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What I find truly sad is that you & other Obama supporters wanted the process to end once Obama started losing & you've just gotten meaner as it's continued.
um, define "meaner". Like THIS mean? "[T]he Clinton campaign's search for damaging information and its hope that such information exists continues, according to knowledgeable sources." It's amazing to that the ones running a typical Republican lie and smear campaign against Obama constantly claim that they're the ones being victimized. Much to the dismay of anyone paying attention. And the supporters of the scorched earth candidate think everyone else is being mean when they react. Oh BTW: Clinton Team Acknowledges $20 Million DebtA Top Aide Denies Rumors That She Is Seeking VP SlotBy Anne E. Kornblut Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, May 12, 2008; Page A04 CLARKSBURG, W.Va., May 11 -- With her campaign falling ever deeper into debt, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton spent a rainy Mother's Day seeking votes ahead of Tuesday's primary here, turning a deaf ear to calls for her to leave a Democratic presidential contest she has little hope of winning.
Clinton aides continued to insist that she will remain in the race even while confirming that she is $20 million in debt. "The voters are going to decide this," senior adviser Howard Wolfson said on "Fox News Sunday," acknowledging the $20 million figure. "There is no reason for her not to continue this process." Wolfson said he has seen "no evidence of her interest" in pursuing the second-place spot on the Democratic ticket, contrary to rumors that she is staying in the race to leverage a bid for the vice presidential nomination. I scratch my head how Ms. Inevitability is so deep in debt when she's the better candidate and the little unelectable nobody who has burned thru more money still has more states, more voters and more superdelegates AND yet STILL HAS MORE MONEY THAN MS. INEVITABLE 'WHITES WILL VOTE FOR ME'! It must be magic. Black magic. It's also puzzling how the broke candidate thinks she can beat McCain while neck deep in debt..
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Kind of scary when a Wall Street Journal editorial hits the nail on the head: The Clinton Divorce
No, we don't mean Bill and Hillary. We mean the separation now under way between the Clintons and the Democratic Party. Like all divorces after lengthy unions, this one is painful and has had its moments of reconciliation, but after Tuesday a split looks inevitable. The long co-dependency is over....
If the Clintons play to their historic form, they will ignore all this for as long as they can. They will fight on, hoping that something else turns up about Mr. Obama before the convention. Or they'll try to play the Michigan and Florida cards. Or they'll unleash Harold Ickes on the superdelegates and suggest that if Mr. Obama loses in November she'll be back in 2012 and her revenge will be, well, Clintonian.
The difference between now and the 1990s, however, is that this time the Clinton foes aren't the "vast right-wing conspiracy." This time the conspirators are fellow Democrats. It took 10 years, but you might say Democrats have finally voted to impeach. I dunooo.. I'm still betting that tommorow, Hillary's new pal, Richard Mellon Scaife will reveal that Barack Obama really killed Vince Foster.
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Poll: Clinton far ahead in West Virginia
By The Associated Press – 1 hour ago
THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats in West Virginia
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THE NUMBERS
Hillary Rodham Clinton, 60 percent
Barack Obama, 24 percent
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Though Obama seems on the verge of capturing the Democratic nomination, two-thirds in this poll of likely Democratic voters in Tuesday's West Virginia primary said Clinton should stay in the race. Nearly three-quarters said she is not hurting the party by competing in the remaining contests. About four in 10 view Obama unfavorably and about the same number have positive views of him, a bad ratio for a candidate. Just four in 10 say they would vote for the Democratic nominee in this fall's general election if their choice is not the candidate, with nearly a quarter saying they would back Republican John McCain and three in 10 undecided. A 40 percent lead like that should be pretty hard to ignore and this is after the press & Obama supporters have already prematurely corronated him.
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Oh & it looks like it will be two landslide wins in a row according to polling in Kentucky... In Kentucky, which holds its primary on May 20, Clinton was up 58 to 31 percent, in another poll suggesting Obama faces an uncomfortable two weeks.
Huge wins for Clinton in both states will do little to loosen Obama's mathematical advantage in the epic Democratic nominating contest.
But lopsided loses in the two states could underscore the Illinois senator's struggle to win over white, working-class voters, which could be a problem in November's election. but for the good of the party we need to stop competing & just give it to Obama so that he can lose it in the general? 
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Upcoming Clinton Victories Ring Hollow Against Delegate Math- Even if Clinton wins 100 percent of the vote and the accompanying 275 delegates available — including superdelegates — in the six remaining Democratic contests, she will end up short of the 2,025 delegates needed to win the presidential nomination.
Even if Florida and Michigan, which were penalized for holding their primaries early, are counted, it is very difficult for Clinton to overcome Barack Obama in the numbers race.
