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I see, so to you, sending a "peace keeping force" as part of a United Nations to-do constitutes an invasion?
You are an idiot. We sent in 2300 Marines as a peacekeeping force into Liberia, and there were concerns (of a number of Washington and Pentagon leaders) of possible deaths of Americans in that conflict. 2300 Marines is more than half the total number of U.S. soldiers who have died in 5 years. Similar actions included Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. You're an idiot for not acknowledging commitment of resources, and the potential risk, any time U.S. forces are deployed. And that it was a deployment of U.S. forces for a nation that doesn't have oil resources to exploit. Who said anything about risk? That still doesn't make it an invasion and still doesn't change the fact that the U.S never had the hard for N.Korea or Liberia (if it makes you feel better) that it had for Iran and Iraq. Nice try WB.
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I see, so to you, sending a "peace keeping force" as part of a United Nations to-do constitutes an invasion?
You are an idiot. We sent in 2300 Marines as a peacekeeping force into Liberia, and there were concerns (of a number of Washington and Pentagon leaders) of possible deaths of Americans in that conflict. 2300 Marines is more than half the total number of U.S. soldiers who have died in 5 years. Similar actions included Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. You're an idiot for not acknowledging commitment of resources, and the potential risk, any time U.S. forces are deployed. And that it was a deployment of U.S. forces for a nation that doesn't have oil resources to exploit. Who said anything about risk? That still doesn't make it an invasion and still doesn't change the fact that the U.S never had the hard for N.Korea or Liberia (if it makes you feel better) that it had for Iran and Iraq. Nice try WB. A rose by any other name. It's a military police action, however you'd like to spin it otherwise. With a considerable force of 2300 Marines deployed to Liberia. Iraq and Iran are central to the entire Middle East, and expansion from either of those nations (closing off shipping in the Persian Gulf) could bottle up virtually the entire global oil supply, in addition to allow invasions of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain... in short, every ally the West has in the Middle East. But again: even though we have priority interests in the Persian Gulf, we also conducted military actions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti, Somalia and Liberia, for both (1) humanitarian reasons, and (2) to prevent the conflicts from expanding to include more nations in a larger regional war.
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I see, so to you, sending a "peace keeping force" as part of a United Nations to-do constitutes an invasion?
You are an idiot. We sent in 2300 Marines as a peacekeeping force into Liberia, and there were concerns (of a number of Washington and Pentagon leaders) of possible deaths of Americans in that conflict. 2300 Marines is more than half the total number of U.S. soldiers who have died in 5 years. Similar actions included Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. You're an idiot for not acknowledging commitment of resources, and the potential risk, any time U.S. forces are deployed. And that it was a deployment of U.S. forces for a nation that doesn't have oil resources to exploit. Who said anything about risk? That still doesn't make it an invasion and still doesn't change the fact that the U.S never had the hard for N.Korea or Liberia (if it makes you feel better) that it had for Iran and Iraq. Nice try WB. A rose by any other name. It's a military police action, however you'd like to spin it otherwise. With a considerable force of 2300 Marines deployed to Liberia. Iraq and Iran are central to the entire Middle East, and expansion from either of those nations (closing off shipping in the Persian Gulf) could bottle up virtually the entire global oil supply, in addition to allow invasions of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait... in short, every ally the West has in the Middle East. But again: even though we have priority interests in the Persian Gulf, we also conducted military actions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti, Somalia and Liberia, for both (1) humanitarian reasons, and (2) to prevent the conflicts from expanding to include more nations in a larger regional war. Yeah, the only diffrence between an invasion and a peace keeping mission is a name. Give me a break. Anyway, as the articles you and G-man posted have proven N.Korea is just as dangerous as Iraq and Iran. Only diffrence is oil. But you already knew that "and expansion from either of those nations (closing off shipping in the Persian Gulf) could bottle up virtually the entire global oil supply".
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Nearly half of the nation's children under 5 are racial or ethnic minorities, and the percentage is increasing mainly because the Hispanic population is growing so rapidly.
Do your duty. Make more babies... half of the kids in this country under five years old are minorities. By far the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic. Why is that? Well, the Hispanics are having more kids than others. Notably the ones Hispanics call gabachos, white people, are having fewer.
