begala for comment, let alone a confirmation. And when Begala wind up e-mailing Garrett to say this isn‘t true, Garrett thanked him, answered that he‘d take it under advisement but was sticking to his sources. Fox never even reported Begala‘s flat-out on the record denial.
That‘s his name, Major Garrett. You can guess what his middle name is.
Clinton Regains Momentum With New Hampshire Upset By Catherine Dodge Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton's comeback victory over Barack Obama in the New Hampshire primary revives her campaign and sets up what will probably be an extended battle for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Clinton's win came just five days after her stunning third- place finish in Iowa. The outcome in New Hampshire confounded polls that had showed the Illinois senator winning big and halts the momentum he was building. Now, the Democratic field, like the Republican one, has no clear leader heading into more than two-dozen contests over the next month.
``Now we are in a very close contest,'' Obama said on NBC's Today Show. ``That will probably go all the way through Feb. 5'' when more than 20 states hold primaries ``as the voters lift the hood, kick the tires'' to see ``who is going to fight for their families.''
Asked about the attacks on his record by Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, Obama told MSNBC: ``We have to make sure we take it to them just like they take it to us.''
Arizona Senator John McCain, 71, won the Republican primary, dealing a setback to former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, 60, and further clouding that contest. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, 52, who won the Iowa caucus, finished third in New Hampshire.
Not Discouraged
Clinton said she wasn't discouraged by polls showing her trailing Obama in the last few days by as many as 13 percentage points. ``I didn't believe it, I felt really good'' because ``voters were hearing me, they were listening. They were believing I could do what I said I will do,'' she told Fox News.
Clinton received 39 percent of the vote to 36 percent for Obama with 99 percent of precincts reporting, according to a tally by the Associated Press.
Clinton's win was reminiscent of the surge in the same state by her husband in 1992 that saved his candidacy. Bill Clinton finished second, dubbing himself the ``Comeback Kid'' because he had rebounded in the race after allegations of an extramarital affair and evading the draft during the Vietnam War.
It's ``Comeback Kid, version two,'' said Dean Spiliotes, an independent political analyst in New Hampshire. The upset gives ``people pause about Obama's viability'' and raises issues that have dogged him in the past about his experience and ``whether he's really ready,'' he said.
Two-Person Race
It's now a ``real two-person race, with a slight edge to Clinton,'' said John Fortier, a political scientist at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. ``New Hampshire shows that Clinton can win solidly among Democrats, and when we go forward to states that do not allow independents in their primaries, Clinton will be strong.'' ...
So Hillary "won" New Hampshire. Whichis how the major media is reporting it.
The reality of ths situation though is that for her "win", Hillary gets the same exact number of delegates that Obama does. So in reality, she TIED Obama, not really beat him. And overall, she's still in 2nd place with delegate totals.
Besides NH & Iowa there are a bunch of super delegates that are already distributed between the candidates that I think puts Hillary ahead.
Reality has less to do with it than perception. The delegates Obama won in Iowa were hardly significant. The perception that he was going to crush Hillary after Iowa was pricesless for his campaign though...until he lost NH.
Besides NH & Iowa there are a bunch of super delegates that are already distributed between the candidates that I think puts Hillary ahead.
What??
You're counting votes that have yet to be cast?
Besides the delegates that come with winning a state there are also quite a few super delegates that Hillary already has. Obama has about half & I think Edwards has just under 20.
Clinton said her economic proposals would include helping people pay their energy bills and ensuring the country was better prepared to help the unemployed. "We've got to put money in people's hands," she said.
Handing out federal funds, -vs- actually stimulating the economy, actually cracking down on corporate "offshoring" of jobs and manufacturing, and actually ending corporate welfare that has been rewarding corporations for taking jobs, industry and taxable income out of the United States. What Hillary Clinton proposes will just continue to put the burden on middle-class taxpayers, while corporations reap the rewards(cheap foreign labor and huge profits) while the middle class pays for these immigrants' education, healthcare and other expenses.
And that's not giving a free pass to the Republicans either. I haven't heard anything from McCain, Romney, Guiliani, or Thompson that sounds like it would take the Corporate-crackdown steps necessary to reverse this decline either.
Huckabee, Ron Paul, Edwards, and possibly Obama, are the only ones suggesting possible solutions to the hemmorage of capital and jobs leaving the United States, that is feuling this decline, not only the cyclical decline of our economy, but more significantly the long-term international decline in the dollar itself.
stop picking on hillary...
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