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 NOW on PBS: The booming Hispanic population in political swing states is creating opportunities and headaches in both political parties as they try to court the Latino vote. NOW on PBS travels to Florida just weeks before its important primary to examine Republican tactics to win over Hispanic Americans. A fifth of Florida’s residents are Hispanic, and Republicans are scoring points on traditional issues of faith and national security. But at the same time, they’re frustrating Latinos with what many of them see as harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.
Who has the winning approach?
On the NOW on PBS website, also check out our new Democracy Toolkit, with tools, information, and links to take you behind the election headlines. Considering that half the Republican platform consists of playing up the fear and hatred of brown peoples everywhere, it amazes me that they could even hope for the Latino vote. Talking about voting against your interests. The entire episode of NOW is available for download and streaming at their site.
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EVIL EVIL EVIL NON-AMERICANS.
I don't know why you stick up for them Who'. Pariah (who's knows...pretty much everything *I would have finished this post a few minutes sooner, but I had to go vomit and wash my teeth after saying this*) and WB (same) have both made very "intellectual" arguments that illegas are responsible for everything from inflation to the black plague. And I see no reason to doubt their omniscience.
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NOW on PBS: The booming Hispanic population in political swing states is creating opportunities and headaches in both political parties as they try to court the Latino vote. NOW on PBS travels to Florida just weeks before its important primary to examine Republican tactics to win over Hispanic Americans. A fifth of Florida’s residents are Hispanic, and Republicans are scoring points on traditional issues of faith and national security. But at the same time, they’re frustrating Latinos with what many of them see as harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.
Who has the winning approach?
On the NOW on PBS website, also check out our new Democracy Toolkit, with tools, information, and links to take you behind the election headlines. Considering that half the Republican platform consists of playing up the fear and hatred of brown peoples everywhere, it amazes me that they could even hope for the Latino vote. Talking about voting against your interests. The entire episode of NOW is available for download and streaming at their site. A major correction: "Considering that half the Republican platform consists of playing up the fear and hatred of illegal brown peoples entering the United States, and those who enable them to come and live here."And even that doesn't cover all the "brown people" false racial insinuations that are yours, NOT ours. NOT all hispanics are resented. And if so many legal hispanics weren't so pro- illegal, they would be viewed by more as fellow Americans, instead of as enemy enablers living inside our borders. It is not racism. It has everything to do with unAmerican hispanic ATTITUDES, NOT race. But you're a slandering sack of shit, so of course you'd try and frame it that way.
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Wonder Boy. On more than one occasion, you've ranted about how MEXICANS, not illegals, have more crime, more childbirths etc. etc. And how you prefer other races immigrating here because Mexicans are responsible for every conceivable social ill you can toss at them. So don't you come now trying to be Mr. "I only hate illegals", because frankly, I know it's bullshit. Oh wait, have you dated a Mexican? Because that might blow my argument out of the water  .
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http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070701_diversity.htm- Diversity Is Strength! It’s Also…Oh, Wait, Make That “Weakness”
By Steve Sailer
[Discussing a book/immigration-study by former Clinton official David Putnam, bending its conclusions about immigration to acquiesce to politically correct false notions about immigration: ]
Putnam ignores the obvious difference between elite immigration by, say, Enrico Fermi and Alfred Hitchcock, compared to illegal immigration. In contrast, the almost thirty million residents of America of Mexican origin have contributed remarkably little creativity to American culture and science. For example, although Mexicans are by far the biggest immigrant group, they don't even rank among the top 20 immigrant groups in the U.S. in terms of patents awarded.
But Putnam's third section -- "Becoming Comfortable with Diversity" -- is even worse. It mostly repeats the Ellis Island clichés about how the immigration of a century ago all worked out fine and dandy, so what's to worry about the new immigration "in the medium to long run?"
But how can the “medium to long run” arrive to overcome the negative effects of diversity if the government continues to keep the pedal to the metal on letting in low human capital immigrants?
Not surprisingly, Putnam only vaguely mentions the immigration restriction acts of 1921 and 1924 that played such a huge role.
Furthermore, I am tired of intellectuals in Boston, New York, and Washington D.C acting as if Mexicans in America are such an utter novelty that nobody could possibly have any indication of how they will turn out, so who can say they won't progress just like Italians and Jews?
Well, anybody in the Southwest can.
In reality, we've had sizable Hispanic communities in the United States since the 1840s, such as in the Upper Rio Grande River valley of New Mexico. That state has long been the most Hispanic in the nation.
So how is New Mexico doing after seven generations of Hispanic assimilation? On Meet the Press recently, Tim Russert gave New Mexico governor and Presidential candidate Bill Richardson an unfairly hard time that said less about the politician than about his constituents:
"They rank states in a whole variety of categories from one being the best, 50th being the worst. This is New Mexico’s scorecard, and you are the governor. Percent of people living below the poverty line, you’re 48. Percent of children below, 48. Median family income, 47. People without health insurance, 49. Children without health insurance, 46. Teen high school dropouts, 47. Death rate due to firearms, 48. Violent crime rate, 46."
Richardson has his faults. But not turning New Mexicans into Minnesotans isn't one of them.
Similarly, East Los Angeles has been heavily Mexican since the Mexican Revolution. PBS reported:
"Its present day population also has been one of the most entrenched and stable communities of the greater Los Angeles area over the past 50 to 75 years. East Los Angeles is … the largest Hispanic community in the United States."