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Nearly half of the nation's children under 5 are racial or ethnic minorities, and the percentage is increasing mainly because the Hispanic population is growing so rapidly.
Do your duty. Make more babies... half of the kids in this country under five years old are minorities. By far the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic. Why is that? Well, the Hispanics are having more kids than others. Notably the ones Hispanics call gabachos, white people, are having fewer. wondy?
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I have never used the word "gabacho" in my life. I will start now, of course.
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I have never used the word "gabacho" in my life. I will start now, of course. Body...wanna feel my body? Body...such a thrill my body Body...wanna touch my body? Body...it's too much my body Check it out my body, body. Don't you doubt my body, body. talkin' bout my body, body, check it out my body Every man wants to be a gabacho gabacho man to have the kind of body, always in demand Jogging in the mornings, go man go works out in the health spa, muscles glow You can best believe that, he's a macho man ready to get down with, anyone he can Hey! Hey! Hey, hey, hey! Gabacho, gabacho man (gabacho man) I've got to be, a gabacho man gabacho, gabacho man I've got to be a Gabacho! Ow.... Macho, macho man I've got to be, a Gabacho man Macho, macho man (yeah, yeah) I've got to be a macho! Body, its so hot, my body, Body, love to pop my body, Body, love to please my body, Body, don't you tease my body, Body, you'll adore my body, Body, come explore my body, Body, made by God, my body, Body, it's so good, my body You can tell a Gabacho, he has a funky walk his western shirts and leather, always look so boss Funky with his body, he's a king call him Mister Eagle, dig his chains You can best believe that, he's a macho man likes to be the leader, he never dresses grand Hey! Hey! Hey, hey, hey! Gabacho, Gabacho man I've got to be, a Gabacho man Macho, macho man I've got to be a Gabacho! (all right) Macho, macho man (yeah, yeah) I've got to be, a macho man Macho, macho man I've got to be a Gabacho! All Right! Ugh! Gabacho..baby! Body, body, body wanna feel my body, Body, body, body gonna thrill my body, Body, body, body don'tcha stop my body, Body, body, body it's so hot my body, Every man ought to be a Gabacho Gabacho man, To live a life of freedom, Gabachos make a stand, Have their own life style and ideals, Possess the strength and confidence, life's a steal, You can best believe that he's a Gabacho man He's a special person in anybody's land. Hey! Hey! Hey, hey, hey! Gabacho, Gabacho man (macho man) I've got to be, a Gabacho man Macho, macho man I've got to be a Gabacho! (dig the hair on my chest) Gabacho, Gabacho man (see my big thick mustache) I've got to be, a Gabacho man Gabacho, Gabacho man I've got to be a Gabacho! (Dig broad shoulders) Gabacho, Gabacho man (dig my muscles!) I've got to be, a Gabacho man Gabacho, Gabacho man I've got to be a Gabacho! Gabacho, Gabacho man I've got to be, a Gabacho man Gabacho, Gabacho man I've got to be a Gabacho! HEY!
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Did immigration Cost Romney Florida? Sure looks like it. On Florida’s airwaves all week, Romney delivered strong punitive deport-them-all rhetoric. He even highlighted the endorsement of anti-immigrant zealot Kris Kobach. And Floridians heard him loud and clear. Exit polling showed that those Republican voters who wanted the undocumented deported en masse went overwhelmingly for Romney. This is not surprising since McCain is a godfather of the failed Senate comprehensive immigration grand bargain, which would have put 12 million undocumented immigrants on a long path to citizenship if they had no criminal record, paid a fine and met other high standards.  It seems to me that this election is shaping up to be clearly different. Race baiting, trying to highlight a candidates middle name to try to stoke a negative reaction and all the assorted dirty tricks and sleaze, is turning people off. Good.
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Race baiting, trying to highlight a candidates middle name to try to stoke a negative reaction and all the assorted dirty tricks and sleaze, is turning people off. So what you are saying is that in this election the democrats don't plan to do things like blame the Republican for dragging black men behind trucks in Texas, accuse the GOP of disenfranchising blacks, make bad puns out of his middle initial (like "Dumbya"), forge fake National Guard records and drag up twenty five year old traffic violations? Wow. That's a relief.
