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Alright, so all these people look good with face paint on. Can we at least have Mark Hamill do the voices for them? He was, is and always will be the Joker voice that I hear in my mind when I read the comics.




I disagree with everything you wrote here.




That would explain why Hamill is the voice in my head instead of the voice in yours. Any thoughts on who your Joker voice is?


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I also think the three Joker options do NOT look good in the Joker makeup and should not be chosen.


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Sorry. I'll clarify. The purpose of my comment was to highlight the fact that photomanipulations alone do not necessarily qualify an actor or actress to portray said character in a film. While photomanipulations are pretty and fun to look at, they are entirely one dimensional due to the fact that they are not only a single moment in time, but also only a representation of the physical attributes of the actor or actress. Thus, I commented that all of the candidates do indeed look passible as the Joker and thus can serve as an adequate freeze frame into his character. Except for Enzyte Bob, who frightens me on any occasion.

My comments regarding Hamill were designed to highlight his successful run on the popular shows Batman the Animated Series and Batman and Robin. I personally thought that his voice acting was amazing and showcased many elements of the Joker's character. Thus, he has more credibility when it comes to the Joker than others.

I reviewed the posts and still couldn't find who your preference was for the Joker. I've given mine and you disagreed with it. I'm only a simple n00b. Please enlighten me.

I reviewed again and discovered that you already enlightened me. Mayhaps it is time for bed so I can read more carefully tomorrow.

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I also think the three Joker options do NOT look good in the Joker makeup and should not be chosen.




Wait a tic, didn't you post several of those options? Were those pictures designed to sway us away from those actors or to inspire us to select those actors?


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I find this image genuinely creepy, which is how I've always viewed the Joker (moreso than Morrison's 'delightfully camp' character from "Rock of Ages"). While I still think Adrien Brody should play the role, I love this look for the character!

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I especially like the scarred nature of the smile. It really seems to fit the feel that Christopher Nolan was trying to get to in the first film.

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I especially like the scarred nature of the smile. It really seems to fit the feel that Christopher Nolan was trying to get to in the first film.




I agree it makes sense to have his face all wacked out, but not like that. It was apparently supposed to be Joker slicing his face open after getting bleached and shit. Somehow I don't see THE Joker doing that. Plus, as he has been established up to now in the comics, he's quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.


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I also think the three Joker options do NOT look good in the Joker makeup and should not be chosen.




Wait a tic, didn't you post several of those options? Were those pictures designed to sway us away from those actors or to inspire us to select those actors?




Neither. It was intended to show what they looked like in photo-manips posted elsewhere. I didn't know who any of those actors were, nor did I have any idea what they looked like. It was for me and anyone else who might be a tad lazier.


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Sorry. I'll clarify. The purpose of my comment was to highlight the fact that photomanipulations alone do not necessarily qualify an actor or actress to portray said character in a film. While photomanipulations are pretty and fun to look at, they are entirely one dimensional due to the fact that they are not only a single moment in time, but also only a representation of the physical attributes of the actor or actress. Thus, I commented that all of the candidates do indeed look passible as the Joker and thus can serve as an adequate freeze frame into his character.




This is what I disagree with. The photomanips are for me to judge by, the acting is for the director and casting director to decide on. The three current 'pics' are not to my aesthetic satisfaction.

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My comments regarding Hamill were designed to highlight his successful run on the popular shows Batman the Animated Series and Batman and Robin. I personally thought that his voice acting was amazing and showcased many elements of the Joker's character. Thus, he has more credibility when it comes to the Joker than others.




I agree that Hamill does a good animated character voice. I do not, however, think the movie ought to employ a voice-over. That would seriously detract from the movie. As Hammil cannot possibly pass as Joker physically I'd say he's so far out he'll have to take a bus to return to the same continent. As for being the 'ultimate' Joker voice I also disagree. In my head Joker's always had a unique voice. Although Hamill works for a cartoon I cannot hear him as the "real" Joker. It's too... fake. Too contrived and forced.

Of the three options I might be able to see Paul Bettany - if he can act. He seems like he might be able to pull off a sort of DKR Joker look. Aside from that I think the two best aesthetically Jokeresque options are the Dr.Who guy (my current favorite as he can do the eyes and smile) and Crispin Glover (although I haven't seen his smile, he plays a good psychotic and has the other physical features - hight, too skinny, etc.). They won't have the right guy unless my pants are wet by the end of the program.


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[The Joker is] quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.




See, in my mind the Joker should just be absolutely horrifying. The comics with the Joker that I love are the one's where he's doing something absolutely insane for no rational reason... because there is no rationale in his mind. I'm not sure I would have a problem with the Joker mutilating himself personally... but I can see how other fans would. It's just the differences in our Joker preferences...

