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After reading this for the 3rd time I've come to the conclusion that it was only created to cast doubt through dubious assumptions. The one I have the most problem with is the unsupported notion that radio-decay is not constant and without support the author claims that you can not trust the decay of Uranium.
However, all scientific evidence suggests that decay is constant by element. We've built applications based on this vary notion, see Atomic Clocks for one.
In another article on the site I found this sentence; "So far, no known environmental factors have been able to significantly cause the decay rates to vary. For this reason, I will have to bite the bullet and accept that it is reasonable to assume the decay rate is constant .."
Though this article too seems only created to cast doubt, and offers no substantial proof that the process is flawed.
The closest they come is saying, and I paraphrase; "there's room for error so why trust it all?" Which is the same tired argument that has been shutdown time and time again.
I have no problem doing an about-face on any issue, but you do have to meet some sort of burden. Casting doubt through questionable assumptions isn't the same as proof.
Last edited by The Dread Pirate Westley; 2008-08-093:51 PM.
Written by Thomas Tantillo Silver Surfer is a property of Marvel Comics and is used without permission.
Silver Surfer #1 The Obsessed.
Page 1
Panel 1: Looking out into the cosmos seeing only stars.
1 Cap: Looking up into the heavens a boy once wished for nothing more then roam among the stars. He and his kin had everything they could ever want yet the boy needed more.
Panel 2: Focusing in we see a bright light in the distance.
2 Cap: He was a born explorer and like all explorers he was possessed by desire that he could not define. A yearning to find something deeper in all around him.
Panel 3: Coming closer we see the light streaking through the cosmos.
3 Cap: I came to pass that the boy's boys wishes would come true when he made a noble, yet self serving, sacrifice to become the herald to Galactus the Devourer of worlds.
Panel 4: Now we're close enough to see that there are two distinctly diffrent lights. One orange followed by blue.
4 Cap: Not only did he get to roam with the stars but he became one with them. He became.
Page 2
Splash: Silver Surfer chasing after Firelord.
5 Cap: ...The Silver Surfer.
6 Cap: He and I have engaged in a tit for tat for years now. He is my greatest obsession. And he is not without his own compulsions. Like all explorers he never stops searching. Even now he searches for the slightest possibility of redemption for a foe he once considered friend.
7 Silver Surfer: End this mad rampage Perilous Kryl.
8 FireLord: My name is Firelord. Whatever remained of Perilous Kryl was left behind in the cold corridors of death.
Page 3
Panel 1: Silver Surfer unleashes powerful blasts from his hands towards Firelord.
9 Silver Surfer: And now you dispense that which you abhor.
Panel 2: Firelord spins his staff shielding him from the Surfers blasts.
11 Firelord: The Kree are a disease. It is time they taste of extinction so they may no longer brutishly leave death and destruction in their wake.
Panel 3: The right side of Surfers face and shoulder. He has a stern look while he tries to reason with FireLord.
12 Surfer: No love have I for the Kree but they are not the only one who have fell before your pharisaic wrath.
Panel 4: The left side of Firelords face and shoulder as he harshly rebukes Surfers reasoning.
13 FireLord: All scum. Perhaps if "heroes" such as yourself had taken firmer action years ago with the Kree or Skrull their victims wouldn't number so high. Perhaps Annihilation would not have caused such carnage with his Wave. Carnage that you missed while once again in thrall to Galactus.
Panel 5: Surfer and Firelord speeding toward eachother.
14 Surfer: And what would you have me do with you Perlous?
15 Firelord: I'd have you stay out of my way.
16 Surfer: That I cannot do.
Panel 6: The left side Firelords face with his eye squinted and focused.
17 Firelord: Very well.
Page 4
Panel 1: Mephisto watching a massive and yet splendidly beautiful explosion from a distance standing on a asteroid.
18 Cap: The power Galactus has givin his Heralds is uncanny. Firelord has created a supernova engulfing them both in a magnifient yet catastrophic explosion. Most amazing of all is that neither of them will be harmed by the blast so I'm not quite sure why Firelord has envoked this stratagy but I'm sure he had his reasons.
Panel 2: Seeing Mephisto from the side as the waves of the Supernova pass by him.
19 Cap: It is unbecoming of one such as I to express sentiment but there are exceptions. How could I not appreciate the splendor of a Supernova. Our roles in the scheme of things are actually quite akin when I too bring out the beauty in death, destruction, and tragedy.