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Race baiting, trying to highlight a candidates middle name to try to stoke a negative reaction and all the assorted dirty tricks and sleaze, is turning people off. So what you are saying is that in this election the democrats don't plan to do things like blame the Republican for dragging black men behind trucks in Texas, accuse the GOP of disenfranchising blacks, make bad puns out of his middle initial (like "Dumbya"), forge fake National Guard records and drag up twenty five year old traffic violations? Wow. That's a relief. 1)No. When did anyone accuse Republicans of dragging black men behind trucks? Do you have something you wish to unload? 2) They do. And i've discussed it here in the election fraud thread. 3) Bush isn't running. But really, you think that was an election strategy? 4) Again, Bush isn't running.
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When did anyone accuse Republicans of dragging black men behind trucks? Do you have something you wish to unload? : - The supposedly non-partisan NAACP ran a $9 million ad campaign designed to boost black turnout. It featured a TV commercial that re-enacted the June 1998 dragging death of James Byrd in Texas and essentially associated George W. Bush with that atrocity.
And, yes, I realize that Bush isn't running. However, these are past examples of democrats doing the types of things (race baiting, picking on middle names, etc.) that who seem to be against. So I asked if they plan on doing similar things with the 2008 GOP candidate.
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well maybe if there were fewer racist republicans (wondy) then you wouldn't get lumped in with them.
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Rich Illegal Immigrants in U.S. Hide In ShadowsKinda conflicted on this one visa-vis the immigration debate.
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the right wing’s favorite anti-immigrant claims is that immigrants are dangerous and commit high levels of crime. A new report by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California, however, finds that these claims are baseless: “In California, as in the rest of the nation, immigrants … have extremely low rates of criminal activity,” said Kristin Butcher, a co-author of the report, “Crime, Corrections and California: What Does Immigration Have to Do With It?”
Available data, the report’s authors said, “suggest that long-standing fears of immigration as a threat to public safety are unjustified.”
Starting with the fact that immigrants make up 35 percent of the state’s adult population but only 17 percent of its prisoners, researchers said they discovered several “striking” findings. And since Wonder Boy likes making his unfounded assertions because he read it in a book by Pat Buchanan. In his books and in numerous media appearances, Pat Buchanan has been trying to make the case that Mexican immigrants are fundamentally unlike past immigrant groups. Buchanan, who is of Irish ancestry, argues that Germans, Irish, Italians, etc were different because they were willing and able to assimilate. On Hannity and Colmes he stated, “[T]he guys I went to school with in the ’50s and ’60s and the ’40s, they were the sons of immigrants. They’d all been completely assimilated, Americanized. We were marinated in the same culture.” But Buchanan’s statements against Hispanic immigrants mirror the charges that German, Irish, Italian, Jews, and other immigrant groups also faced. Some examples: Immigrants will not be able to assimilate: Where the Italians wanted to be part of our family, millions of Mexicans are determined to retain their language and loyalty to Mexico. They prefer to remain outsiders. They do not wish to assimilate and the nation no longer demands that they do so. [Buchanan, p. 28, 2006] Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751] Many Hispanics, as a matter of fact, you know what culture they are assimilating to? — the rap culture, the crime culture, anti-cops, all the rest of it. [Buchanan, 8/22/06] “The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses. … Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country.” [Chicago Post, 1868] Mexican-Americans can now become citizens of Mexico again. The whole idea is to create this giant fifth column in the United States which can leverage the American government in elections and pressure them to do what is in the interest of the nation of Mexico. [Buchanan, 8/22/06] [A] set of citizens, German and Irish, wanted to get the Constitution of the U. S. into their own hands and sell it to a foreign power. [Theme of an American Nativist Party rally, 1844] [A]lmost all immigrants today, legal and illegal, come from countries and cultures whose peoples have never before been assimilated into a First World nation. [Buchanan, p. 221, 2006] Today, instead of a nation descended from generations of freemen bred to a knowledge of principles and practice of self government, of liberty under the law, we have a heterogeneous population, no small proportion of which is sprung from races that throughout the centuries have known no liberty at all… In other words our capacity to maintain our cherished institutions stands diluted by a stream of alien blood, with all of its misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed. [Rep. Albert Johnson, 1927, justifying the 1924 National Origins Act] If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived. [Buchanan, p. 11, 2006] The number of purely white People in the World is proportionally very small…in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are Germans also, the Saxons only accepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751] Similarly, during Senate debate on immigration Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) warned against allowing too many immigrants into the country. He stated that “the numbers cannot be too great or it takes jobs from Americans and can, in fact, create cultural problems that wouldn’t occur if it was a little slower.” Conservative columnist Bob Novak responds: That recalls the 1911 report of the U.S. Immigration Commission asserting that the “proportion of the more serious crimes of homicide, blackmail and robbery . . . is greater among the foreign born,” who also refuse to learn the English language.