East LA is not Detroit -- which the forest is partly retaking -- but hardly is it New Jersey, which the Ellis Island immigrants have made into one of the most successful states in the country.
Here's a good test of the chestnut that Mexican immigrants are going to turn out just like the old Jewish immigrants: Long ago, East LA had a Jewish immigrant community, which arrived about the same time as its Mexican immigrants. According to PBS, in East LA after WWI:
"In many instances, Jews and Mexicans went to school together, played sports together, traded with each other, and particularly among the left wing thinkers, met and organized together."
For some reason, though, eighty years later, the descendents of East LA's Jewish immigrants are living in Beverly Hills and Malibu, while the descendents of East LA's Mexican immigrants are in Van Nuys or still stuck in East LA.
In summary, the first rule of rationality when you find you are digging a hole for yourself is … stop digging.
Unfortunately, when it comes to immigration and diversity, that's not a rule that many of our Establishment intellectuals such as Putnam have figured out. Or care to.
Steve Sailer is founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute, and movie critic for The American Conservative. His website http://www.iSteve.blogspot.com features his daily blog.
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Wonder Boy. On more than one occasion, you've ranted about how MEXICANS, not illegals, have more crime, more childbirths etc. etc. And how you prefer other races immigrating here because Mexicans are responsible for every conceivable social ill you can toss at them. So don't you come now trying to be Mr. "I only hate illegals", because frankly, I know it's bullshit. Oh wait, have you dated a Mexican? Because that might blow my argument out of the water . More ad-hominem diversionary tactics on your part, to divert from the facts. As I said
NOT all hispanics are resented. And if so many legal hispanics weren't so pro-illegal, they would be viewed by more as fellow Americans, instead of as enemy enablers living inside our borders. It is not racism. It has everything to do with unAmerican hispanic ATTITUDES, *NOT* race.
But you're a slandering sack of shit, so of course you'd try and frame it that way.
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Wonder Boy. On more than one occasion, you've ranted about how MEXICANS, not illegals, have more crime, more childbirths etc. etc. And how you prefer other races immigrating here because Mexicans are responsible for every conceivable social ill you can toss at them. So don't you come now trying to be Mr. "I only hate illegals", because frankly, I know it's bullshit. Oh wait, have you dated a Mexican? Because that might blow my argument out of the water . More ad-hominem diversionary tactics on your part, to divert from the facts. As I said
NOT all hispanics are resented. And if so many legal hispanics weren't so pro-illegal, they would be viewed by more as fellow Americans, instead of as enemy enablers living inside our borders. It is not racism. It has everything to do with unAmerican hispanic ATTITUDES, *NOT* race.
But you're a slandering sack of shit, so of course you'd try and frame it that way.
yes, wondy. we already know for every ten racist or sexist or outright offensive comments you make you make one little backpeddle comment that you can pull out of your ass whenever challenged.
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yes, wondy. we already know for every ten racist or sexist or outright offensive comments you make you make one little backpeddle comment that you can pull out of your ass whenever challenged. In truth, I don't think I've made one overtly racist remark. The irony is, you and whomod have made one racist remark after another, that you've paraphrased me to say, in your lying weasel attempts to paint ME as a racist. And in doing so, you've proven yourselves to be the true racists here. In addition to being lying slanderous weasels, that is.
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yes, wondy. we already know for every ten racist or sexist or outright offensive comments you make you make one little backpeddle comment that you can pull out of your ass whenever challenged. In truth, I don't think I've made one overtly racist remark. The irony is, you and whomod have made one racist remark after another, that you've paraphrased me to say, in your lying weasel attempst to paint ME as a racist. And in doing so, you've proven yourselves to be the true racists here. In addition to being lying slanderous weasels, that is.  Must...resist...temptation
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wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. 
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wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. Not a South Park fan?
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wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. Not a South Park fan?  I'm sorry. I shouldn't laugh at dyslexia. But I just can't help it.
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wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. Not a South Park fan? I'm sorry. I shouldn't laugh at dyslexia. But I just can't help it. You're like a school girl with a crush.
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wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. The only way it ever comes across is when you paraphrase me, in which situation you always supply the racist phrases, not me. You're a very skilled liar, Ray. But you're still a liar. I've already deconstructed literally hundreds of such posts of yours. This is just more of the same.
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You're like a school girl with a crush. Well, I am concerned for you. If you can't even tell when Ray's making Halotarded statements towards WB rather than you, then you know things have taken a turn for the worse.
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You're like a school girl with a crush. Well, I am concerned for you. If you can't even tell when Ray's making Halotarded statements towards WB rather than you, then you know things have taken a turn for the worse. rationalizing
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wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. The only way it ever comes across is when you paraphrase me, in which situation you always supply the racist phrases, not me. You're a very skilled liar, Ray. But you're still a liar. I've already deconstructed literally hundreds of such posts of yours. This is just more of the same.
Whether looking at the Declaration, Constitution, the writings of the founding fathers, or the addresses of most of our Presidents up till the 1960s, and often beyond then, we are clearly a nation founded on Christianity and Biblical principles, particularly a contract government that mirrors the Old and New Testament contract between God and Man.
just because they had religious beliefs does not mean we're a christian nation. in fact they had enough smarts to realize that making it a christian nation would only help the kind of people like you who like to attack others for having different views. Whether one is a Christian or not, absolutely no one who is familiar with the beliefs and writings of the Constitution- and Declaration-signers would dispute for a second that the Creator/God referred to is the God of the Bible. that's not the same as endorsing religion. if you say "god damn it" are you just turning a phrase or actively trying to get your deity to damn something to the pits of hell? You can hate Christianity (which you clearly do, Ray) but you can't credibly deny who the Declaration and Constitution signers clearly gave reverence and priority to. i don't hate christianity. i hate christians like yourself who believe others are inferior for not sharing your beliefs. christians who are secure enough in their beliefs to respect those of others are fine in my book.