Page 5
Panel 1: The Surfer, having been laid low, rises from his board looking around for Firelord.
20 Cap: Ah, now I see Firelords purpose for that Supernova. A means of escape.
Panel 2: Firelord camoflaged with the darkness of space behind the Surfer.
21 Cap: He has rather cleverly cloaked himself in dark matter.
Panel 3: Surfer peering into space with his eyes illuminated looking for Firelord.
22 Cap: With his Galactus givin sight, which can see across galaxies, Surfer undoubtedly sees the pocket of Dark Matter but assumes it's a result of the explosion.
Panel 4: Surfer suddenly sees something that horrifies him.
23 Cap: Eventually Surfer would figure it out but...
Panel 5: Over Surfer's shoulder we see Mephisto in the distance.
25 Cap: Like all explorers he's easily distracted.
Page 6
Panel 1: Surfer gets to where Mephisto was standing only to find no one there. He looks around bewildered.
26 Cap: Perhaps he'll assume the explosion has upset his senses. Or not. Either way I've provideded Firelord the space he needs to escape. Which serves my purposes for another day.
Panel 2: From a chest level view we look to see Surfer staring intently at the stars.
27 Surfer: I know you can hear me Kryl. Beware.
Panel 3: Surfer leaving the scene behind with some final words.
28 Surfer: There are deeper and darker abysses then death to fall into.
29 Cap: HA. There certainly are.
Panel 4: Firelord leaving with a heavy brow.
Page 7
Panel 1: Surfer riding the spaceways.
30 Cap: There are many misconceptions of the Surfer. For one, he's not a warrior. Battle and hate have very taxing affects on him. Between my looming presence in his mind and his donnybrook with Firelord he is in need of repast.
Panel 2: Surfer looking into the distance with a slight look of glee.
31 Cap: And what better place to gather his thoughts.
Panel 3: A light blue spot among the starts.
32 Cap: Then Earth. The world he has all but adopted as his own.
Page 8
Panel 1: Surfer entering Earths atmosphere.
33 Cap: I cannot read minds but in the case of the Silver Surfer I do not need to. I know why he returns to a world that once served as his prison for years. I know why he returns to a world that has disheartened and infuriated him at every turn.
34 Cap: It reminds him of Zenn-La
Page 9
Panel 1: Surfer soaring over the ocean.
33 Cap: Far less advanced and civilized but in terms of visage the geography and people are very similiar.
Panel 2: With his hands behind his back Surfer moves slowly a few feet above the ocean, staring down at the waves.
34 Cap: He sacrificed his freedom long ago so that Zenn La would be spared but it turned out it was a sacrifice in vain since the world had been ravaged again and again till meeting it's final doom.
35 Cap: He would never speak the words but he is almost glad that Zenn La is at final peace. But from time to time he enjoys being reminded of his homeworld and it's enchanting traquility.
Panel 3: Surfer flying through the Tibetan mountains.
36 Cap: There is another reason though.
Panel 4: Surfer walking through the snow.
37 Cap: Of all the worlds Surfer has tread upon...
Panel 5: A stone door hidden among the rocks is ajar.
38 Cap: ...Earth is one of the few that manage to surprise him.
Panel 6: Surfer with a look of curiousity on his face.
Page 10
Panel 1: The Shadows of two boys playing on the walls as Silver Surfer walks forward.
39 Mutt: You won't catch me Spider-man.
40 Eight: Oh yes I will Green Goblin.
Panel 2: A mutant boy who has 6 arms and 8 eyes hangs from the wall shooting webs out of his hands at his friend.
41 Eight: For good always triumphs over evil.
Panel 3: A boy with the features of a wolf is on the ground webbed up.
42 Mutt: Man, how come you always get to be Spider-man?
Panel 4: Eight jumps down to the ground near Mutt who is getting loose.
43 Eight: I'll give you eight guesses why.
44 Mutt: Who cares when your Spidey dialogue sucks.
Panel 5: Eight and Mutt face to face with Surfer in shadows behind them.
45 Eight: Does not.
46 Mutt: Does too. Spidey doesn't say corny stuff like that. That's more like...
Page 11
Panel 1: Mutt talking while Eight stares in awe behind him.
47 Eight:...the Silver Surfer???
48 Mutt: Yeah, somebody like...
Panel 2: Mutt and Eight staring up at the ledge above them staring at a glistening Silver Surfer.
