The Dan Blocker and John Wayne id's should be ashamed of themselves. Those men still have relatives living; and, if anything, the Insurgents have taught us all that you can't make fake id's involving peoples' family members. That's just wrong.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
The Dan Blocker and John Wayne id's should be ashamed of themselves. Those men still have relatives living; and, if anything, the Insurgents have taught us all that you can't make fake id's involving peoples' family members. That's just wrong.
Not even close to the same, dumbass. Nobodies messing with their kids.
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
The Senate Intelligence Committee finally issued its report on prewar intelligence during build up to the Iraq War -- and in the very nice language of the U.S. Senate -- the report confirms that Bush lied to the American people about the Iraq War:
Quote:
The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:
Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
Republican Senators fought very hard to prevent the release of this intel report back in 2004 to insure Bush's re-election. And, they wouldn't release this report back in 2006 to protect their own re-elections. All that delay has resulted in the release of this report in 2008 -- leaving John McCain to defend the Bush Iraq war agenda. In some ways, it was worth the wait.
And again, it's a report that Bush and the Republicans didn't want to see the light of day since it was at odds with all the bullshit they've been feeding their gullible sheeple. Well, the truth is out and again, all you guys were wrong.
A shame over 4000 American troops had to die for your guys' stupidity though.
Not to belabor a point but you guys really are stupid fucks. This pretty much corroborates every critic the right ever slandered and called UnAmerican.
No wonder Bush and the Republicans tried to bury this for years on end.
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
doctor doesn't know his epidermus from his gluteus maximus.
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
thedoctor doesn't know his epidermis from his gluteus maximus.
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
thedoctor doesn't know his epidermis from his gluteus maximus.
you also omitted
Don't you have a video game to play or a pokemon to catch?
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
thedoctor doesn't know his epidermis from his gluteus maximus.
you also omitted
There. Fixed it for you.
the fruits of your unquestioning support and the fruits of your unrelenting attacks on anyone who would offer an alternative perspective.
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
thedoctor doesn't know his epidermis from his gluteus maximus.
you also omitted
There. Fixed it for you.
the fruits of your unquestioning support and the fruits of your unrelenting attacks on anyone who would offer an alternative perspective.
Enjoy.
Sammitch would much rather imagine I'm gay then live in the real world.
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
thedoctor doesn't know his epidermis from his gluteus maximus.
you also omitted
There. Fixed it for you.
the fruits of your unquestioning support and the fruits of your unrelenting attacks on anyone who would offer an alternative perspective.
Enjoy.
Sammitch would much rather imagine [that] I'm gay than live in the real world.
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
thedoctor doesn't know his epidermis from his gluteus maximus.
you also omitted
There. Fixed it for you.
the fruits of your unquestioning support and the fruits of your unrelenting attacks on anyone who would offer an alternative perspective.
Enjoy.
Sammitch would much rather imagine [that] I'm gay than live in the real world.
A shame over 4000 American troops had to die for your guys' stupidity though.
Yes, ignore the estimated 300,000 Iraqis that Saddam had killed in his 24 year reign.
300,000 over 24 years vs 400,000 over 5 years. Hmm
Not to mention 400,000 troops + Iraqi casualties.
But even 400,000 is a lying cocksucker's exaggeration for the estimated casualties of Iraq civilians. Here's a more serious site, that estimates the casualties at 84,000 to 92,000
The articles I've read said Saddam Hussein killed between 800,000 and 1 million of his people. They're still digging up the bodies in mass graves, and genetically testing the remains to identify them, against a database of DNA samples from those who have reported relatives abducted by Saddam Hussein's government.
Similar exhumation and testing is still going on in Bosnia as well.
A shame over 4000 American troops had to die for your guys' stupidity though.
Yes, ignore the estimated 300,000 Iraqis that Saddam had killed in his 24 year reign.
300,000 over 24 years vs 400,000 over 5 years. Hmm
Not to mention 400,000 troops + Iraqi casualties.
THe articles I've read said Saddam Hussein killed between 800,000 and 1 million of his people. They're still digging up the bodies in mass graves, and genetically testing the remains to identify them, against a database of dna samples from those who have reported relatives absucted by Saddam Hussein's government.
Similar exhumation and testing is still going on in Bosnia as well.
You mean the articles you pulled out of your ass cause you are a right wing tool? Try getting Pat Buchanons cock out of your mouth and come back to reality.
A shame over 4000 American troops had to die for your guys' stupidity though.
Yes, ignore the estimated 300,000 Iraqis that Saddam had killed in his 24 year reign.
300,000 over 24 years vs 400,000 over 5 years. Hmm
Not to mention 400,000 troops + Iraqi casualties.