[quote=Ray said in a powerful voice] you have slipped up here and there and used the word "white." you specifically said on one thread that the problem with illegal immigration is that the white population was being overrun. You used the word white and scripted me to make a racist statement that I would never make. 10/9/07 When the immigrant population approaches or surpasses the percentage of native-born, I find that a rather alarming ratio..... The white population is actually declining at 100,000 per year, leaving the insanity in California for an America they recognize as the same culture they grew up in. see, that's where you slipped up. you had stuck with "native-born population" which would include whites blacks browns yellows reds, all the colors of the rainbow. but then you made it clear, that this is about white people being in the majority. "white population." those are your words. i didn't do some liberal mind trick or change things around. that's what you said. Time and again, I've said that immigrants, whether they come from Europe, Asia, Africa, or Latin America are welcome here, if they assimilate.  I don't believe that any group is racially inferior. (You, however, being a believer in Darwinian theories of evolution, as Hitler did, would eagerly embrace the idea of scientific racism). No, I don't. And believing in evolution because there is clear scientific evidence doesn't mean I think it needs to apply to evolved sentient creatures. If I believed one race was better than another I might say: 7/5/07 By "saying it was wrong", you simply give ammunition to those who want to attack America and its history, and more broadly, attack all of Western culture. (By cultures such as Latin America, and by China, and by Arab nations, whose corruption, slavery and brutality far exceeds ours. You give ammunition to inferior cultures to undermine ours). They don't see the subtleties, so contrary to your notions, it does undermine our entire culture, it advances their blanket condemnation of us, it rationalizes their terrorism and other backlashes at us. and if I thought one culture was inferior and needed to be absorbed into a superior culture in order to be deemed worthy I might say: Second of all, I said that Native American culture was still in the Stone Age when discovered by Europeans, had not even advanced to invention of the wheel when they first met Europeans.
I said that they were culturally inferior, *not* racially inferior. And that they've advanced greatly since through assimilation, and their descendants (myself included) enjoy a much better standard of living through assimilation with European colonists.
But that would be a dickhead thing to say. I mean what kind of asshole says that a people who were living lives of their choosing needed to be slaughtered and assimilated into another culture in order to be worthy of life. But as I've said many times, and you continue to slander me as if I didn't, some nationalities (by the barometer demographics of crime, prison population, drug arrests, gang activity, welfare use, and high-school dropout rates) don't assimilate as well as others for cultural reasons, not because of racial inferiority, as you slanderously allege. Then you're saying America is culturally inferior to Europe because we have poorer health, more crime, gun violence, drug use, etc? wow, I may have issues with our country but I don't think we're inferior. Why do you hate America? Hispanics from Mexico and other Caribbean/Central American countries don't assimilate as well as immigrants from China, India, South Korea, the Phillipines, South America and Europe.
Annual statistics gathered every year since 1965 manifest that. why the need to assimilate? If they don't then it limits the jobs they can get and the interactions they can have. Ultimately it only hurts them. If they did make Spanish the second official language like you fear then they would have to make English the official one. Right now we have no official language, so that would cement English. Also people who are bilingual have healthier brains and it can even delay the onset of alzheimers. If Reagan worked on his language skills instead of his fear mongering skills his final years might have been better. I advocate taking more immigrants from the nations that tend not to give us more criminals, more high-school dropouts, more welfare parasites, etc., and less immigration from the nations that don't statistically assimilate as well. racial profiling, huh? so some peoples are superior to others and better people in your mind? I bet your list of good nations is mostly white and your bad nations are mostly darker skinned. but no, you're not prejudiced or racist, you just think some people are superior to others. You will note that except for Europe, the others I list are not white.
Again: It's not about race, it's about ability to assimilate. you do realize that Europe is where white people come from. so you're really saying that all whites are good and you like some darker skinned people too. You constantly bring up white race and put the words in my mouth. I have not. The only exception is when I've compared black and white crime stistics, or similar racial demographic comparisons. it's funny because i already showed where you did talk about the white population. Our nation has a 200 year history as an english-speaking culture, and I've firsthand seen immigrants of many races assimilate to our culture. My family doctor is from India (and a Carl Barks fan!). your doc is "one of the good ones" huh? He doesn't shove any pesky indian things in your face as if he had a right to his own life. good for him! I met a female dentist recently who is a second-generation Korean American. a female, huh? bet you didn't like that because:
But when women demanded the same wages as men, that resulted in lowering wages for men, to the point that men could not be the sole wage-earner. Feminism also caused an increase in divorce and single-parent families.
And I like how you boil her down to her race and gender. interestingly you said he in the proper context of discusing the indian doctor, but had no real reason to say "female." it's like you find some novelty in it. Another Korean friend and former co-worker is a stockbroker.
One of my most pleasant early work experiences was working in a Chinese restaurant for 2 and a half years. I'm still in contact with them, almost 30 years later, long since they closed their restaurant and opened another business.
A Cuban friend I've known for 20-plus years who works as a convention promoter.
My friend from Argentina I mentioned previously.
