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I can't wait for Hillary to denounce him.

Come on, Hillary - get 'em.

• Benedict examined American society, saying he detected anger and alienation, increasing violence and a "growing forgetfulness of God."

Seriously, now that Hillary is an agent of our Lord, smiter of irreverent pastors and defender of the armed faithful, let's hear what she has to say about the Pope, since he pretty much just called Americans bitter.

It's true that small town Americans are racist, gun-toting, religious zealots because of the bad economy. I have no empirical evidence of any of that, but that doesn't matter. A Black man said it. Not just a Black man, but THE Black man.

The one who's going to be our president because if he isn't, then it just proves that Americans can't overcome their disgusting racism. You should be ashamed, BSAMS. Not only for your questioning of a Black man's statements, but simply for your avatar itself. What a disgustingly racist way to photoshop a picture. If you were going to photoshop a pic of Obama, it should be to show him wearing a golden crown on his head while he's rescuing a Black baby from a white man carrying an American flag who's trying to sell that baby crack.

Let's not give Hillary credit she doesn't deserve. Her problem with MoveOn isn't that it's radical or leftist. It's that they aren't supporting her.

MoveOn, in fact, was originally founded to support Bill during the perjury scandal. She was quite fine with them back then.

It's not about principle or beliefs with her on this. It's about who she perceives as sufficiently loyal to her and Bill.

I cry for the put upon white man. Oh looordy, when will the white man achieve justice!!!!

John Kerry's campaign thought like you do to whomod, how'd that work out?

It's not about principle or beliefs with her... It's about who she perceives as sufficiently loyal to her and Bill.

A 10-point advantage that Sen. Barack Obama held over Sen. Hillary Clinton in Gallup's national daily tracking poll just one week ago has vanished - with Gallup reporting Clinton's first marginal lead over Obama among Democratic voters in a month.

Clinton's 46-45 percentage point edge over Obama - a statistical tie, really, but the first time that Democrats have leaned in Clinton's direction since March 18-20 - follows the contentious debate in Philadelphia last week that Obama derided as a "gotcha'' fest but Clinton claimed as a victory.

The newest survey results reported Saturday come from polling April 16-18, including two days following the debate. "Support for Hillary Clinton has been significantly higher in both of these post-debate nights of interviewing than in recent nights,'' Gallup's Frank Newport reports.

Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll, notes that there "has been no change in the general election trial heats, with Obama's margin over Republican John McCain at 45 percent to 44 percent among registered voters nationally, and Clinton's margin holding at 46 to 44 percent.

It's a tie, all the way around -- a remarkable backdrop for the campaign unfolding over the next six and a half months.

Clinton picks up 3 superdelegates.

Which goes on to note:

• Clinton's lead among superdelegates has been narrowing in recent weeks, and she trails Barack Obama in total delegates, including those awarded in primaries and caucuses.

Not necessarily so. If during the same time period Clinton picked up three superdelegates, but Obama picked up more than three, he is narrowing her lead.

Yeah that.

MEM, did you happen to read todays NY Times article? It's really fascinating reading. Clinton's gutter politics, which you still claim is also being done by Obama, as well as her sense of entitlement apparently is turning OFF the superdelegates far and wide and bringing them TO Obama..

Hopefully the end game will be that Hillary ends joining the Lieberman Party and takes Rahm Emmanuel and the rest of the DLC with her..

Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple — they just want a winner in November.

Problem is, after nearly four months of primaries and caucuses in 46 states, territories and the District of Columbia, they still aren't sure who that is, don't seem be in any hurry to make up their minds and aren't interested in any artificial process that might force them to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Most of the more than 100 undecided superdelegates who discussed their decision-making with The Associated Press in the past two weeks agreed that the primaries and caucuses do matter — whether it's who has the most national delegates or the candidate who won their state or congressional district. But few said the primaries will be the biggest factor in their decision.

"I think it's really important that we keep our eye on the prize, and the prize is the win in November," said Gail Rasmussen, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

That's good news for Clinton, who cannot catch Obama in delegates won in the few remaining primaries and caucuses.

Obama has been arguing for months that the superdelegates would be overturning the will of the voters if they don't nominate the candidate who has won the most pledged delegates. He has a 164-delegate lead in that category. Clinton, meanwhile, has argued that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.

Many of the undecided superdelegates say they don't want to be perceived as elite insiders, cutting backroom deals to select a nominee. But that doesn't mean they're ready to forfeit their status.

"The way the system is set up, the superdelegates are able to weigh in because we are the most experienced people in the party," said Blake Johnson, an undecided superdelegate from Alaska. "We are the ones who have been part of the party the longest and keep it running on a day-to-day basis."

There will be nearly 800 superdelegates at the party's national convention in Denver this summer. They are the party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and are free to support whomever they choose. They are in high demand now that neither Clinton nor Obama can clinch the nomination without them.

Clinton leads in superdelegate endorsements, 258-232, according to the latest tally by the AP. However, Obama has been eating away at her lead for much of the past two months, picking up 84 percent of the superdelegate endorsements since Super Tuesday.

About 250 superdelegates have told the AP they are undecided or uncommitted. About 60 more will be selected at state party conventions and meetings this spring.

AP reporters across the nation contacted the undecideds and asked them how they plan to choose. Of those, 117 agreed to discuss the decision-making process.

_About a third said the most important factor will be the candidate who, they believe, has the best chance of beating Republican John McCain in the general election.

_One in 10 said the biggest factor will be the candidate with the most pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses.

_One in 10 said what matters most is who won their state or congressional district in the primary or caucus.

_The rest cited multiple factors or parochial issues.

Most undecided superdelegates surveyed said they hope the nomination is settled before the party's convention. However, by more than a 2-to-1 margin, they said they oppose any formal mechanism, such as a separate primary or caucus, for the superdelegates to decide the nomination.

"I think that is changing the rules in the middle of the process," said Rep. Dan Boren of Oklahoma. "Obviously there are some problems with the process; there need to be some reforms made. Frankly, I would favor the people making the decision rather than insiders and party bosses."

Many undecided superdelegates refused to discuss their decision-making process, showing discomfort with the subject. Eighty-nine undecided superdelegates didn't return repeated phone calls or e-mails in the past two weeks, and 42 refused to discuss their decision when they were contacted.

"If I answer any of those (questions), people might be able to divine which way I am leaning," said Wayne Kinney, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

Even some experienced pols demurred.

"I'm not saying anything," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois superdelegate and a former aide to President Clinton. "There's no value to it."

Having now read the entire NY Times article, the other thing that strikes me is that it's yet-another example of Hillary thinking that Bill's presidency and experience were really "her" presidency and experience.

Many of the people named in the article were people who worked for, or with, BILL Clinton when he was president. These people are now "expected" to support Hillary, simply out of loyalty to Bill.

Why does loyalty to Bill demand supporting Hillary?

How would people in "real life" feel if faced with a demand that, if you once worked for a guy, you must support his WIFE in whatever she did later? I think most would feel the former boss was very unrealistic.

Many people do look at the Bill Clinton's two terms in the White House as a co-presidency.

Heh. That's a Hillary talking point. One that many found odd since everyone can remember the first minutes of one of the debates where Hillary did whine that she was asked the 1st question. Obama has already responded to that though. So responding to Hillary attacks I guess is considered similar "attack" now.

Undecided superdelegates don't feel bound by primaries

So Obama's negative attacks are just merely responses? How was it a response when he milked the sniper fire gaffe? That & other attacks happened even before he flubbed up that last debate & whined about needing to rise above that type of thing. Sorry but Obama's talking points just fall flat when you examine his "responses".