THe articles I've read said Saddam Hussein killed between 800,000 and 1 million of his people. They're still digging up the bodies in mass graves, and genetically testing the remains to identify them, against a database of dna samples from those who have reported relatives absucted by Saddam Hussein's government.
Similar exhumation and testing is still going on in Bosnia as well.
You mean the articles you must have pulled out of your ass because my favorite talking heads didn't say it first? Try getting Pat Buchanan's cock out of your mouth - I'll be leaving whomod's in mine - and come back to reality.
"Sites have been discovered in all regions of the country and contain members of every major religious and ethnic group in Iraq as well as foreign nationals, including Kuwaitis and Saudis. Over 250 sites have been reported [as of this article, December 19, 2003], of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date. Over one million Iraqis are believed to be missing in Iraq as a result of executions, wars and defections, of whom hundreds of thousands are thought to be in mass graves."
I've also posted many similar articles over the years to document what I say, as opposed to you just talking out your ass, Halo.
The http://www.iraqbodycount.org site is one run by journalists whose liberal politics and animosity toward the Bush administration probably is closer to your POV than mine. And even they, at the outer edge of inflated numbers, estimate at most 92,000 Iraqi civilian deaths since the war began in 2003.
"Sites have been discovered in all regions of the country and contain members of every major religious and ethnic group in Iraq as well as foreign nationals, including Kuwaitis and Saudis. Over 250 sites have been reported [as of this article, December 19, 2003], of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date. Over one million Iraqis are believed to be missing in Iraq as a result of executions, wars and defections, of whom hundreds of thousands are thought to be in mass graves."
No shit. Millions of Iraqis have been exiled from Iraq. Right now we are talking about the people who have been killed. At this rate in 24 years we'll have doubled what Saddam did.
No shit. Millions of Iraqis have been exiled from Iraq. Right now we are talking about the people who have been killed. At this rate in 24 years we'll have doubled what Saddam did.
"Sites [mass graves] have been discovered in all regions of the country and contain members of every major religious and ethnic group in Iraq as well as foreign nationals, including Kuwaitis and Saudis. Over 250 sites have been reported [as of this article, December 19, 2003], of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date. Over one million Iraqis are believed to be missing in Iraq as a result of executions, wars and defections, of whom hundreds of thousands are thought to be in mass graves."
Apparently you haven't mastered reading.
Tool.
Those who have fled Iraq, or migrated within, to escape violence (at the peak of the ethnic violence, which again, is not American-induced casualties) were estimated to be about two million, who fled to other parts of Iraq, or to neighboring Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere.
Many have returned since things have quieted down.
No shit. Millions of Iraqis have been exiled from Iraq. Right now we are talking about the people who have been killed. At this rate in 24 years we'll have doubled what Saddam did.
"Sites [mass graves] have been discovered in all regions of the country and contain members of every major religious and ethnic group in Iraq as well as foreign nationals, including Kuwaitis and Saudis. Over 250 sites have been reported [as of this article, December 19, 2003], of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date. Over one million Iraqis are believed to be missing in Iraq as a result of executions, wars and defections, of whom hundreds of thousands are thought to be in mass graves."
Apparently you haven't mastered reading.
Tool.
Those who have fled Iraq, or migrated within, to escape violence (at the peak of the ethnic violence, which again, is not American-induced casualties) were estimated to be about two million, who fled to other parts of Iraq, or to neighboring Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere.
Many have returned since things have quieted down.
You really are a dumb bastard. The number of people who are exiled overthere has nothing to do with the body count you robot.
A shame over 4000 American troops had to die for your guys' stupidity though.
Yes, ignore the estimated 300,000 Iraqis that Saddam had killed in his 24 year reign.
300,000 over 24 years vs 400,000 over 5 years. Hmm
Not to mention 400,000 troops + Iraqi casualties.
The people who've published those gigantic numbers have no scientific method to their study. Essentially, they asked Iraqis how many people they think have died and add the numbers together. At best the number can be estimated to about 150,000 (a grotesque number for sure, despite what your leanings on the war are), which is hardly the 400,000 to 1 million that many anti-war sites are claiming. Again, these are estimated deaths. So far we can prove 300,000+ deaths due to Saddam's orders with many more suspected of being out there. Then again, you don't seem too concerned about that. And people wonder how the tragedies of Darfur or Nazi Germany can happen without anyone attempting to stop them.
x the holocaust
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
but it's so nice that thedoctor thinks over 4000 of our soldiers alongside thousands of Iraqi's dead was all to avenge Sadaam being a genocidal dictator. Gassing and killing his own people (with our weapons) certainly was the reason we went into Iraq while letting Osama Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
thedoctor doesn't know his epidermis from his gluteus maximus.
you also omitted
There. Fixed it for you.
the fruits of your unquestioning support and the fruits of your unrelenting attacks on anyone who would offer an alternative perspective.
