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Then, why did you try and turn this thread into a debate about my party affiliations? Perhaps, I've actually commented on the subject, and you made it about me... 
You know, all this time you spend making out with G-Man in every thread could be spent finally doing a random interview like you promised us years ago.
You're almost as bad as Dave.
MisterJLA is RACKing awesome.
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Careful what you wish for. You never know who his next intereview might be.  And, for the record, I will neither confirm nor deny that Promod is obsessively PMing me with requests for an interview.
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Of course....it could be interesting...hmmm...
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You know, all this time you spend making out with G-Man in every thread could be spent finally doing a random interview like you promised us years ago.
You're almost as bad as Dave.
And, btw, I've got some interviews "out" right now. I'm just waiting for the answers to be sent to me so I can post them...
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So, tell us, Pro. What about McCain appeals to you?
His stance on the war? His views on abortion? His views on taxes?
What exactly does a person such as yourself see in John McCain's views?
He's not Hillary Clinton...
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Well, hell, Pro, by that logic, I guess you'll be endorsing pretty much anyone the GOP runs. Welcome to the fold.
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And, btw, I've got some interviews "out" right now. I'm just waiting for the answers to be sent to me so I can post them...
That's not random!
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Well, hell, Pro, by that logic, I guess you'll be endorsing pretty much anyone the GOP runs. Welcome to the fold.
I'll get back to you after I sell my soul...
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We don't take damaged goods.
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Explain the President!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
Oh yeah. That was good. I killed.
Oh. Sniff. Good times...
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He was okay when we got him. But six years of wear and tear can really take a toll.
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Did you ever notice how Clinton's hair went stark white during his time in office? I mean, talk about stress. At least Bush already had that Texan rawhide, leathery-ranch face. It's held up alot better than Clinton's pudding cheeks ever did...
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Yeah, Clinton really aged. I guess fucking an ugly fat chick can really take a toll on a man.
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MCCAIN TO GOP: LESS IS MORESen. John McCain stirred the 2008 political pot yesterday by creating a presidential exploratory committee and calling on fellow Republicans to return to the principles of "commonsense conservatism" that powered them to past victories.
"We lost our principles and our majority. And there is no way to recover our majority without recovering our principles first," McCain said in a speech to the Federalist Society, a conservative legal group.
He said voters swept out the Republicans from the leadership of both houses of Congress because the party went away from its principal vision of less government.
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Matter-eater Man said:I can also say I've been consistent with McCain & plan to do so if he winds up winning the Republican primary. I like him now & I'll like him in '08.
Bullshit. You'll be crawling all over yourself to attack him. And build up support for the Democratic nominee. Your record precedes you my friend.
As for your other allegation that I'll support McCain if he's the GOP nominee in 2008 despite my misgivings, you're right. He's not my first choice for the GOP nod, for reasons I've explained, but he's obviously closer to me politically than either Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.
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My record is one of consistent support of McCain G-man. If I hadn't meant it I wouldn't have said it. I'm just not as one-sided as you. For you any Dem presidential candidate will be painted as something terrible no matter the merit behind your accusations. I understand thats how the political game is played but it renders your claims of bullshit...well, as bullshit. Your record precedes you buddy.
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We'll see, MEM. We'll see.
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Not really much to see G-man. Our records pretty much say it all. I knew when I said that I would continue to like McCain in '08 you would dog it now & use it to your advantage later on when McCain wins the primary. It always come down to stratagy with you.
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So you're admitting that you'll flip flop on McCain once he wins?
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My record is one of consistent support of McCain G-man. If I hadn't meant it I wouldn't have said it.
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I just realized, MEM, that what's confounding you is that the fact that, given your own slavish devotion to the Democratic party, that you can't understand that a person such a myself can criticize aspects of a GOP candidate and still think he's better than another candidate.
I've expressed reservations about McCain. I've explained why I have reservations. I've explained why I prefer Guiliani to McCain and McCain to Clinton and Obama.