All of these people, and many other foreign-born friends and co-workers I've known over the years, have a pride in this country and have fully assimilated. They aren't pushing for Spanish or any other language as a second U.S. national language. They all worked hard to learn it, and assimilated. 30 years? 20 years? I don't think I ever really considered your age but it makes sense. You do seem like a crotchety old man. And given the time frame and your bitching issues I have to wonder if maybe the love of your life wanted to pursue her own interests instead of become your housewife. Or maybe some black guy beat you out for a job and it was easier to blame liberalism than your own inferior nature (i do believe individuals can be inferior, especially idiots like yourself).
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wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. Not a South Park fan? i love south park. i was talking to wondy. Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up  P.S I knew that.
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Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up P.S I knew that. After I pointed it out to you...
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Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up P.S I knew that. After I pointed it out to you... Before that even. If you look back at how I've handled such acrimony in the past it's pretty obvious I knew he was kidding.
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Yes Halo, of course it's obvious.
Poor poor Halo.
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Actually he was serious, just not to me.
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Uh, yeah....Okay Halo. Whatever you say.
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You keep posting this alleged "gotcha" stuff, where you supposedly caught me saying racist stuff, but it's so obviously taken out of context by you. wow. i swear you live post to post. each post exists in its own little continuity. constantly rebooting all of reality so you can make up whatever truth you want. in one post you talk about the white population and then deny you ever said it even when i quote and link you. just wow. The only way it ever comes across is when you paraphrase me, in which situation you always supply the racist phrases, not me. You're a very skilled liar, Ray. But you're still a liar. I've already deconstructed literally hundreds of such posts of yours. This is just more of the same. You mean the last time you cut and pasted things I said out of context, and made wild assumptions of my alleged racism, which clearly wasn't there.
Whether looking at the Declaration, Constitution, the writings of the founding fathers, or the addresses of most of our Presidents up till the 1960s, and often beyond then, we are clearly a nation founded on Christianity and Biblical principles, particularly a contract government that mirrors the Old and New Testament contract between God and Man.
just because they had religious beliefs does not mean we're a christian nation. in fact they had enough smarts to realize that making it a christian nation would only help the kind of people like you who like to attack others for having different views. There is considerable evidence in the Declaration and the Constitution that we are a Christian nation. God is referenced 4 times in the Declaration of Independence, and as "in the yesr of our Lord" in the Constitution. If they did not want to include God, they just would have written the date. Their private writings explicitly state that the Bible was essential to U.S. education in schools. The founders' writings overwhelmingly also state the idea that it was the absence of Christian principles that caused previous attempts at Democracy to be doomed to failure from the start, and that the United States was likewise doomed to failure if it strayed from its Christian foundations. We are seeing the fracturing and fragmenting of our culture now, thanks to post-1960s liberalism, that is deliberately destroying nationalism, marriage, creating a revisionist history, and launching an all-out =assault on every last reference to Christianity, to prepare us to willingly give up our sovereignty and submit to a North American Union and globalism. Whether one is a Christian or not, absolutely no one who is familiar with the beliefs and writings of the Constitution- and Declaration-signers would dispute for a second that the Creator/God referred to is the God of the Bible. that's not the same as endorsing religion. if you say "god damn it" are you just turning a phrase or actively trying to get your deity to damn something to the pits of hell? I've quoted the founders on many occasions. As I said, they clearly intended Bible teaching in schools, and though not pushing any particular denomination of Christianity as a state religion, clearly intended Christian principles and the Bible itself to have an essential role in our democratic government. You can hate Christianity (which you clearly do, Ray) but you can't credibly deny who the Declaration and Constitution signers clearly gave reverence and priority to. i don't hate christianity. i hate christians like yourself who believe others are inferior for not sharing your beliefs. christians who are secure enough in their beliefs to respect those of others are fine in my book. No, you clearly hate Christianity, and falsely blame it for all the world's evils, as is evident in topic after topic you've started here over the last 5 years. Remember when you said Hitler was a Christian? I disproved that with documented statistics of Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah witneses and others who were imprisoned by the Nazis. And the well documented plans Hitler had to use a Nazified version of Christianity for a period, before completely removing Christianity from Europe entirely. Basically, anyone who doesn't ignore what the Bible actually says, and expresses strong support for the Bible, and in the case of the U.S., anyone who wishes to preserve memory of the historic Christian foundations of our government, is labelled as "hateful" by you, for not having a flaccid and completely passive view of Christanity, and the Christian right to press for political representation of their interests and beliefs as every other political group does, working to preserve the nation's Christian heritage. you have slipped up here and there and used the word "white." you specifically said on one thread that the problem with illegal immigration is that the white population was being overrun. You used the word white and scripted me to make a racist statement that I would never make. 10/9/07 When the immigrant population approaches or surpasses the percentage of native-born, I find that a rather alarming ratio..... The white population is actually declining at 100,000 per year, leaving the insanity in California for an America they recognize as the same culture they grew up in. see, that's where you slipped up. you had stuck with "native-born population" which would include whites blacks browns yellows reds, all the colors of the rainbow. but then you made it clear, that this is about white people being in the majority. "white population." those are your words. i didn't do some liberal mind trick or change things around. that's what you said. You omitted the part where I said that, along with the white majority that's leaving California at a rate of about 100,000 a year, I also said that the black middle class is leaving with them. Because they are tired of being overwhelmed by spanish-speaking illegals, and even though Californians voted in an overwhelming 59% majority (Proposition 187) that majority-supported law was overturned, and they're forced to pay higher taxes to pay benefits for illegals who aren't even legal taxpaying citizens. So they're (whites and blacks) leaving for other states that aren't overwhelmed