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I liked Hammil's Joker, but this is not TAS universe, this Joker needs his own identity.

Battany or Ecclestone would both be pretty good.

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[The Joker is] quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.




See, in my mind the Joker should just be absolutely horrifying. The comics with the Joker that I love are the one's where he's doing something absolutely insane for no rational reason... because there is no rationale in his mind. I'm not sure I would have a problem with the Joker mutilating himself personally... but I can see how other fans would. It's just the differences in our Joker preferences...




That's 'cause to you he only has to be scary like a monster. To me he has to be scary like a REAL monster - like Ted Bundy type shit. Ladies man full to busting with maggots and flotsom.


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Cripsin Glover told BLOODY-DISCUSTING.COM the following regarding his connection to the role of The Joker:

"The rumors that he will play the Joker in the next Batman were also shot down. According to Crispin, they are strictly internet based but he would love the opportunity to do it. He hopes that the buzz might rub off on the studio."

According to BOF sources, Glover is not in the screentesting mix. As I've reported previously - and Glover seems to confirm - his association with the role is a product of fan speculation. In BOF's recent "Who should play The Joker" poll, Glover came in third taking in 17% of the votes cast...




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And Roven denies rumors he's searching for a new, younger Joker for the film: "The Internet has the Joker cast already," Roven says shaking his head. "The 'Net has also cast the Riddler. It's just all rumors. ... The truth is we haven't even decided who will be the next villain."

He says the nod to the Joker in the current movie "was our way of tipping our hats to the very first Batman movie [in which Jack Nicholson was the Joker]."






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Thursday, Septmeber 8, 2005 - 6:21 AM, 7:08 PM CST: Hey y'all, Jett here. I received an email today that confirmed to me that Mr. Nolan will be directing the BATMAN BEGINS sequel after his next film. The latter he is prepping as we speak. THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL ANNOUCEMENT. Sorry I can't be specific as I'm protecting the ID of my source, but trust me on this one. Damn! That info is going to take some steam out of my next op-ed that will be posted this weekend. But I'm certainly glad that Nolan will return - not that I ever thought he wouldn't...




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Saturday, Septmeber 17, 2005 - 7:14 AM, 5:11 PM CENTRAL TIME: Two of BOF's best - and completely unrelated - sources have confirmed for us that Australian actor Lachy Hulme (pronounced "Lock-ee Hewm") and British thesp Paul Bettany are the only actors that BATMAN producers are considering for the role of The Joker - at the momment. One of these two sources also told us that screen tests will indeed take place this fall, although it was unclear if one or both of these actors are testing...

In addition, one of these same sources told BOF that we were "dead on" regarding our report that Mr. Nolan will indeed return to The Cave once he completes his next project - which is said to be THE EXEC for Warner Bros. "Bad news" for me I guess (*Jett laughs his ass off*)...








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So Nolan's there, that's good. Joker, although not explicitly said to be in the next Batman film, is down to either being the DKR version or the 1970's version (going off visuals only).

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    Robin Williams, Joker?
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    June 26, 2006 - News of what's happening with the sequel to Batman Begins has been scant of late. Director Christopher Nolan has been hard at work on his Batman Begins follow-up, The Prestige, which re-teams the director with Christian Bale.

    Most believe that the director's next film after Prestige will be a sequel to Batman Begins, likely with The Joker stepping into the villain slot.

    Many actors have been rumored to play the part, but fan favorites include Paul Bettany and Adrien Brody. Another actor who has been mentioned in connection with the series since way back during casting for The Riddler in Batman Forever is Robin Williams. Of course it helps that the actor has a connection with Christopher Nolan, having starred for the director in Insomnia.

    IGN FilmForce spoke to Williams about the possibility this weekend. He was enthusiastic about the prospect.

    "Oh God, I'd love to do that one."

    Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."


    We asked Williams whether he saw The Joker as more over-the-top or dark.

    "You can go both," Williams said. "As in madness, there's a lot of ways to go. I think you can really explore how bright and how nasty-funny he is, just like I guess what Kevin [Spacey] did with Lex Luthor, made him really funny, but yet still damaged... As evil is, accessible and yet still horrific. Jump back and forth all the time. I'm kidding... Kidding!"

    On the second kidding, Williams gave me a soft poke in the throat with two fingers. Amusing, but a bit surprising.

    "See there it is," says Williams. "I saw your eyes go f**k off!"

    Williams is an admitted fan of comics and/or graphic novels. "It's interesting now that they're doing, they all kind of realize, with all the adult comic books or graphic novels for those who are trying to upscale themselves... Is that a comic book? No! It's a graphic novel! Is that porn? No! It's adult entertainment!"