In reading part of that report into the Senate record, Graham declared that these immigrants who were “ruining America” fathered the “greatest generation.” That immigrant wave included my grandfather, a Russian Imperial army veteran working on the John Deere tractor assembly line in Moline, Ill., as an unskilled, undocumented alien who could not speak English. He was an American patriot proud of a son who fought with the U.S. infantry through Africa and Italy in World War II. We're a nation of immigrants. legal and illegal, conservative and liberal, Republican and Democratic. but what does it matter, as in the past, Wonder Boy will simply ignore these nonpartisan studies and go right back to his bigoted innacurate statements from his Pat Buchana books without missing a beat.
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I looked at your links and then proceeded to not read the rest of your post.
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you'll find nearly every crime cmmited in this country is by an immigrant or a decedent of one. your stories lie whomod.
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Fences aren't stopping illegal immigrants I had a feeling that this fence wasn't gonna do all that much good - after all, there are sure to be ways of circumventing it. But building a fence that a 9-month pregnant woman can easily climb is a borderline complete waste of time, effort, and resources.
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Fences aren't stopping illegal immigrants I had a feeling that this fence wasn't gonna do all that much good - after all, there are sure to be ways of circumventing it. But building a fence that a 9-month pregnant woman can easily climb is a borderline complete waste of time, effort, and resources. In this one case where high-tech monitoring doesn't work, they've had a bad resut. (As is widely publicized by the liberal media that is sympathetic to illegals.) While the same liberal media ignores the effectiveness of the 18 miles of fence at the San-Diego/Tijuana border, that used to be the primary entry-point by illegals, until a double-fence and improved security stopped illegal crossings, drug trafficking, and other accompanying crime almost 100%. Which is why the primary point of illegal crossings is in New Mexico now. Because it was too difficult to cross into San Diego, so they moved illegal crossings to a weaker point. Something you never hear from the liberal media. The moment we get serious about securing our borders and making it difficult for illegals to stay here, is the moment illegal immigration stops.
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This article from today's Miami Herald: So apparently, Cuban immigrants are assimilating. I was amused by how the Herald spun this as a negative thing. Would that all hispanic immigrants were assimilating as well as Cuban immigrants.
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So apparently, Cuban immigrants are assimilating. I was amused by how the Herald spun this as a negative thing.
To whoever wrote the article, given Miami demographics, it probably is a bad thing. Some people see assimilation as havana bad affect on one's culture.
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While the same liberal media ignores the effectiveness of the 18 miles of fence at the San-Diego/Tijuana border, that used to be the primary entry-point by illegals, until a double-fence and improved security stopped illegal crossings, drug trafficking, and other accompanying crime almost 100%.
Which is why the primary point of illegal crossings is in New Mexico now.
It sounds like that method got pretty good results. Why only 18 miles? I'm not on the fence about the need for border security. But if we're gonna do it, we should do it in a way that works.
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While the same liberal media ignores the effectiveness of the 18 miles of fence at the San-Diego/Tijuana border, that used to be the primary entry-point by illegals, until a double-fence and improved security stopped illegal crossings, drug trafficking, and other accompanying crime almost 100%.
Which is why the primary point of illegal crossings is in New Mexico now.