49 Surfer: Hello young ones.
Page 12
Panel 1: Mutt is scared and Eight is excited.
50 Mutt: AHHHHHH
51 Eight: Relax Mutt, he's a good guy. I read all about him on the internt.
Panel 2: Eight turning to Silver Surfer
52 Eight: I read all about you on the internet.
Panel 3: Silver Surfer looking down at the two kids with a bit of a smile.
53 Surfer: I am glad you know I intend you know harm. It seems everyone on this planet normally assumes the worst when it comes to me.
Panel 4: Surfer walks down to the same ground level as the kid
54 Surfer: Though, I am somewhat curious how you two traversed the harsh weather conditions and mountains to get here.
Page 13
Panel 1: Looking down over Surfers shoulder we see Mutt and Eight.
55 Mutt: Well, if you haven't noticed, we're a little diffrent. We can take the cold and handle the mountains. We were playing outside and found this place.
56 Surfer: Are you mutants?
Panel 2: Looking at Surfer, Mutt, and Eight from the side.
57 Eight: No no no we're freaks.
58 Surfer: Freaks? I'm unfamiliar with the application of this term here on earth?
59 Eight: There was an accident in our hometown and we were some of the people changed by it. How did you find this place?
Panel 3: Surfer holding his arm out with his hands open palms facing up.
60 Surfer: My story is not that foreign from your own. There was a time I was trapped here on earth thanks to my former master Galactus. While exploring this world I stumbled upon the hidden ruins of these mountains. I return here from time to time to gather myself.
Panel 4: Looking over Mutt and Eight's shoulders to Surfer
61 Mutt You don't mind us being here do you?
Panel 5: Surfer looking down at the boys.
62 Surfer: No, I do not mind. I have no more claim to this place then you and I could use the company.
63 Mephisto: Really?
Page 14
Panel 1: See Mephisto posturing, from an upward angle, with his arms crossed from an upward angle.
64 Mephisto: How about the company of an old friend?
Page 15
Panel 1: Surfer with a look of intensity on his face while Mutt is pulling Eight away by his shirt.
65 Surfer: Children, you must leave now.
66 Eight: But we can help.
67 Surfer: No, you cannot, now hurry.
Panel 2: Mutt dragging Eight out of there with Surfer in the background heading towards Mephisto on his board.
68 Mutt: Stop being an asshole Eight and let's get out of here.
Panel 3: Surfer on going downward toward Mephisto
69 Surfer. DEMON
70 Surfer: I don't know why you've chosen to appear before me now but you will rue that decision.
Panel 4: Mephisto smurking.
71 Cap: One of the reason I take such intrest in the Surfer is I absolutely love how he reacts to me.
Panel 5 From behind Mephisto we see him looking up at Surfer soaring over head.
72 Cap Such unbridled hate from one so gentle. Knowing that the mere sight of me causes him such agita is almost vengeance enough. Almost.
73 Mephisto: Must you always act the fool with such hysterics? After all this time don't you know I only want to talk.
74 Surfer: Your words are more dangerous then the actions of most evil one.
Panel 5: The left side of Mephisto's face with Surfer hovering right above the ground.
75 Mephisto: True. But it is not the words alone.
Page 16
Panel 1: Mephisto with his hands in the air, as though he's casting a wicked spell, while Surfer looks on.
76 Mephisto: It's the guile behind them.
77 Mephisto: BEHOLD
78 Mephisto: A vision in my Stygian mists.
Panel 2: Outside in the Snow Mephisto's Souless Ones are grabbing the Eight and Mutt.
79 Mephisto: My newly resurrected Souless Ones have captured your young friends.
Panel 3: Surfer looking past the mist at Mephisto yelling at him.
80 Surfer: MEPHISTO.
81 Surfer: Hurt those children and I'll
81 Mephisto: Do not waste my time with with idle threats and I will not waste yours with mourning. They are merely to insure I have your attention.
Panel 3: Surfer slightly bowing his head submissively.
82 Surfer: What do you want Mephisto?
Panel: 4: Mephisto manifesting another image in his mist as Surfer watches.
83 Mephisto: For once, you and I want the same thing.
Page 17
Panel 1: Surfer and Mephisto looking into the mist to see an image of Morlun.
84 Surfer: Morlun!
85 Mephisto: I see you know of him? He has been givin the power to destroy you.
Panel 2: Surfer with his back to us and Mephisto facing us with both facing the other.
