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That's # 11.

Keep going G-man, you're doing good!

I believe number 8 should read J. Perkins.

FLORIDA GOV SHINES ON MCCAIN: As underdog Rudy Giuliani tried to rally Florida supporters yesterday, the state's governor Charlie Crist dealt him a blow by endorsing rival Republican John McCain.

The bottom line is that, yeah, if he's the Republican nominee I will vote for him. I disagree with him in some areas, but not nearly as much as I disagree with Hillary or Obama. And I respect McCain as a leader and hard worker.

I like McCain overall better than Romney if, for no other reason, even if you disagree with McCain he comes off as a straight shooter. I would vote for Romney over Clinton or Obama but if Richardson had been the nominee I might have voted for him over Romney.

On the other hand, if Huckabee's the GOP nominee I won't vote for him no matter WHO the Democrats nominate. I'd probably not vote at all or, in the alternative, write in "Peter J. Pappas" just for the hell of it.

cool!

I won't. I refuse to give the idea to people that I'm willing to settle for less than a conservative just to get rid of a liberal. At least Obama is consistent.

If it comes to McCain v. Obama, I'll re-classify and vote Obama.

If it comes to McCain v. Clinton, then I'll hold my nose and vote McCain.

Obama is gonna legalize Immigrants. Can you live with that Pariah!

McCain isn't gonna do much different for fuck's sakes!

Then they are gonna take your jobs and asian porn!

Exactly....And you don't care.

and asian porn!

I thought of Pariah when I read this article:

• McCain doesn't Speak for Me
  
  
  These four states ( NH, SC, MI, FL ) have combined their native liberal populism with an imported liberal electorate and have forced the GOP to accept a nominee so distasteful that in more than one poll -- the numbers of voters choosing not to vote and those choosing to vote third party actually exceed those who will hold their nose and vote for Maverick, War Hero, Amnesty Supporter, John McCain.

Some of the hyperbolic metaphors are a bit too bombastic and annoying for me ("new axis of evil", "nuclear option", etc.) but this part I agree with:

• it's time for the GOP to front-load the whole freaking process into one date. Make every state vote on exactly the same day. Make every candidate compete in EVERY state at the exact same time and hold every single GOP primary and caucus on Super Tuesday. When NH and IOWA complain, take a page from the Democrats and refuse to seat their delegates, or better yet, declare renegade states as straw polls.

It really annoys me that, in both parties, early primaries in states like Iowa and New Hampshire, which are not representative of the nation as a whole, create front runners with a tiny fraction of 1% of the population, and actually turn the tide in later states that would otherwise vote for the candidate they truly support, instead of abandoning their true candidate who did poorly, or pragmatically abandoning their true choice for a perceived front runner.

Iowa especially made me sick. The Democrat and Republican voters combined didn't equal 200,000. The total Iowa primary voters were less than the population of my home city, let alone representative of the entire nation. And yet they early on determined Huckabee and Obama as front runners, and changed the outcome of many other states.

I think it's a great idea to have all 50 states do their primary elections the same day. It would eliminate the speculator mentality, and compel people to vote for the candidate they truly support.

I think you are gonna have to face facts that just as the way-liberal left is dieing so is the way-right conservative part of the Republican party. The Conservatism that you know from years ago (Neo Cons included) is dead. Long Live the Moderates!

I see. Fair enough.



There's a Donald Duck Party in Sweden, which was created for similar reasons. The Pirate Party, though, is a "serious" party for those who want to download for free.

With she-males!

What was the issue again?

The "way-left liberal" isn't dying. It is, in fact, what's killing off conservatism through every medium.

That's a rather intolerant attitude.

Why do you hate shemales so much Cap? Homophobic?

The moderates are bureaucrats who strangle us in laws and legislation, and empty posturing, but never get anything done. Nothing changes in a moderate government. And Washington is a log-jam that requires radical reform, not more moderate status-quo.
The McCain/Feingold bill is the moderates in action.
No-child-left-behind is moderates in action.
The current 150-billion-dollar joke of a stimulus package is an example of moderates in action.
All examples of politically-correct moderate/bipartisan compromise, that arguably complicate and worsen policy, rather than correct it.



I disagree with the fact that Reagan/Goldwater type conservatism is dead. It clearly is what every Republican candidate is exalting and selling himself as.
The only problem is whether Republican candidates credibly measure up to that standard.