It sounds like that method got pretty good results. Why only 18 miles? I'm not on the fence about the need for border security. But if we're gonna do it, we should do it in a way that works. A small correction, it's actually 14 miles. And it was border fence securing the 14-mile area that was easiest for illegals to cross. The other areas have long stretches of mountains and desert, that deter crossing at those points. It was an attempt to prove a better border-fence's effectiveness, before moving forward with a more complete securing of our entire southern border. Here's an article from NPR that describes the effectiveness of the San Diego 14-mile fence, and that it should serve as an example of how to build effective border fences across other sections of the U.S./Mexico border. And here's Michelle Malkin's page describing the ongoing attempts by open-borders advocates, lobbying by businesses that hire illegals as cheap labor, and bought-and-paid for politicians that are doing their best to obstruct any inprovements to border security.
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To whoever wrote the article, given Miami demographics, it probably is a bad thing. Some people see assimilation as havana bad affect on one's culture. Considering people who live in Miami are American and they're apart of American culture, it doesn't really matter.
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I found this article frankly fascinating. considering I suck at math, I'm hoping by the time my daughter reaches school, this will be standard practice and thus she won't. At L.A. school, Singapore math has added value SUM FUN: Lyudvig Yegidbashyan, a first-grader at Ramona Elementary, tackles a math problem in the Singapore curriculum. After the school began using textbooks developed for use in the Asian city-state — whose pupils consistently rank No. 1 in international math comparisons — its math scores soared.By Mitchell Landsberg, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer March 9, 2008 Here's a little math problem:
In 2005, just 45% of the fifth-graders at Ramona Elementary School in Hollywood scored at grade level on a standardized state test. In 2006, that figure rose to 76%. What was the difference?
If you answered 31 percentage points, you are correct. You could also express it as a 69% increase.
But there is another, more intriguing answer: The difference between the two years may have been Singapore math.
At the start of the 2005-06 school year, Ramona began using textbooks developed for use in Singapore, a Southeast Asian city-state whose pupils consistently rank No. 1 in international math comparisons. Ramona's math scores soared.
"It's wonderful," said Principal Susan Arcaris. "Seven out of 10 of the students in our school are proficient or better in math, and that's pretty startling when you consider that this is an inner-city, Title 1 school."
Ramona easily qualifies for federal Title 1 funds, which are intended to alleviate the effects of poverty. Nine of every 10 students at the school are eligible for free or reduced-price lunches. For the most part, these are the children of immigrants, the majority from Central America, some from Armenia. Nearly six in 10 students speak English as a second language.
Yet here they are, outpacing their counterparts in more affluent schools and succeeding in a math curriculum designed for students who are the very stereotype of Asian dominance in math and science.
How did that happen?
It's a question with potentially big implications, because California recently became the first state to include the Singapore series on its list of state-approved elementary math texts. Public schools aren't required to use the books -- there are a number of other, more conventional texts on the state list -- but the state will subsidize the purchase if they do. And being on the list puts an important imprimatur on the books, because California is by far the largest, most influential textbook buyer in the country.
The decision to approve the books could place California ahead of the national curve. The National Mathematics Advisory Panel, appointed by President Bush, will issue a report Thursday that is expected to endorse K-8 math reforms that, in many ways, mirror the Singapore curriculum.
The report could also signal a cease-fire in the state's math wars, which raged between traditionalists and reformers throughout the 1990s and shook up math teachers nationwide. Fundamentalists called for a return to basics; reformers demanded a curriculum that would emphasize conceptual understanding.
Mathematicians on both sides of the divide say the Singapore curriculum teaches both. By hammering on the basics, it instills a deep understanding of key concepts, they say.
Kids -- at least the kids at Ramona -- seem to love it.
Ramona, which received a grant to introduce the Singapore curriculum, is one of a sprinkling of schools around the country to do so.
Not all teachers like it, and not all use it. The Singapore books aren't easy for teachers to use without training, and some veterans are more comfortable with the curriculum they have always followed. But you can tell when you walk into a classroom using Singapore math.
"On your mark . . . get set . . . THINK!"
First-grade teacher Arpie Liparian stands in front of her class with a stopwatch. The only sound is of pencils scratching paper as the students race through the daily "sprint," a 60-second drill that is a key part of the Singapore system. The problems at this age are simple: 2+3, 3+4, 8+2. The idea, once commonplace in math classrooms, is to practice them until they become second nature.
Critics call this "drill and kill," but Ramona's math coach, Robin Ramos, calls it "drill and thrill." The children act as though it's a game. Not everyone finishes all 30 problems in 60 seconds, and only one girl gets all the answers right, but the students are bubbling with excitement. And Liparian praises every effort.