85 Surfer: Why are you telling me this?
86 Mephisto: Morlun is a small part of a much larger threat to Earth. One of my largest sources for souls to reap. It would hardly serve my best intrest for Earth to be destroyed.
86 Surfer: Deciever, I know there is far more to this then you present. What do you want in return for this information?
Panel 3 With a view from behind Surfers right side seeing Mephisto standing with his fist against his hips.
87 Mephisto: All I ask is that you stay here on earth until you are certain the threat has subsided. And perhaps there is more to this but...
Panel 4: Mephisto leaning into Surfers face with Surfer staring unflinchingly.
88 Mephisto: Are you really willing to take that chance.
Page 18
Panel 1: Outside the Souless ones release the children.
89 Mephisto: As a showing of good will I'll release your friends.
Panel 2: Mephisto vanishing.
90 Mephisto: I leave you with one promise Surfer, never has the earth needed you more.
Panel 3: Surfer with a pensive look.
Panel 4: Surfer flies outside while the children move away from the Souless ones.
91 Mutt: Let's get out of here.
Panel 5: Surfer comes to the childrens side to check on them.
92 Surfer: Are you okay?
93 Eight: Yeah.
Panel 6: Surfer with his arms around the boys as all three look to the souless ones.
94 Surfer: It will all be okay now.
Page 19
Panel 1: The Horned Souless one about to enter a portal while the other masked Souless one stares at Surfer.
95 Horned Souless one: Come brother. Mephisto beckons.
Panel 2: Close up of Masked Souless Ones face.
96 Masked Souless One: Be seeing you, Surfer.
Panel 3: Both Souless Ones disappear into the portal as Surfer and the boys watch on.
Panel 4: Eight looks up to Surfer.
97 Eight: What was that about?
98 Surfer: The continuation of a game between me and an old foe who seeks to torment me by keeping me here on Earth.
99 Cap: That's part of it, sure.
100 Surfer: But what he does not realize is that things are diffrent now.
Panel 5: Surfer transforms into a flesh and blood man.
101 Cap: Hmm, I didn't see that coming but I suppose it is not totally unexpected. Easily accomplished for the Surfer and his power cosmic. Intresting he hasn't done it earlier.
Page 20
Panel 1 Surfer in process of transforming back into his Silver form while kneeling in front of the children with his hands on their shoulders.
102 Surfer: Come, I will take you to your home.
103 Cap: I suppose it doesn't matter. I can take comfort in the knowledge I have that he doesn't.
Panel 2 Surfer flying away with the boys on his board.
104 Cap: For in these coming days the stars will need him more then ever and thanks to me he won't be there.
Page 21
Panel 1 The home world of the Grandmaster.
Panel 2 From behind the grandmaster we see the Elders of the Universe gathered.
105 Grandmaster: My fellow Elders. Thank you for attending this meeting. Each of us share a common bond of being the last of our respective races due to some cataclysm. Well I believe it is time for us to bring others into our fold which means...
Panel 3: Grandmaster leaning back with his fingertips touching with a cold stare.
106 Grandmaster: It is time for another cataclysm.
Panel 4: A battle being waged in the outer atmosphere of a planet.
Panel 5: Three sillouettes stand watching the battle outside on a screen.
107: Such destruction. It's tragic this had to happen.
108: Yes, tragic but necessary.
Page 22
Panel1: The three figures revealed as bald men all wearing Silver robes.
109: For all the Universe must know the way of Zenn-La.
I have no problem doing an about-face on any issue, but you do have to meet some sort of burden. Casting doubt through questionable assumptions isn't the same as proof.
That's too simplistic a description of the critique. These are hardly "assumptions" of error. They're pointing out that our knowledge of how much time has passed is too arbitrary to properly judge the amount of daughter cells that may or may not have been present in the isotopes to start with.
people say things in politics about their opponent that they later reverse on. if he were to pick her they would just say they sat down and worked out their differences and are commited to blah blah blah.
The point being that Clinton not only put down Obama, but she did it by boosting up McCain. And we're not talking an 8 year gap here either. We're talking about a few months ago.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
The point being that Clinton not only put down Obama, but she did it by boosting up McCain. And we're not talking an 8 year gap here either. We're talking about a few months ago.
Maybe she thinks that if she gets McCain elected that she'll have A shot in the '12 elections. The alternative for her is a possible 8 year wait behind Obama.