    "They're making these really interesting pieces and there's a lot of great, great comic books and graphic novels out there that could make wonderful movies. They're looking for them, and it's great... I read this comic book called DMZ [by Brian Wood], which is about New York after kind of a Civil War. Could it happen? Every time the helicopters fly over my house I'm going, 'Welcome to Baghdad!' But it's kind of fascinating, because they treat it like the country's divided. All these cities like Lebanon and Beirut and Baghdad and military zones of control, yet it's still the village and it's still its own. Fascinating concept. That's what's good about alternative forms of literature or stuff that you read..."


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"Oh God, I'd love to do that one."

Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."






...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...

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"Oh God, I'd love to do that one."

Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."






...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...



it definitely makes it less scary but if they want to do it right there is only one guy for the job.....Mark Hamill.

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I think this time they should go with a young actor... that said, Robin Williams as the Joker is so insane, it might just work. Maybe in a DKR movie.


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"Oh God, I'd love to do that one."

Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."






...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...



it definitely makes it less scary but if they want to do it right there is only one guy for the job.....Mark Hamill.




I've heard this a lot, and it seems to me that everyone always forgets that just because Hamill has a great Joker voice for animation, that doesn't necessarily translate very well to an actual live performance.


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Robin Williams would make a terrible Luke Skywalker.


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"Oh God, I'd love to do that one."

Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."






...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...






oh yeah. he' s been pushing for Transmet to get made for years. he's dying to play Royce, the editor.

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hammill played "cock knocker" -- the over the top villain in an on-screen, on-screen role in "jay and silent bob strike back"

most of it was using his joker voice, which is hands down the greatest portrayal of the joker, ever. the manaiacal and hyesterical bellow followed by that deviously low grumbling laugh... a fucking piece of artwork.

i'd love to see that.

robin williams, i think, is amongst the funniest people of all time, and an amazingly zany every-fucking-second-is-something-different persona that i think would be pretty sweet. like, an aladin's genie gone insane and villainous.

but that could just be half of the visage -- his stone-faced creepy-as-fuck killer persona in nolan's "insomnia" is the legendary stuff of nightmares. what a wonderful twist it would be to bring forth both of those aspects to the joker character in a heartbeat transition.


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hammill played "cock knocker" -- the over the top villain in an on-screen, on-screen role in "jay and silent bob strike back"

most of it was using his joker voice, which is hands down the greatest portrayal of the joker, ever. the manaiacal and hyesterical bellow followed by that deviously low grumbling laugh... a fucking piece of artwork.

i'd love to see that.




here's my problem with Hamill. Cockknocker is the Hobgoblin is the Joker is the Trickster. All pretty much the same voice/character.


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robin williams, i think, is amongst the funniest people of all time, and an amazingly zany every-fucking-second-is-something-different persona that i think would be pretty sweet. like, an aladin's genie gone insane and villainous.

but that could just be half of the visage -- his stone-faced creepy-as-fuck killer persona in nolan's "insomnia" is the legendary stuff of nightmares. what a wonderful twist it would be to bring forth both of those aspects to the joker character in a heartbeat transition.





he'd be a great choice.

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    Joker Announcement Coming
    Cesar Romero, Jack Nicholson and...
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    July 20, 2006 - After months of speculation about the casting of The Joker in the forthcoming Batman Begins sequel, a large stable of actors have been linked to the part including Jude Law, Robin Williams, Paul Bettany and Steve Buscemi. The Batman rumor mill began churning again this morning and this time it appears that a legit announcement on who will play Batman's arch rival is imminent.

    The final verdict? Heath Ledger.

    The Latino Review website first reported the news this morning, prompting a slew of websites to follow.

    IGN FilmForce looked into the rumor and can confirm, after checking with a number of reliable sources, that it is indeed true. There has been no official confirmation as yet, but we can claim confirmation of the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" variety.

    The final word may come during this weekend's Comic Con 2006 in San Diego, where some sources are claiming that Batman Begins director Christopher Nolan could make an appearance to announce Ledger as The Joker.

    Ledger, who has made a career resurgence of late, is generating strong buzz for his upcoming portrayal of Bob Dylan in Todd Haynes' I'm Not There.

    After a promising start to his career in The Patriot, Monster's Ball and the hit A Knight's Tale, Ledger was headlining "it" lists everywhere. But a series of flops including The Four Feathers, Ned Kelly and The Order put the actor's career in brief jeopardy.

    In 2005, things took a sudden upturn for Ledger, garnering an Oscar-nod for his portrayal of Ennis Del Mar in one of last year's most acclaimed films, Brokeback Mountain. Ledger also received kudos for his amusing portrayal of Skip in Lords of Dogtown.