by illegals, that aren't overwhelmed by hispanic gangs, that don't have schools inundated by spanish-only illegal children, that don't have hospitals bankrupted and declining in care due to unpaid medical bills of illegal Mexicans. You omitted (deceitfully) the part where I answered previously, that I listed whites as one demographic group (being the clear pre-eminent majority of the english-speaking U.S. population), and that I also listed blacks as one of those mainstream American groups that is leaving California along with whites. Time and again, I've said that immigrants, whether they come from Europe, Asia, Africa, or Latin America are welcome here, if they assimilate. I don't believe that any group is racially inferior. (You, however, being a believer in Darwinian theories of evolution, as Hitler did, would eagerly embrace the idea of scientific racism). No, I don't. And believing in evolution because there is clear scientific evidence doesn't mean I think it needs to apply to evolved sentient creatures. If I believed one race was better than another I might say: 7/5/07 By "saying it was wrong", you simply give ammunition to those who want to attack America and its history, and more broadly, attack all of Western culture. (By cultures such as Latin America, and by China, and by Arab nations, whose corruption, slavery and brutality far exceeds ours. You give ammunition to inferior cultures to undermine ours). They don't see the subtleties, so contrary to your notions, it does undermine our entire culture, it advances their blanket condemnation of us, it rationalizes their terrorism and other backlashes at us. That's more of your deceit, Ray. There's a difference between an inferior race and an inferior culture. The cultures in the other nations I listed are corrupt and brutal, to the point that they don't have any moral high ground to criticize the United States or Europe. However, they are NOT racially inferior, as you falsely imply me to say. As I said, statistically, when immigrants from other regions of the world are given the ability to assimilate within a superior western culture, where their old culture does not overwhelm the western nation with the corruptions that existed in the nation they left, then they assimilate and become very educated and productive citizens. That's just as true of immigrants from Europe. I know people from places like Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia, who came here to get a way from conflicts in their home countries. But if they had huge populations in the U.S., those old vendettas might re-appear here. I know Arabs and Jews who date here, which would be a blood offense in their native countries. and if I thought one culture was inferior and needed to be absorbed into a superior culture in order to be deemed worthy I might say: Second of all, I said that Native American culture was still in the Stone Age when discovered by Europeans, had not even advanced to invention of the wheel when they first met Europeans.
I said that they were culturally inferior, *not* racially inferior. And that they've advanced greatly since through assimilation, and their descendants (myself included) enjoy a much better standard of living through assimilation with European colonists.
But that would be a dickhead thing to say. I mean what kind of asshole says that a people who were living lives of their choosing needed to be slaughtered and assimilated into another culture in order to be worthy of life. Someone who sees that, yes, native americans were living in the Stone Age[/b] prior to contact with Europeans, were engaged in bloody tribal warfare, near starvation, involved frequently in cannibalism and human sacrifice? These are facts, which you are clearly in denial about, in your eagerness to demonize your own nation and people falsely. But as I've said many times, and you continue to slander me as if I didn't, some nationalities (by the barometer-demographics of crime, prison population, drug arrests, gang activity, welfare use, and high-school dropout rates) don't assimilate as well as others for cultural reasons, not because of racial inferiority, as you slanderously allege. Then you're saying America is culturally inferior to Europe because we have poorer health, more crime, gun violence, drug use, etc? wow, I may have issues with our country but I don't think we're inferior. Why do you hate America? Arguably we have a better health care system than Europe or Canada, because their government-run healthcare systems are inefficienct and very high priced, and their care is rationed, to the point that the wealthier citizens of these nations come to the United States and pay out-of-pocket for their care to get medical care in a timely manner, when needed. The advantage of their nationalized/rationed health care systems of Canada and Europe are their proximity to the United States, where they can bypass their own beaurocratic rationed-care systemsfor immediate care in the United States, if needed. Holland (with legalized drugs) has roughly triple the number of drug addicts as the United States. The example of Holland and other European nations is the argument for the U.S. *NOT* legalizing drugs. The rise in crime in the U.S. coincides perfectly with the escalation of immigration, both legal and illegal. More illiterates, more crime. Hispanics from Mexico and other Caribbean/Central American countries don't assimilate as well as immigrants from China, India, South Korea, the Phillipines, South America and Europe.
Annual statistics gathered every year since 1965 manifest that. why the need to assimilate? If they don't then it limits the jobs they can get and the interactions they can have. Ultimately it only hurts them. If they did make Spanish the second official language like you fear then they would have to make English the official one. Right now we have no official language, so that would cement English. Also people who are bilingual have healthier brains and it can even delay the onset of alzheimers. If Reagan worked on his language skills instead of his fear mongering skills his final years might have been better. No. Despite your liberal-partisan false assumptions, it does hurt us when aliens don't assimilate. It costs money to arrest and jail them for crimes they commit. It costs money to pay for the births and education of their children, when they show up at our hospitals and schools and get free services they don't pay taxes for. It costs money for their welfare, when illegal women come into the U.S. and give birth to "anchor babies", exploiting a legal loophole that gives the entire extended family access to welfare benefits. It costs money for the drug trafficking and gang activity they engage in, and the crime, violence, and insurance losses to private citizens and businesses that results in. Your assumptions about Spanish as a second language are totally false. Adopting spanish as a second U.S. language would be one step closer to a Quebec-like separatist "Aztlan", not one step closer to a more unified U.S. I advocate taking more immigrants from the nations that tend not to give us more criminals, more high-school dropouts, more welfare parasites, etc., and less immigration from the nations that don't statistically assimilate as well. racial profiling, huh? so some peoples are superior to others and better people in your mind? I bet your list of good nations is mostly white and your bad nations are mostly darker skinned. but no, you're not prejudiced or racist, you just think some people are superior to others. As I said in the porevious topic (and you selectively omitted here), my list includes Korea, Japan, The Phillipines, China, Africa, Europe and South America. Pretty much every group of nations except Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. Another one of your slanderous assumptions shot to hell by the truth, Ray. You will note that except for Europe, the others I list are not white.