Enjoy.
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
Originally Posted By: Halo82
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
Originally Posted By: whomod
A shame over 4000 American troops had to die for your guys' stupidity though.
Yes, ignore the estimated 300,000 Iraqis that Saddam had killed in his 24 year reign.
300,000 over 24 years vs 400,000 over 5 years. Hmm
Not to mention 400,000 troops + Iraqi casualties.
The people who've published those gigantic numbers have no scientific method to their study. Essentially, they asked Iraqis how many people they think have died and add the numbers together. At best the number can be estimated to about 150,000 (a grotesque number for sure, despite what your leanings on the war are), which is hardly the 400,000 to 1 million that many anti-war sites are claiming. Again, these are estimated deaths. So far we can prove 300,000+ deaths due to Saddam's orders with many more suspected of being out there. Then again, you don't seem too concerned about that. And people wonder how the tragedies of Darfur or Nazi Germany can happen without anyone attempting to stop them.
x the holocaust
Yes yes, arguing about what a dickhead Sadaam was doesn't change the fact that we didn't go into Iraq to avenge his victims not does it change the fact that the method used to gather how many victims died under Sadaam is about the same methodology used to gauge the Iraq war dead.
So it's a pointless distraction either way. The point is that there is a report that Bush has spent YEARS suppressing that calls the fuckhead a liar on what we've been told about the war and it (yet again) corroborates his critics.
And Halo sucking dick pictures might make you all feel good. But this was never a game. Because of the tacit unquestioning approval of people like you guys and because of the hounding of anyone who opposed or questioned these lies, it was allowed to go on for YEARS already. That's real dead American soldiers, never mind the dead Iraqi's, on YOUR hands, people. And pictures of dick suckings and childish insults doesn't change that. It just goes to show just what mindless childish bullies took our country hostage for too too long. the good thing is that historically, it didn't go too well for the McCarthyites, after they fell from power and influence either.
Former antiterorism advisor Richard Clark concurs. "They made things up"
We can't pretend nothing happened when there are over 4,000 dead, 25,000 wounded. Someone should have to pay for the decisions they made to mislead the American people"
Former antiterorism advisor Richard Clark concurs. "They made things up"
"We can't pretend nothing happened when there are over 4,000 dead, 25,000 wounded. Someone should have to pay for the decisions they made to mislead the American people"
Originally Posted By: rex
You're a piece of shit retard who makes fun of dead soldiers.
Yes yes, arguing about what a dickhead Sadaam was doesn't change the fact that we didn't go into Iraq to avenge his victims not does it change the fact that the method used to gather how many victims died under Sadaam is about the same methodology used to gauge the Iraq war dead.
So it's a pointless distraction either way. The point is that there is a report that Bush has spent YEARS suppressing that calls the fuckhead a liar on what we've been told about the war and it (yet again) corroborates his critics.
And Halo sucking dick pictures might make you all feel good. But this was never a game. Because of the tacit unquestioning approval of people like you guys and because of the hounding of anyone who opposed or questioned these lies, it was allowed to go on for YEARS already. That's real dead American soldiers, never mind the dead Iraqi's, on YOUR hands, people. And pictures of dick suckings and childish insults doesn't change that. It just goes to show just what mindless childish bullies took our country hostage for too too long. the good thing is that historically, it didn't go too well for the McCarthyites, after they fell from power and influence either.
The report said that Iraq didn't try to buy uranium from Africa, but it also said that the intelligence on Iraq did say that Saddam had restarted his chemical and nuclear weapons program. It was the intelligence, not Bush, that was wrong on that. The same intelligence that Clinton, Kerry, and even John Rockefeller said was true prior to the Bush administration taking office. I'll admit that al Quiada wasn't involved with Iraq as long as you also admit that terrorist training camps were in fact discovered in Iraq.
This report changes nothing for me as it in no way has provided any information to contradict the reasons I supported the war with the exception of the faulty intelligence on the nuclear program (a fact that's been in public knowledge for years). I agreed with going to war with Iraq though I may not have agreed or believed all of Bush's reasons to. I still think that it was a good idea. I just feel that it wasn't handled properly from the get-go, and I give Bush and his administration the responsibility for that.
See, you like to say that I just follow what Bush says blindly because it's just another way for you to discount my opinion. It ignores the fact that I've said (repeatedly) that I disagree with many of his policies before on this very board. I disagree with his education plan, creation of more government bureaucracy, his inability to cut useless government spending, and the detaining of the Gitmo prisoners without trial among others. But, then again, I'm only capable of toeing the Bush line. So I guess I'm just going to have to follow this super secret memo that I've just received from the White House and tell you to go fuck yourself.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
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