You, not being able to criticize a member of your own party under any circumstance, are having trouble accepting that some people can do that.
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So you're admitting that you'll flip flop on McCain once he wins?
No just stateing that I knew that was something you would dog now & then hold me to later. If I was more like you I would have been more strategic in my support for McCain but I really like & respect him. To me it becomes pointless discussing politics if it all comes down to just really supporting blue over red no matter what.
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I just realized, MEM, that what's confounding you is that the fact that, given your own slavish devotion to the Democratic party, that you can't understand that a person such a myself can criticize aspects of a GOP candidate and still think he's better than another candidate.
I've expressed reservations about McCain. I've explained why I have reservations. I've explained why I prefer Guiliani to McCain and McCain to Clinton and Obama.
You, not being able to criticize a member of your own party under any circumstance, are having trouble accepting that some people can do that.
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You, not being able to criticize a member of your own party under any circumstance, are having trouble accepting that some people can do that.
Bullshit. I've said I don't think Obama has the experience to run as President. I also said the same thing about Hillary about an 04 run for President.
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That's not criticism. That's handicapping.
Show me a single instance that doesn't involve windsuring, where you've said a democrat is wrong...without saying "but the republicans are worse when they do it."
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More BS. If Obama wins the primary I'm left with a candidate that I've said I don't feel has the experience to be President. You would never criticise a major GOP candidate in that way. Or would you like to write some off here & now for '08 instead of merely "handicapping" them as you've done with McCain?
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So if its Obama vs McCain, you'll support McCain?
That's what you're saying? You'll commit to that here and now with no qualification?
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That would be likely. It could be that I end up voting for a Republican if it's McCain VS Obama. The experience thing does really matter to me & McCain is moderate enough where I think he'll be a leader for all Americans.
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No, I asked if you would commit to McCain, not whether you were "likely" to vote for him.
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No that's just stupid. To put what your asking for in perspective, I wouldn't commit to voting for Clinton over whoever ends up on the GOP ticket either. I think she's great now but there is always a chance something happens in the next two years where I wouldn't want to see her win. I think the difference between us is you'll vote & fight dirty for a bad candidate if it's from your party. There can be no good Dem candidates for you.
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My record is one of consistent support of McCain G-man. If I hadn't meant it I wouldn't have said it. I'm just not as one-sided as you. For you any Dem presidential candidate will be painted as something terrible no matter the merit behind your accusations. I understand thats how the political game is played but it renders your claims of bullshit...well, as bullshit. Your record precedes you buddy.
I've seen that you consistently voice a liking for McCain, M E M.
And while I think you like him, I don't think even you can say for certain whether you'll still prefer him to any of the Democrats offered. (And I don't mean that in an ulterior motives way, I simply mean it in an attitudes and issues change way.)
I was disappointed with Bush in early '04, and was determined not to vote for him, but when Kerry was the alternative, I voted Bush.
In past elections, I would have voted Lloyd Bentsen for president over Bush Sr.
Or Sam Nunn.
If I was old enough, I would have voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.
And I wish Joseph Lieberman was a candidate. I would have voted for him in 2000, or '04, if he'd been offered.
Joseph Biden (despite his penchant for candid and politically incorrect remarks) is another good choice, with extensive defense and foreign policy experience.
Democrat senator James Webb is another credible choice, perhaps in 2012.
But the Democrats seem to always select someone from the extreme left wing of the party as their nominee. If they'd pick from the center, they might finally have a shot at winning.
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They got Bill Clinton in the White House by picking a (comparatively) moderate figure with a decent amount of charisma who didn't consistently come across as either spineless or Satan.
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They got Bill Clinton in the White House by picking a (comparatively) moderate figure with a decent amount of charisma who didn't consistently come across as either spineless or Satan.
Ross Perot got Bill Clinton in the White House the same way Nader got Dubya in in 2000.
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Ross Perot got Bill Clinton in the White House the same way Nader got Dubya in in 2000.
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