    Stay tuned to IGN FilmForce for more on this story as it develops.



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I really hope this isn't true. I've never been impressed with Ledgers acting. there are a lot more qualified actors that could play this part.


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...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...




C'mon, a guy who incorporates as many pop culture references into his act as Williams has "fanboy" written all over him.

You just haven't seen the actual words because they are obscured with all that body hair.

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Speaking of fanboy actors...

Jim Carrey is another one. I remember when he was doing interviews for "Batman Forever", there was one he did with Val Kilmer and the rest of the cast in Rolling Stone.

One of the questions was "who is the great love of Batman's life." And Carrey answered "his dead parents."


I always thought it was a shame that Carrey hadn't been the Joker originally.

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Batman Sequel Title Announced

    Batman Sequel Title Announced
    And Warners confirms Joker casting.
    by Stax

    July 31, 2006 - Warner Bros. has announced the title of the next film in the Batman franchise. The Dark Knight will be the name of the Chris Nolan-directed flick. And the studio confirms that Heath Ledger will play the role of The Joker. An official press release is expected on Tuesday, so watch for more news!

    The confirmation comes after rumors had begun to circulate online that Ledger was reluctant to sign on to play The Clown Prince of Crime.

    In other news, The Batman-on-Film.com website reiterates the rumor that the next Batman movie will feature multiple villains, namely Joker and The Penguin. The latter will reportedly be reconceived for the film as "a British arms dealer/mob boss with designs on Gotham."

    And who is said to have been offered the role of The Penguin? Nolan reportedly wants previously rumored candidate Philip Seymour Hoffman, who ironically beat Heath Ledger in this past year's Oscar race for Best Actor. Like Ledger, however, Hoffman is said to be reluctant to join the sequel.

    Finally, a BoF report claims that Ryan Phillippe is in the running for the role of D.A. Harvey Dent, a.k.a. the future Two-Face. Phillippe appeared in last year's Best Picture, Crash, and will next be seen in Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers.


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And the studio confirms that Heath Ledger will play the role of The Joker. An official press release is expected on Tuesday, so watch for more news!




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In other news, The Batman-on-Film.com website reiterates the rumor that the next Batman movie will feature multiple villains, namely Joker and The Penguin. The latter will reportedly be reconceived for the film as "a British arms dealer/mob boss with designs on Gotham."




Ummmmm...okay....

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And who is said to have been offered the role of The Penguin? Nolan reportedly wants previously rumored candidate Philip Seymour Hoffman...




Ummmmm...okay....

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Finally, a BoF report claims that Ryan Phillippe is in the running for the role of D.A. Harvey Dent, a.k.a. the future Two-Face. Phillippe appeared in last year's Best Picture, Crash, and will next be seen in Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers.




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I can live with the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker, but think that Joe Mama is, if anything, too subdued in his reaction to Ryan Philippe as Two Face.

Isn't Two Face supposed to be as big, if not bigger, than Bruce Wayne? Ryan Philippe looks barely taller than his wife, Reese Witherspoon

Liev Schrieber should be Harvey Dent.

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Okay, so another limey's added to the pile. Great.

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I can live with the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker, but think that Joe Mama is, if anything, too subdued in his reaction to Ryan Philippe as Two Face.

Isn't Two Face supposed to be as big, if not bigger, than Bruce Wayne? Ryan Philippe looks barely taller than his wife, Reese Witherspoon

Liev Schrieber should be Harvey Dent.




I don't have the energy to say what I truly think about Heath Ledger as Joker and Ryan Phillippe potentially as Harvey Dent. But you're right, Harvey is at least comparable in size and build as Bruce - Ryan is the type who would get his lunch money stolen and get back at the bully by writing a scathing satirical poem to be published the following week in the school paper. Plus he sucks dead horse cock as an actor. Liev Schrieber would be a better choice. Let Ryan continue to introduce himself as "Mr. Reese Witherspoon".


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Poor guy's never gonna get out of that sweet little girl's shadow...

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I think Mr Reese Witherspoon might be able to pull it off.

I'm pissed about the Penguin being in the movie, I've always disliked that character, but at least it might be Philip Seymour Hoffman.

I love the name. Its a lot better than "begins" or "returns".


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I'm pissed about the Penguin being in the movie,




Agreed, focus needs to be put on the Joker and his (possible) alter ego as the Red Hood. Adding the Penguin could be too much. 'Course I said the same about Scarecrow and Batman Begins didn't suffer. The only thing, I think, that made the movie suffer was Kate Holmes. She's supposed to be coming back for the sequel as well as everyone else (according to Newsarama).

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