Again: It's not about race, it's about ability to assimilate. you do realize that Europe is where white people come from. so you're really saying that all whites are good and you like some darker skinned people too. As I said answering your previous slander above (an answer you again selectively omitted), I pretty much include every racial group as potentially good U.S. citizens, distancing only Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean being the lowest statistical performers. But in many other topics, I've acknowledged that there are productive citizens from these regions too, just that they should be allowed entry more selectively, since they statistically have more non-performers. You constantly bring up white race and put the words in my mouth. I have not. The only exception is when I've compared black and white crime stistics, or similar racial demographic comparisons. it's funny because i already showed where you did talk about the white population. Wow, what incredible distortion on your part, Ray. I only used the word "white" to mention demographics of how white Americans, along with middle-class black Americans, are leaving California because of their distaste for rampant Mexican immigration in California, to the point that their state now feels more like Mexico than the United States. That they are tired of paying higher taxes to pay for a wide range of welfare and social benefits for illegals who don't even pay taxes. That is addressing a social problem, that you have slandered me-- yet again!!-- to have made racial remarks, when in truth I just addressed a social and national sovereignty issue. Our nation has a 200 year history as an english-speaking culture, and I've firsthand seen immigrants of many races assimilate to our culture. My family doctor is from India (and a Carl Barks fan!). your doc is "one of the good ones" huh? He doesn't shove any pesky indian things in your face as if he had a right to his own life. good for him! How very racist of you, Ray. Again: your racism, not mine. I met a female dentist recently who is a second-generation Korean American. a female, huh? bet you didn't like that because:
But when women demanded the same wages as men, that resulted in lowering wages for men, to the point that men could not be the sole wage-earner. Feminism also caused an increase in divorce and single-parent families.
My regular dentist is a man, and his wife and business associate is also a dentist. When she had children, she dropped to part-time work so she could be a mother to her children. As I said, a lot of conservative women have home-based businesses and other work that allows them to have a career but still have children and be good mothers to their children. As opposed to career women who put a priority on their careers and hire strangers to take care of their children. It is not women I "hate" (as you falsely allege). It is radical feminist ideals that make women have a contempt for being stay-at-home moms, avoid raising their own children in selfish pursuit of career and materialism, or often makes women avoid even having children AT ALL. As I said, there's something deeply sick about a society that chooses not to have children at even replacement levels. And that no western nation is reproducing at population-replacement levels is a result of liberal-indoctrinated ideas of "overpopulation" and radical feminism. The rest of the world is reproducing at the same rate they were in 1960, while the U.S., Canada, Europe, Russia, and Japan are now dying. That is the fruit of liberalism and its environmentalist and radical feminist branches.
And I like how you boil her down to her race and gender.
interestingly you said he in the proper context of discusing the indian doctor, but had no real reason to say "female." it's like you find some novelty in it.
Again, YOUR hateful racist assumptions, NOT mine. I mentioned "female" simply because, quite frankly, I thought she was beautiful and a prospective girlfriend. Another Korean friend and former co-worker is a stockbroker.
One of my most pleasant early work experiences was working in a Chinese restaurant for 2 and a half years. I'm still in contact with them, almost 30 years later, long since they closed their restaurant and opened another business.
A Cuban friend I've known for 20-plus years who works as a convention promoter.
My friend from Argentina I mentioned previously.
All of these people, and many other foreign-born friends and co-workers I've known over the years, have a pride in this country and have fully assimilated. They aren't pushing for Spanish or any other language as a second U.S. national language. They all worked hard to learn it, and assimilated. 30 years? 20 years? I don't think I ever really considered your age but it makes sense. You do seem like a crotchety old man. As I've said repeatedly, I'm 44. I don't consider that particularly old. And I've dated women as young as 23 in the last 2 years. So obviously women don't find me unattractively old either. One was my 23-year-old office co-worker's best friend. She set me up on a blind date with her best friend, and it went quite well. Although generally I prefer women within 10 years of my own age.
And given the time frame and your bitching issues I have to wonder if maybe the love of your life wanted to pursue her own interests instead of become your housewife. Or maybe some black guy beat you out for a job and it was easier to blame liberalism than your own inferior nature (i do believe individuals can be inferior, especially idiots like yourself).
More of your trollish assumptions, based on absolutely nothing. I have several degrees and a glowing resume. One employer told me that when he checked my references, he was impresed by how favorable the opinions of my former employers were. My Phillipine girlfriend actually wanted to be a housewife (I described her once to a friend of mine as an asian Donna Reed), but she was in a hurry to get married, and my timetable was about a year further out than hers. She worked as a cook and housekeeper for a wealthy family, but who treated her badly (low pay, long hours) as an employee, and so after 8 years there, she was eager to leave. She temporarily moved to Virginia for two months, then met some guy when she got back to Florida and married him within weeks of meeting him. In my conversations with her since, she clearly is unhappy in the marriage and regrets it. She says they argue a lot. I care about her deeply, and she feels the same way, which is why despite my feelings for her I don't keep in contact. I wouldn't want to be responsible for breaking up her marriage.