"Give yourselves a hand, boys and girls," she says when all the drills have been corrected. "You did a wonderful job."
Reinforcing patterns
What isn't obvious to a casual observer is that this drill is carefully thought out to reinforce patterns of mathematical thinking that carry through the curriculum. "These are 'procedures with connections,' " Ramos said, arranged to convey sometimes subtle points. This thoughtfulness -- some say brilliance -- is the true hallmark of the Singapore books, advocates say.  BY THE NUMBERS: Susan Arcaris, Ramona Elementary School principal, helps first-graders, from left, Kathleen Yzabel Guy, Harutun Marikyan and Diane Mkrtchyan as they perform a 60-second “sprint,” a key part of the Singapore math curriculum.
(Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times)
December 13, 2007 After 10 years of studying the Singapore curriculum, Yoram Sagher, a math professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, said he still has "very pleasant surprises and realizations" while reading the books. Sagher, who helped train Ramos and the other teachers at Ramona, said he is constantly amazed by "the gentle, clever ways that the mathematics is brought to the intuition of the students."
The books, with the no-nonsense title "Primary Mathematics," are published for the U.S. market by a small company in Oregon, Marshall Cavendish International. They are slim volumes, weighing a fraction of a conventional American text. They have a spare, stripped-down look, and a given page contains no material that isn't directly related to the lesson at hand.
Standing in an empty classroom one recent morning, Ramos flipped through two sets of texts: the Singapore books and those of a conventional math series published by Harcourt. She began with the first lesson in the first chapter of first grade.
In Harcourt Math, there was a picture of eight trees. There were two circles in the sky. The instructions told the students: "There are 2 birds in all." There were no birds on the page.
The instructions directed the students to draw little yellow disks in the circles to represent the birds.
Ramos gave a look of exasperation. Without a visual representation of birds, she said, the math is confusing and overly abstract for a 5- or 6-year-old. "The math doesn't jump out of the page here," she said.
The Singapore first-grade text, by contrast, could hardly have been clearer. It began with a blank rectangle and the number and word for "zero." Below that was a rectangle with a single robot in it, and the number and word for "one." Then a rectangle with two dolls, and the number and word for "two," and so on.
"This page is very pictorial, but it refers to something very concrete," Ramos said. "Something they can understand."
Next to the pictures were dots. Beginning with the number six (represented by six pineapples), the dots were arranged in two rows, so that six was presented as one row of five dots and a second row with one dot.
Day one, first grade: the beginnings of set theory.
"This concept, right at the beginning, is the foundation for very important mathematics," Ramos said. As it progresses, the Singapore math builds on this, often in ways that are invisible to the children.
Word problems in the early grades are always solved the same way: Draw a picture representing the problem and its solution. Then express it with numbers, and finally write it in words. "The whole concept," Ramos says, "is concrete to pictorial to abstract."
Another hallmark of the Singapore books is that there is little repetition. Students are expected to attain mastery of a concept and move on. Each concept builds upon the next. As a result, the books cover far fewer topics in a given year than standard American texts.
Skilled at math
Singapore is a prosperous, multicultural, multilingual nation of 4.5 million people whose fourth- and eighth-grade students have never scored lower than No. 1 in a widely accepted comparison of global math skills, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study. U.S. students score in the middle of the pack.
When the U.S. Department of Education commissioned a study in 2005 to find out why, it concluded, in part: "Singapore's textbooks build deep understanding of mathematical concepts through multi-step problems and concrete illustrations that demonstrate how abstract mathematical concepts are used to solve problems from different perspectives."
By contrast, the study said, "traditional U.S. textbooks rarely get beyond definitions and formulas, developing only students' mechanical ability to apply mathematical concepts."
Many eminent mathematicians agree. In fact, it is difficult to find a mathematician who likes the standard American texts or dislikes Singapore's. I posted it here so Wonder Boy can ignore the larger point of better math and rail about foreign speaking immigrant children. Children that as a result of this Singapore math, will probably be smarter than him.
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Well....Yeah. The Chinese actually have cultural value.
The Mexicans on the other hand......Yeah.
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I found this article frankly fascinating. considering I suck
isnt that the case every time?