I welcome the departure of the NeoCons (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney). They had a brief period where they could have proved their effectiveness, and they failed miserably. To me, the NeoCons have been a dead movement since Nov 2006.



I also disagree that the "way-liberal Left" is dying.
Far from it, through the internet and pundits of the liberal media, they are spreading mythical lies with such prevalence that they are undermining national pride and patriotism, and tearing this nation apart, against every attempt to unite us in action against forces that threaten our sovereignty and national economic solvency, at a time of crisis when we desperately need to rally together.

Islamic terror, the falling dollar, national identity and defense of our history and culture, border defense, illegal immigration, exporting jobs... in every area, we need to take strong action, even as liberals slander anyone who would do so as "racist" and "xenophobic".

i despise legitlation.

Typo. My bad.

The examples I gave of bad legislation are clear enough, though.

still. i despise legitlation.

Though I'll agree that it isn't dying, I'll disagree that the leftist liberal end is winning through the media. Nothing about the media has changed since before Bush was reelected, and if the media didn't win anything then, it ain't winning it now.

the Media is about money. I think there the majority of celebrities are liberal only because creative people tend to be more liberal than conservative.
but the news, and the media as a whole is driven by a bias for money. I remember a few years ago that CNN and MSNBC were trying to hire some conservative commentators to host shows after the huge ratings success of Fox. It had nothing to do with an idealogical battle, it had to do with money.

Well, would you agree that all of the Republican candidates right now are of considerably weaker conservative principles than the candidates were say 10 to 15 years ago?

Not Ron Paul.

Serious question - I seem to be hearing a lot of anti-McCain rhetoric from Republicans and conservatives, from the everyday folk I interact with to people like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. Yet McCain's already racked up a decent number of states in the primary race, and it looks like he might be Abel to win the Republican nomination. Since only Republicans can be voting for McCain in a primary, how do our local conservatives/Republicans who don't like McCain explain why so many Republicans are choosing him? What do you think they see in him?

Depends upon the state. McCain won New Hampshire because it was open to everyone; and he got a lot of independents who voted for him. Personally, I'd prefer to of had the 2000 John McCain as the Rep. nom. But damn Geoff Johns and his screwing around with characters!

Ah. My bad.



RET

I don't mind transsexuals. (I might - hypothetically speaking - even date one, if the operation was successful and I couldn't tell if she had been a man before.* Not as transsexuals looks like trannies, y'know.) But I'm not found of half-finished jobs of any kind, I have no interest in watching porn with she-males, and I simply don't get why someone who claim to be heterosexual would like to watch such porn.

I'm not sure if 'homophobic' is the correct word, BTW. Transsexuality has nothing to do with being homo- or bisexual, you can be either of those or heterosexual while being transsexual.

How I know all this? Blame the Liberal Media and the Socialist Education System of Sweden.

*I guess this will be quoted and haunt me for the rest of my life, as long as I'm a member of this forum. But I want to be honest on this.

Depends on what you mean with "conservative principles". I find McCain closer to Edmund Burke than Bush Jr ever was.

So you can't use a modern definition of the term "conservative," so you rely on an older version to dodge my point.

New York Post

• Leadership and experience count.
  
  Exit polls of Republican voters yesterday showed Sen. John McCain ran strongest with voters who cared about a candidate's leadership qualities.
  
  And he slightly led Mitt Romney among those who said issues - the economy, terrorism and the war in Iraq - were more important.
  
  In coast-to-coast primary elections last night, McCain grabbed independents and, significantly, mainstream Republicans looking for an experienced candidate.
  
  Mitt Romney continued his attraction with conservatives - and two groups in particular: those who favor deporting illegal immigrants and hawks on the war in Iraq.
  
  Exit polls showed McCain picking up support among party regulars, making for a virtual tie between him and Romney for voters calling themselves Republican.
  
  The Associated Press' exit polling in early states found they each received 40 percent of that group.

when John McCain was in that cage in Vietnam, do you think he jerked off? Or did he wait until he was rescued to have like a power jerk off session when he got home?
Personally, I wouldn't wait. Because you could die any day, and why die with a backlog.

But what modern Conservatism? Christian Democracy (common in Europe)? Liberal-Conservatism? Social Conservatism? Neo-Conservatism?

You've just shot your point in the foot dude.

points are ideas and therefore do not have feet.

Aye, Pariah has indeed met with de-feet.