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You keep posting this alleged "gotcha" stuff, where you supposedly caught me saying racist stuff, but it's so obviously taken out of context by you. 10/9/07 When the immigrant population approaches or surpasses the percentage of native-born, I find that a rather alarming ratio..... The white population is actually declining at 100,000 per year, leaving the insanity in California for an America they recognize as the same culture they grew up in. see, that's where you slipped up. you had stuck with "native-born population" which would include whites blacks browns yellows reds, all the colors of the rainbow. but then you made it clear, that this is about white people being in the majority. "white population." those are your words. i didn't do some liberal mind trick or change things around. that's what you said. You omitted the part where I said that, along with the white majority that's leaving California at a rate of about 100,000 a year, I also said that the black middle class is leaving with them. [/quote] here is the WHOLE post:
To a degree, I find it exciting. It is only when it exceeds a certain ratio of the population that I find unpleasant and a threat to American sovereignty and culture.
Someone who speaks spanish doesn't offend me.
Someone who wants to make spanish the second language of the U.S. does.
I'd already prepared a long response to that comment but now I don't feel like posting it because it's pretty heated and right now I'm not really in the mood. Do you want to hear it? Because frankly I found that comment to be typical as well as racist. When the immigrant population approaches or surpasses the percentage of native-born, I find that a rather alarming ratio. And at that point, I wonder whether the immigrants are assimilating to our English-rooted European culture, or whether we are assimilating to theirs. In Broward County the ratio of immigrants is now over 50%. I'm sure it exceeds that in places like L.A. and Miami. The same is true in London (the numbers and attitude of which has inspired a book titled Londonistan). For someone to not find that ratio alarming, they cannot put much worth in our national identity. It is nothing less than cultural suicide. Whether you're talking about 50-plus percent Russian, or 50-plus percent Indian, or 50-plus percent Mexican, it isn't about racism, it's about what we are as a nation, and the threat of non-assimilation those high numbers persent. Even in colonial times, "racists" like Franklin and Washington were concerned about too many Germans entering the country, and among those permitted to enter the U.S., steps were taken to insure they were spread out among the U.S. population, so they would assimilate, and not pose any threat of becoming a separate pocket of German culture in America. Compare this with Mexican immigration in California and the U.S. Southwestern states. The white population is actually declining at 100,000 per year, leaving the insanity in California for an America they recognize as the same culture they grew up in. As the Mexican population continues to soar. Every year, California looks less and less like the rest of America, and its voters become increasingly less interested in securing our borders, and more interested in creating a welfare state. In the 1990's boom period, when imcomes rose for the rest of the U.S., median incomes declined by 8% in fifteen border counties of California, specifically due to Mexican immigration, and the lower wages that so many immigrants (legal and illegal) caused. nowhere do you mention the black middle class. Again, I quote exactly what you say and you accuse me of lying for not capturing your "intent" or what you said later on while backpeddling. This is the exact post. You talk about the white population and that's it. I'm not looking up the others. This is silly and you're clearly not mentally sound to have a discussion of any sort.
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nowhere do you mention the black middle class.
Ray slanderously OMITTED: 11/27/2007All I did was list a specific example where whites were fleeing California, as one demographic sample of how excessive immigration is displacing real Americans. Real Americans in California who include the black middle class as well, and probably other upper-middle-class minorities, who began to flee after proposition 187 was overturned by a circuit judge, overturning the will of the majority of California voters, who voted to end welfare and other benefits for illegal aliens. It was at this point that financially able whites and blacks began leaving the state in scorn for a policy they voted overwhelmingly to eliminate. Again you spin this my wanting to have a "racist all-white America", despite my clearly favoring immigration of all races who assimilate into our society, and nations who, based on 40 years of immigration demographics don't end up in high ratios on welfare, in prison, as hig-school dropouts, and otherwise sponging off our society. Again, the nations I've cited include India, China, South Korea and the Phillipines. Hardly what I would advocate if I were the white racist supremacist you allege. So it's another attempt on your part to smear and misrepresent me. So.. Ray slanders... and fails... again.
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nowhere do you mention the black middle class.
Ray slanderously OMITTED: 11/27/2007All I did was list a specific example where whites were fleeing California, as one demographic sample of how excessive immigration is displacing real Americans. Real Americans in California who include the black middle class as well, and probably other upper-middle-class minorities, who began to flee after proposition 187 was overturned by a circuit judge, overturning the will of the majority of California voters, who voted to end welfare and other benefits for illegal aliens. It was at this point that financially able whites and blacks began leaving the state in scorn for a policy they voted overwhelmingly to eliminate. Again you spin this my wanting to have a "racist all-white America", despite my clearly favoring immigration of all races who assimilate into our society, and nations who, based on 40 years of immigration demographics don't end up in high ratios on welfare, in prison, as hig-school dropouts, and otherwise sponging off our society. Again, the nations I've cited include India, China, South Korea and the Phillipines. Hardly what I would advocate if I were the white racist supremacist you allege. So it's another attempt on your part to smear and misrepresent me. So.. Ray slanders... and fails... again. wow. in the post i quoted you talk only about whites. now you're arguing that because a month later, after a month of me saying you were racist for talking about the white population, you posted something about the black middle class. and that makes me a slanderous weasely liar? wow. you really are nuts.