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Well....Yeah. The Chinese actually have cultural value.
The Mexicans on the other hand......Yeah. How 'bout the blacks?
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It’s not enough to hate illegal immigrants anymore–you must despise anyone who dares speak Spanish in public too. A Ross Perot loving—anti-Hispanic bigot got grumpy because two Latino customers didn’t know exactly what equipment they wanted—thought it was a hassle to help them—heard them speak Spanish—then demanded proof of citizenship for one of them before he would sell the items. He even threatened to call ICE and arrest them himself. And both people are US citizens. Of course there is outrage in the community. Store owner asks to see shoppers' Social Security cards08:48 AM EDT on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 By Karen Lee Ziner Journal Staff Writer PROVIDENCE — All José Genao planned to do at the heating equipment supply store was buy a spare part for his boiler.
While the owner began searching for the part, Genao and his friend began speaking to each other in Spanish.
As owner David C. Richardson was ringing up Genao’s $18 purchase, he demanded to see their Social Security cards.
What followed was a telling encounter underscoring the tensions in this country over immigration and ethnicity.
Richardson
When Genao told Richardson “he did not have the right to ask all those questions,” Richardson pulled out a membership card for Rhode Islanders for Immigration Law Enforcement, a group that seeks curbs on illegal immigration.
Then, he lifted the phone receiver and threatened to call immigration authorities, Genao said.
“He [Richardson] grabbed the phone and said, ‘I can call ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] anytime I see an illegal immigrant,’ ” said Genao. “He also said, ‘I can make a citizen’s arrest.’ ”
Genao, a Rhode Island state employee, is a native of the Dominican Republic and a U.S. citizen. He speaks fluent English. He said his friend — who declined comment — is also a Dominican native and U.S. citizen. “There is no problem with his status,” said Genao. “He is legal.” State records list both as registered voters.
Richardson, owner of Rhode Island Refrigeration on Branch Avenue, did not dispute most of Genao’s account of the March 1 incident, but said he did not recall picking up the phone receiver, and was not trying to threaten anyone. Interviewed at his store, Richardson said he singled out Genao’s friend, whom he thought only spoke Spanish.
“I wanted to see the Social Security number from the one who wasn’t speaking English,” said Richardson. “I just kind of mentioned I’d like to see his Social Security card. And he kinda balked. He left and walked out the door.” When the friend returned to urge Genao to leave, Richardson added, “he started to speak in English. That surprised me.”
Richardson, a Reform party member and former Senate candidate, said he was acting on civic duty. Genao accused Richardson of racial stereotyping, “all because we were speaking Spanish.”
Said Richardson, “I have no problem as a citizen of the United States of America to try and pursue people who are breaking laws. I was just trying to make [them] understand that people who come into this country who are illegal shouldn’t be here. I am very passionate about that.” He said he did not call ICE or make a citizen’s arrest “because I didn’t have enough proof.”
Richardson was asked what led him to suspect that either of the men were illegal immigrants.
“What proof is there? I think the majority of people who don’t speak English in Rhode Island — at least 51 percent or more — are illegal aliens,” he said. He added, “I’m trying to wake America up. I’m trying to wake him [Genao’s friend] up, and let him be aware that people who are breaking the law shouldn’t be breaking the law.”
Mark Potok, head of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, which tracks hate crimes in the United States, said the incident reflects the tide of anti-immigrant sentiment in this country — not solely restricted to illegal immigrants.
“This kind of thing is happening every day in this country,” said Potok. “Do we really want to bring the country to this point where everyone who is brown-skinned is suspect?
“It’s really quite incredible people can be confronted in this way,” said Potok. “We hear everyday from U.S. congressmen and television pundits and talk radio about the many terrible things brown-skinned immigrants are doing to this country — and they are almost universally false — but the reality is, they lead directly to incidents like this, and, less directly, to violence.”
Genao said he is still upset over the encounter, which he called “loud in tone.” Richardson called it “a discussion.”
“I told [Richardson] I’m a U.S. citizen by choice, whereas he was just born here,” said Genao. “I have every right to be here. I told him his behavior was shameful. And he went on to say that a lot of these illegal immigrants are criminals and we have to stop them, and he said he did this for his country — because it’s going downhill, because of all these illegal immigrants.