David Gergen, former White House adviser to Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton, said in an AP Broadcast interview in San Francisco, “She says ‘full steam ahead,’ (but) her problem is that she’s running out of track.”
“She was the inevitable nominee and I think they misjudged what they were up against,” Gergen added. “Along comes this phenomenon named Barack Obama and upsets everybody’s calculations. The real problem in the (Clinton) campaign was that they weren’t adaptable, they were not able to change game plan right in the middle once it looked like they had a real fight on their hands.”
And, please note, this scenario assumes she wins one hundred percent of the delegates form here on, which she obviously won't.
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Well, it costs roughly 1. million a day to campaign in a Presidential race and Hillary, as I posted, is already at least $20. million in the red. So hopefully they'll go broke and have to pimp themselves and heir books rather than actually campaign as Howard Wolfson is already doing, despite his half assed denials.
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I do recognize that Obama has been succesful in somehow making it a rule that whoever has the most pledged delegates wins but the reallity is that you need x amount of pledged delegates to win the nomination. He can't do it & as Howard Dean recently said the two candidates are practically tied. So at this point having more pledged delegates isn't that important once you start looking at who won what & what they can win in the general. With Obama there are several big swing states that are automatically out. What can he replace those with?
BTW West Virginia & Kentucky were won by Bill Clinton both times he ran succesfully for President. Two more gifts for McCain if Obama becomes the nominee.
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Dems want Hillary to stay. If these poll results are accurate, it would tend to disprove the allegation that the majority of the party wants to put the primary behind them and unite behind Obama.
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you mean the media isn't telling us the whole story???
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As expected Hillary wins West Virginia in a landslide. I doubt I could find that headline anywhere though. Apparently the press has also decided that this win or anything will not prevent Obama from losing the nomination that they say he has already. How can they know how a landslide win or two will effect such a close election?
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So, MEM, you're unhappy because you feel like the press is unfairly favoring the more liberal candidate over your choice?
Welcome to our world.
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Oh, by the way, here's the frontpage graphic on her victory from, of all places, Fox News:  Talk about strange bedfellows. Here's MEM, one of the most solidly democrat members of the board, complaining about media coverage of a top ranking party official, and the one site that gives her the coverage he thinks she deserves is the one news site that democrats tend to accuse of being the unofficial house organ of the GOP.
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So, MEM, you're unhappy because you feel like the press is unfairly favoring the more liberal candidate over your choice?
Welcome to our world.
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The Republican Party. Some of it is just so blatant though. Tim Russert saying last week that the dems now have a nominee for example. Errr no we don't. That doesn't happen till the convention. Russert did more than just favor Obama, he got down on his knees, presented Obama his media nomination crown & then proceeded to suck him off. This gay boy didn't find it fun to watch at all!
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But MEM...how is there ANY realiatic way that Hillary wins the nomination?
What people are sayong iss that, short of some catastrophic gaffe or some super negative piece of information that makes Rev. Wright look like a tea party, there is no way the numbers work for her to win the nom. Short of the superdelegates taking it away...which ain't gonna happen...the math does not work.
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the government invented math to kill black people!
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Yep.
Then they invented Magnum condoms to make white guys hate us even more...
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At she's a woman. I think it would be more worrisome if he'd jerked off to a picture of Bill Clinton or, in your case, Socks, the Clinton's cat. Have you ever jerked off thinking about Chelsea? Maybe a Chelsea/Hillary combo?
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No. Neither of them are particularly jerk worthy, though I probably wouldnt kick Chelsea out of bed. She's got a "meh" face but a nice enough body.
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But MEM...how is there ANY realiatic way that Hillary wins the nomination?
What people are sayong iss that, short of some catastrophic gaffe or some super negative piece of information that makes Rev. Wright look like a tea party, there is no way the numbers work for her to win the nom. Short of the superdelegates taking it away...which ain't gonna happen...the math does not work. The electoral math doesn't work at all for Obama though. And while she's not going to be able to end with more pledged delegates, she does have a chance at having a claim on the popular vote. I do think she needs the popular vote to give the superdelegates some shelter to pick her but the real reason would be that they know Obama can't win the electoral college in a general election. Really what can he pick up to make up for all the swing states that he won't be able to win in a general?
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Why would you assume that Obama won't be able to win the vote against a republican in the general just because he lost a primary against Hillary? That is the part that just doesn't make sense whenever I hear Hillary or one of her surrogates say it.
Not to mention, if she's actually going to work as hard as she can to get him elected, she's will be able to campaign for him in those swings states and get the vote out for him. The only state that I think he can write off is West Virginia...it was a mistake to not put any effort there at all. Hillary was definitely going to win but, at least get out there for a few rallies at the college campuses if nothing else. He probably won't need the 5 electoral votes but, why give them away if you don't have to?