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The entire 1/3rd of a web page devoted to one long assed post?
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wow. in the post i quoted you talk only about whites. now you're arguing that because a month later, after a month of me saying you were racist for talking about the white population, you posted something about the black middle class. and that makes me a slanderous weasely liar?
wow. you really are nuts.
Why rush to answer yet another repeat of a slander I've answered in at least 100 previous posts? My views are clear enough the FIRST hundred times I responded to your slander. I never said anything racist. You keep making racist remarks, and paraphrasing me to have allegedly said them (i.e., you're a lying sack of shit). You think repeating a disproven false allegation makes it any more true? You're just being a lying sack of shit, just like always. Very little of what you post is worth responding to at all.
- from Do Racists have lower IQ's...
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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wow. in the post i quoted you talk only about whites. now you're arguing that because a month later, after a month of me saying you were racist for talking about the white population, you posted something about the black middle class. and that makes me a slanderous weasely liar?
wow. you really are nuts.
Why rush to answer yet another repeat of a slander I've answered in at least 100 previous posts? My views are clear enough the FIRST hundred times I responded to your slander. I never said anything racist. You keep making racist remarks, and paraphrasing me to have allegedly said them (i.e., you're a lying sack of shit). wow, you really are just disconnected from reality. it's one thing to argue, it's another to argue based on a false point repeatedly. As I showed, the racist comment (you saying "white population") is in your post. You said you mentioned the black middle class as well, I showed the whole post and you didn't. Then you showed a post from a month later as proof that it was said in the initial post. wow. You think repeating a disproven false allegation makes it any more true? Please scroll up and re-read it all. It's in English for your benefit. Try comprehending what's being said and what is going on. Maybe ask a smart friend to help you. Then get a dictionary, or go to dictionary.com, and look up "slander" "disproven" "false" "allegation" "ad hominem" and "ironic." You're just being a lying sack of shit, just like always. Very little of what you post is worth responding to at all.
That's not too bad though, because NONE of what you post is worth responding to.
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But he dated a black girl once!
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But he dated a black girl once! That actually sounds kind of sinister.
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wow. in the post i quoted you talk only about whites. now you're arguing that because a month later, after a month of me saying you were racist for talking about the white population, you posted something about the black middle class. and that makes me a slanderous weasely liar?
wow. you really are nuts.
Why rush to answer yet another repeat of a slander I've answered in at least 100 previous posts? My views are clear enough the FIRST hundred times I responded to your slander. I never said anything racist. You keep making racist remarks, and paraphrasing me to have allegedly said them (i.e., you're a lying sack of shit). wow, you really are just disconnected from reality. it's one thing to argue, it's another to argue based on a false point repeatedly. As I showed, the racist comment (you saying "white population") is in your post. You said you mentioned the black middle class as well, I showed the whole post and you didn't. Then you showed a post from a month later as proof that it was said in the initial post. wow. Wow. YOU'RE the one who lies repeatedly, and then you turn it around and allege that I'M the liar? I simply mentioned "white Americans leaving California", and middle class blacks as well leaving California, as a demographic sampling that combined represent about 80% of Americans. If 100,000 whites are leaving California per year, they can't all be racists. Which is precisely my point, they're voting with their feet that there is a serious immigration problem in California, and that they no longer want to deal with the taxes to subsidize illegals (that they voted to stop with Proposition 187), the gangs, the crime, the declining schools due to the ratio of students who don't speak english, and feeling like aliens in their own country. Wow. When Whomod constantly posts demographics about "hispanic Americans" you must REALLY think he's a racist. If you had any uniform standard for your slanderous antagonisms. Which you don't. Because you're a lying sack of shit. You think repeating a disproven false allegation makes it any more true? Please scroll up and re-read it all. It's in English for your benefit. Try comprehending what's being said and what is going on. Maybe ask a smart friend to help you. Then get a dictionary, or go to dictionary.com, and look up "slander" "disproven" "false" "allegation" "ad hominem" and "ironic." Again you repeat the lie. Your insults are not facts. I mentioned two large demographic groups that are leaving California in droves because they are tired of paying taxes to support illegals, and legal immigration out of control. Period. The end. Not racism. It's not Mexicans even that is making them leave, but the OVERWHELMING FLOOD of hispanic immigrants, that is declining the quality of life for them, to the point that they are moving elsewhere. 100,000 white Californians can't all be racist. There are clearly other deeper social and economic reasons for their exodus. You're just being a lying sack of shit, just like always. Very little of what you post is worth responding to at all.
That's not too bad though, because NONE of what you post is worth responding to. So why are you responding? You have a burning need to slander those who disagree with you. I present an issue, and rather than address the issue, you just falsely slander over and over, "you're a racist". Mentioning statistical demographics regarding blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, Arabs, native Americans, or whoever, is not inherently racist. Except to slandering liberal fucks like you. If we can't discuss the problems particular to racial, social or economic demographic groups, then we can't truly discuss the problems that face those groups, or our larger society as a whole. Your slanderous antagonism, and constantly raising the allegation of "you're a racist, you're a racist" is just spiteful defamation, constantly raising an allegation you KNOW to be false. It is the consistent liberal tactic, in their holy war on progress. To prevent the real issues from even being discussed, and to rally minorities to their side with fear tactics. Or more pointedly, you're a lying sack of shit.
- from Do Racists have lower IQ's...
Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.
EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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