“What [Richardson] should have done was say, ‘Thank you for shopping with me.’ That’s all he had to do.”
RIILE, the organization to which Richardson belongs, was formed in 2006 by Terry Gorman of Lincoln. RIILE seeks enforcement of current immigration laws; supports any new legislation aimed at curbing illegal immigration; opposes guest-worker programs; and opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Gorman took exception to Richardson’s actions.
“There’s no way I can defend what he did. It definitely isn’t the policy of RIILE to go around and use your RIILE card to intimidate people,” said Gorman in a phone interview. “That’s not something that RIILE would promote … to make citizen’s arrest.”
According to Gorman, Richardson “has done that to other people and he’s refused their business if they have no Social Security number. Then he doesn’t sell his products to them.”
Richardson said he has asked for customers’ Social Security numbers if they do not speak English well, and estimated that he has done so “fifteen or twenty times.” At first, Richardson said he has refused to do business with some people who declined to show him a Social Security card. He subsequently denied that, and said he had asked people for their cards “maybe 10 times in the last five years.”
Though Richardson said it is his legal right to demand a Social Security card — it may not be.
Steven Brown, executive director of the Rhode Island Affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union, said Richardson appears to have violated a state law (R.I. General Law 6-13-17) related to “unfair sales practices.”
The law states, “Unless otherwise required by federal law, no person shall require that a consumer of goods or services disclose a Social Security number incident to the sale of consumer goods or services.”
There are several exceptions, including that insurance companies and institutions licensed by the state or federal government for financial services may require applicants to disclose their Social Security number. Consumers may also be required to disclose their Social Security numbers when applying for a credit card or seeking health care or pharmaceutical related services.
Brown said the law, “designed to protect consumers’ rights, generally prohibits businesses from requiring customers to disclose their Social Security number. The law contains both criminal and civil penalties.” In Brown’s opinion, “by demanding that this customer present his Social Security card, the owner clearly ran afoul of that law.”
Brown said Richardson’s actions “also appear to clearly violate state laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race or national origin in places of public accommodation. There can be little question that this customer was singled out for discriminatory and humiliating treatment based on his national origin. Store owners have a legal obligation to serve all customers, and threatening to arrest a customer for speaking Spanish and for refusing to show a Social Security card is precisely the type of discriminatory conduct that the state’s ‘public accommodations’ law was meant to bar.”
Genao said, “Somehow, we have to keep on educating people. When it comes to this man [Richardson], does he have any children or grandchildren? Does he let them see anyone who is not their kind? Or does ask them for their documents before he can let them play together?” How dare they speak Spanish in his store and how dare they get “up tight” because off a little racism. “I don’t know what he was.” Maybe he was a human being?
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Wow really. When I applied for a car loan they asked to see my social security card. I bet they hate white people too.
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Wish people would do that more often here seeing as how illegal immigration is more rampant and destructive in the southwest. But NOOOOOO! We have to be respectful to our intruders and allow them to inflate the economy like a fucking helium tank. Provided they were actually immigrating at the time of their arrival, no. They wouldn't have offered useful cultural elements since American culture was already decades, maybe even centuries, ahead of their tribal standards. American culture had to teach the descendant generations of the African slaves before black people became valuable members of society. If America has to teach immigrants how to be valued members of society, that destroys the whole point to "advantages of diversity." Asian immigrants have always been more culturally valuable because they had brought their own education and work ethic with them to America.
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Wow really. When I applied for a car loan they asked to see my social security card. I bet they hate white people too. That's what you get for borrowing money from Obama's church.
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Wow really. When I applied for a car loan they asked to see my social security card. I bet they hate white people too. There are several exceptions, including that insurance companies and institutions licensed by the state or federal government for financial services may require applicants to disclose their Social Security number. Consumers may also be required to disclose their Social Security numbers when applying for a credit card or seeking health care or pharmaceutical related services. 
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so there are reasons why someone want to make sure that you are legal?
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Yes, racism. Didn't you read the article he just made up?
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Yes, racism. Didn't you read the article he just made up?  There you go. A nice reassuring link.
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so there are reasons why someone want to make sure that you are legal? apparently so. Sating your xenophobia isn't one of them.
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