Further, Obama's electoral map is different from Dems in the past. He can make inroads in states that Dems haven't competed well in the past....Iowa, Missouri, North Carolina, Georgia, Colorado, Virginia. He can afford to lose a state like Ohio or Pennsylvania if he can get several of the others.
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Polling has also shown that Hillary can win those swing states but that Obama cannot against McCain. Sure Obama has a chance at maybe picking up some others but I don't see where it's near enough to win.
BTW Obama intentially didn't contest West Virginia. He strategically didn't because it would have focussed more attention on his inability to win the blue collar vote & given more weight to a Hillary win. After all how could the storyline for the media be that those results don't matter if Obama was down there alot trying to win votes? He does have a very good campaign, I'll give him that.
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say... whatever happened to Hillary Clinton? She seems to have dropped off the face of the earth these past couple of days. Low key exit strategy or just flat out broke and uninteresting anymore?
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say...
whatever happened to Hillary Clinton?
She seems to have dropped off the face of the earth these past couple of days? : Clinton eyes upcoming primaries, tries to muscle her way back into political dialogue after being yanked off stage
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That girl who played Hillary did a half decent imitation of Gloria Swanson but she was way too young and cute for the part.
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say... whatever happened to Hillary Clinton? She seems to have dropped off the face of the earth these past couple of days. Low key exit strategy or just flat out broke and uninteresting anymore? Well as your link shows she just got done defending Obama from President Bush. She could have exploited it but instead helped Obama. What a bitch heh? It seems to me if she doesn't win the nomination this time around she'll be well positioned in '12 if she's interested in running.
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I think that's why she has fought so long, so in '12 when she goes up against McCain no one will try and challenge her for the nomination...
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Please refer to him as "president elect McCain" from now on.
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I think that's why she has fought so long, so in '12 when she goes up against McCain no one will try and challenge her for the nomination... Actually I think it's a given that she will be strongly challenged in a '12 run. Obama for starters, no matter how bad he loses the general would almost certainley be back. I think she's mostly fighting because she still has a chance at getting the nomination however slim. That & the fighter image is really a part of who she is.
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You do realize that Hillary Clinton has almost literally fallen of the face of the Earth. She's gone thru several news cycles with nothing but her staffers saying the floor has fallen out from under them following the Obama/Edwards coup that pretty much completely blew out her blowout the day before. She's a non-entity as by all appearances, the general election is already underway what with all the misinformation being disseminated by Bush/McCain (or McBush if you like) specifically against Barak Obama. Hillary doesn't matter to the media nor to the Republicans anymore either. The only real news I heard about Clinton is her defending Obama from the Right wing slander about appeasement and Hamas. Which is another indicator that she knows she's done. This too is a fascinating article. Hillary's staff talks about why she lost. "The way we handled you guys was a mistake on our part. What we're hearing is that we truly treated people badly and weren't accessible enough or open enough. We had bad relationships with reporters, and it probably bit us on the ass."
"We ran a press operation that lost all credibility with the press through endless and pointless memos like, 'Where's the Bounce?' and polling memos that cherry-picked only positive polls when we were up and ignored polling when we were down."
"Even among Clinton spokespeople long known for their heavy-handed ways, Phil Singer stood out for his all-too-common and accepted profanity-laced tirades and abusive behavior--both at colleagues and the media, who were all too happy to direct his comeuppance toward Hillary at a time she needed them most." with Andrea Mitchell sums it up. Hillary knows it's all over. If I had to make any predictions, I'd say it'll be all over after Oregon and Tennessee on Tuesday. But that may just be some real optimism on my part. Regardless, when your campaign is all but invisible, it's pretty much over in everything but the speech and press release anyways.
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Considering that Hillary is likely to have a couple more big wins coming her way I don't see why she would drop out at this point. And while you want your guy to win, he hasn't yet nor is he entitled to it just be given to him. Hillary will likely finish the process with more people having voted for her & be positioned as the one who would do best in a general election & it's electoral college.
BTW I don't blame Obama for going with the spin that he's simply to busy to be able to campaign in Kentucky. It looks like another huge loss by voters who are still interested in voting for Hillary Clinton.
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say... whatever happened to Hillary Clinton? She seems to have dropped off the face of the earth these past couple of days. Low key exit strategy or just flat out broke and uninteresting anymore? I think all the people her campaign has stiffed have her cornered somewhere.
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Looks like Oregon isn't the sure win for Obama it looked to be. Newest poll shows Hillary has closed the gap down to 4 points. Boston.com Sorry Whomod but it looks like voters know where Hillary is 
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